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hiroshimacarp
July 24, 2023 at 07:46:58 PM
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some of the biggest losers in all this are the fans and the race tracks.  two months ago the posse seemed as tough, talented, and deep as ever.  with marks taking a break...the top 3 teams are on the shelf.  the 48 has been struggling lately too.  freddie has just been sitting around watching the world burn while he racks up wins on the porch.  

any thoughts on what's going on here?  is there something tying it all together?  i wonder if the push to leave the porch has been some of the undoing.  i also think some of these teams might have had too much success too fast.  drivers and car owners alike might have gotten spoiled.  pulling the plug on lance for not even 1 "bad" full season seems crazy to me.  either there's more to the story or the car owners are spoiled and have expectations that are set way too high.

it seems even winning isn't good enough anymore.  you have to win damn near every week. 

the tracks are losers because what reason do i have to go see a weekly show right now?  it was bad enough when the top teams were racing far away from pa.  now they don't even exist.  young drivers haven't been given much of a chance to develop lately since there's pressure to win immediately.  that's left the cupboard a bit bare when it comes to prospects...or at least they're not getting a fair shot to prove what they can do.  

throw in logan wagner running a limited schedule and i'm struggling to find teams outside the 8 and 48 that are worth watching.  

it may turn out at the 2020-2021 stretch was a peak.  larson seems to be cutting back his scheduling...probably because he wants to make his brand more exclusive to his high limit racing.  good for his business.  bad for sprint car racing in general.  the days of watching a powerful posse take on larson and the outlaws seem to be gone.



Parnelli1970
July 24, 2023 at 08:38:02 PM
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Posted By: hiroshimacarp on July 24 2023 at 07:46:58 PM

some of the biggest losers in all this are the fans and the race tracks.  two months ago the posse seemed as tough, talented, and deep as ever.  with marks taking a break...the top 3 teams are on the shelf.  the 48 has been struggling lately too.  freddie has just been sitting around watching the world burn while he racks up wins on the porch.  

any thoughts on what's going on here?  is there something tying it all together?  i wonder if the push to leave the porch has been some of the undoing.  i also think some of these teams might have had too much success too fast.  drivers and car owners alike might have gotten spoiled.  pulling the plug on lance for not even 1 "bad" full season seems crazy to me.  either there's more to the story or the car owners are spoiled and have expectations that are set way too high.

it seems even winning isn't good enough anymore.  you have to win damn near every week. 

the tracks are losers because what reason do i have to go see a weekly show right now?  it was bad enough when the top teams were racing far away from pa.  now they don't even exist.  young drivers haven't been given much of a chance to develop lately since there's pressure to win immediately.  that's left the cupboard a bit bare when it comes to prospects...or at least they're not getting a fair shot to prove what they can do.  

throw in logan wagner running a limited schedule and i'm struggling to find teams outside the 8 and 48 that are worth watching.  

it may turn out at the 2020-2021 stretch was a peak.  larson seems to be cutting back his scheduling...probably because he wants to make his brand more exclusive to his high limit racing.  good for his business.  bad for sprint car racing in general.  the days of watching a powerful posse take on larson and the outlaws seem to be gone.



All this doomsday talk has been said before it's like people think Sprint car racing is dead in Pa because their not beating the outlaws. Calm down enjoy the sport there's good teams drivers here. The Stehman and Shuttleworth team is doing well with Borden. This stuff is reciprocal I don't hear any other area saying this.



Mephit71
July 24, 2023 at 09:26:30 PM
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Posted By: Parnelli1970 on July 24 2023 at 08:38:02 PM

All this doomsday talk has been said before it's like people think Sprint car racing is dead in Pa because their not beating the outlaws. Calm down enjoy the sport there's good teams drivers here. The Stehman and Shuttleworth team is doing well with Borden. This stuff is reciprocal I don't hear any other area saying this.



Likely because CA keeps cranking out top-tier talent after top-tier talent, whereas all the money and the talent has dried up in PA.

 

It isn't like the late 2000s-early 2010s where you had 10-15 high quality teams lining up every show in PA




Parnelli1970
July 24, 2023 at 09:33:21 PM
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Posted By: Mephit71 on July 24 2023 at 09:26:30 PM

Likely because CA keeps cranking out top-tier talent after top-tier talent, whereas all the money and the talent has dried up in PA.

 

It isn't like the late 2000s-early 2010s where you had 10-15 high quality teams lining up every show in PA



Or like last year when Marks won the most money or Marci the most races and "over the hill" Dewease winning the Natty open or even a Pa outlaw team winning the million yeah you guys are killing it.



kossuth
July 24, 2023 at 10:01:53 PM
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Posted By: IADIRT on July 23 2023 at 10:39:23 AM

From his twitter this morning - "As of this morning, I've been relieved of my position with the 69K.  Thank you to Donald, Davey, the Team & Sponsors for the time I spent behind the wheel.  I'm not done yet..."

 

What is going on in PA?



My take on the whole thing. It just makes me sad. Remember a number of years ago when the 30 car was closing up and Lance was pretty much done.  He's too old to be competitive again. 

Then you have Donnie with his concussion deal where he was forced to hang it up. Not sure of what the future would bring for his team. They were great for each other. Don has always come across in his interviews as a pessimistic person. So I understand them being upset about the results. On the flip side Lance did alot to better that team. I wish Donnie would have gone about it differently but thats life and it wasn't my choice to make. Just sucks. 



Parnelli1970
July 24, 2023 at 10:20:28 PM
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Posted By: kossuth on July 24 2023 at 10:01:53 PM

My take on the whole thing. It just makes me sad. Remember a number of years ago when the 30 car was closing up and Lance was pretty much done.  He's too old to be competitive again. 

Then you have Donnie with his concussion deal where he was forced to hang it up. Not sure of what the future would bring for his team. They were great for each other. Don has always come across in his interviews as a pessimistic person. So I understand them being upset about the results. On the flip side Lance did alot to better that team. I wish Donnie would have gone about it differently but thats life and it wasn't my choice to make. Just sucks. 



Both parties are not done yet there's still a lot of racing to be done in Pa yet. No reason to think otherwise.




alum.427
July 25, 2023 at 04:54:12 AM
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If you think a change in tire compounds don't mean much, go ask the guys that ran goodyears  back in the day. When they pulled out there was guys on the outlaw tour that never got that feeling back. Most of it is in the sidewall construction, the more the sidewall flexes the better the feel. Stiffening the sidewall made old setups useless, made the tire slide across the surface and gave guys a really lose feel. 



Late model 55
July 25, 2023 at 06:43:35 AM
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Posted By: singlefile on July 23 2023 at 11:28:29 AM

Sure sounds like some stuff went down at the Grove last night over T-shirt space, then continued on Facebook with Heather Dietrich and Linda Kreitz clashing and Renne Dewease then replying this morning that she was not at all involved in the confrontation.



Heather should have knocked her on her a$s.   Kreitz old lady is a snobby &itch anyway just like Donny. They'll keep the gear changer that's married and talks to every female on the internet over a HOF driver.   Maybe it's a 4some thing who knows.  



IADIRT
July 25, 2023 at 08:12:54 AM
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Posted By: Late model 55 on July 25 2023 at 06:43:35 AM

Heather should have knocked her on her a$s.   Kreitz old lady is a snobby &itch anyway just like Donny. They'll keep the gear changer that's married and talks to every female on the internet over a HOF driver.   Maybe it's a 4some thing who knows.  



Can someone give me the cliff notes on what this T shirt trailer stuff is really all about? Space? Like preferred set up location or what in the world are we bickering over.




sonoranrat
July 25, 2023 at 08:23:15 AM
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Posted By: IADIRT on July 23 2023 at 09:30:59 PM

More stunning news rocked the Central Pennsylvania Sprint Car landscape Sunday morning, as the PA Posse Dream Team of Lance Dewease and car owner Don Kreitz Jr. announced they’ve parted ways.

The split between the National Sprint Car Hall of Famers is Kreitz’s decision — “This is not Lance’s fault. This is on me,” the owner of the No. 69K told FloRacing — and a separation that comes down to the team struggling to progress with Hoosier’s new rear tires that debuted in March.

“We could not get the feel he was looking for in the cars,” Kreitz said. “We have struggled a little bit with the new tires compared to the old tires we had with our setups. We couldn’t figure it out and get comfortable. It didn’t seem like it was getting any better. I didn’t know what to do. It’s been awhile. I’m sure Lance isn’t that happy with me, but in a few weeks from now, or a month from now, he’ll probably thank me. He’ll end up getting in a good car.

“It wasn’t working for us anymore,” Kreitz added. “I thought it was better while it was still friendly and everything. I thought it was the right time to do it.”

Dewease and Kreitz tallied 71 wins in nearly 300 races in their highly successful partnership that began in 2016. They finished 13th and 19th in their final races together on Friday and Saturday at Williams Grove Speedway in Mechanicsburg, Pa., with the World of Outlaws NOS Energy Drink Sprint Car Series.

The 57-year-old driver of Fayetteville, Pa., “was pretty caught off guard” when Kreitz relieved him of his driving duties on Sunday morning.

“He called me this morning and basically thought we should go our different ways,” Dewease said. He thanked me and I’m assuming they must not be happy with my performance. That’s their right. That’s their prerogative to do that as an owner. And we’ll move on.”

Kreitz and Dewease are both far from hanging up their endeavors. Dewease is actively pursuing his next opportunity, which could come as soon as this Saturday’s Dream race and twin $25-lap, $10,000-to-win features at Port Royal (Pa.) Speedway with an undisclosed team.

“We’re working on some things right now to try and get a car, find something for me to race next Saturday in the Dream race at Port Royal,” Dewease said. “It’s all happening quick. It’s a matter of what we can figured out and worked out. I have some pretty good backers as far as friends who back me. That helps. It’s going to be interesting. We’re talking to some people to see what we can work out.”

Dewease recently climbed aboard the No. 39M Macri Motorsports ride for the Eldora Million and Kings Royal at Eldora Speedway. Macri Motorsports recently announced that California native Justin Sanders would be driving the car for upcoming events.

As for Kreitz and the No. 69K team, he’ll field applicants these next two to three days with hopes to reveal his next driver — or drivers by committee, “depending on what’s best for the team” — by Wednesday evening.

“We’ll see who contacts us and make the best decision we can,” Kreitz said. “Whoever contacts us, contacts us. If somebody is interested in driving the car, they’re not going to wait two weeks to contact us. We’re going to have to pick from whoever we have to pick from. … I’m looking for whoever is going to be the best for the team.

“Honestly, we don’t have any boundaries. … It could be a younger guy, but naturally, it’s probably going to be a seasoned driver because we’re not going to start totally all the way over with someone who hasn’t been racing,” Kreitz added. “It has to be somebody here toward the end of the year that’s capable of getting the job done off the bat.”

Dewease is thankful for his time with Kreitz. When the two converged with legendary crew chief Davey Brown seven years ago, Dewease was at one of the lowest points in his career, having won only a single WoO feature from 2011 through ’15.

With Kreitz, he won nine WoO features, including the 2018 and ’22 Williams Grove National Open.

“We had a very good seven years,” Dewease said. “This year hasn’t been as good up to our standards, but we still managed to win (the $29,000 Weikert Memorial) at Port Royal and two at the Grove. Our level and standards are a little different than most. They felt that I wasn’t the one to keep it there.

“We won our fair share every year,” he added. “This year, nothing has changed except for tires. That seemed to hurt us. That seemed to hurt us maybe more than other people. Other people, it seemed to help. There are other cars it hurt. We couldn’t get the handle of it of how I like it or what they like to do. That’s a part of it and part of racing.”

Dewease is keeping virtually all his options open at the moment. In a perfect world, he’d love a 35- to 40-race deal built around bigger events in Central PA with the leeway to travel some around the country.

But “that’s the perfect world we don’t live in,” said Dewease, who truly doesn’t know what his future holds other than this isn’t the end of his prolific Sprint Car career.

“We don’t live in a perfect world. If I find a deal (where) I have to race a little more, that’s what I have to do,” Dewease said. “I could race more with what we do, easily. But rides are hard to come by. They aren’t the easiest thing to get. I’m not looking to go out on the road either. Local rides are very hard. We’ll have to see what comes available, or is available, and go from there.

“There’s a few people that reached out to me that are trying hard to put something together,” he added. “We’ll see. It’s going to be hard. It’s short notice. I’m a realist. It’s going to be hard for me to show up and win in anything.”

In the final analysis, Kreitz thought 27 races this season with he and Dewease is enough to realize the duo’s trajectory no longer trends upward. It’ll go down as one of auto racing’s iconic pairings that ran its dominant course.

“Unfortunately this stuff happens. Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus (split). Jeff Gordon and Ray Evernham (split),” Kreitz said. “Not that Lance has done anything wrong. … He’s been really good for the team. He’s helped build the team up. I wasn’t seeing stuff where I thought we were going in a positive direction.

“Again, that’s on me. I’ll take the blame for that. It’s all about people and how you mesh. We did have magic in the beginning. … I just felt it was time for a change.”

 

Article from Flo. Good read.



Dignified classy responses from both gentlemen.  



revjimk
July 25, 2023 at 10:03:31 AM
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With the 39, 69, & 1A all losing drivers, interesting game of musical chairs coming up?

I would be happy to see the top drivers going to other top teams... Lance to the 39 or 1A? Macri to 69 or 1A?

Jealousy for  Jacob Allen? Maybe he felt he deserved a cut of the million?

Right now, a bummer for Posse & fans... who knows whats gonna happen?



revjimk
July 25, 2023 at 10:05:20 AM
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Posted By: WingedSpeed on July 24 2023 at 02:29:45 PM

Yes and I am permitted to like and dislike whom ever I wish!!  There has only ever been a couple that I have disliked in 40 plus years as a fan of sprint car racing.



Of course you can hate anybody you want... but why hate a sprint car driver? Its supposed to be FUN!!!




revjimk
July 25, 2023 at 10:08:39 AM
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Posted By: hiroshimacarp on July 24 2023 at 07:46:58 PM

some of the biggest losers in all this are the fans and the race tracks.  two months ago the posse seemed as tough, talented, and deep as ever.  with marks taking a break...the top 3 teams are on the shelf.  the 48 has been struggling lately too.  freddie has just been sitting around watching the world burn while he racks up wins on the porch.  

any thoughts on what's going on here?  is there something tying it all together?  i wonder if the push to leave the porch has been some of the undoing.  i also think some of these teams might have had too much success too fast.  drivers and car owners alike might have gotten spoiled.  pulling the plug on lance for not even 1 "bad" full season seems crazy to me.  either there's more to the story or the car owners are spoiled and have expectations that are set way too high.

it seems even winning isn't good enough anymore.  you have to win damn near every week. 

the tracks are losers because what reason do i have to go see a weekly show right now?  it was bad enough when the top teams were racing far away from pa.  now they don't even exist.  young drivers haven't been given much of a chance to develop lately since there's pressure to win immediately.  that's left the cupboard a bit bare when it comes to prospects...or at least they're not getting a fair shot to prove what they can do.  

throw in logan wagner running a limited schedule and i'm struggling to find teams outside the 8 and 48 that are worth watching.  

it may turn out at the 2020-2021 stretch was a peak.  larson seems to be cutting back his scheduling...probably because he wants to make his brand more exclusive to his high limit racing.  good for his business.  bad for sprint car racing in general.  the days of watching a powerful posse take on larson and the outlaws seem to be gone.



Yea, Posse was riding high last couple of years, down at the moment

Only team with a good chance of beating the Outlaws now is Marks

We'll see....



longtimefan
July 25, 2023 at 10:32:20 AM
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Yea, Posse was riding high last couple of years, down at the moment

Only team with a good chance of beating the Outlaws now is Marks

We'll see....



It"ll be alright. Nothing stays the same forever.



Sonicman1
July 25, 2023 at 11:18:53 AM
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Expensive sport. Sure, we now have races paying a ton, but those are only going to go to one of about 5 guys. Everyone says pay back the field, which I think is happening more so now, but it sill has to be a sick feeling going to compete and knowing you're racing for a top 10 most nights and not a podium. The top programs have all the money and edge. Imagine driving a car and having the fear or wrecking something hanging over you. You cant cut loose like that. This is also a reason you see so much sucess in the youth that drive for others. They have no fear already, but then put them in something they dont own or have much skin, if any, in the game, and its a recipe for sucess many times.  Doug Wolfgang used to famously say, "Want to have a million dollars in racing....start with 2"




BStrawser26
July 25, 2023 at 02:14:48 PM
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Posted By: WingedSpeed on July 24 2023 at 02:42:36 PM

How about Kauffman the only driver to have (4) track championships in one year!

Port Royal, Williams Grove, Susquehanna & Hagerstown.

18 total track championships!  How many more if not on the road for 10 years!



What is Kauffman's record in the biggest race of the year?  The National Open at the Grove? ....or the second biggest the Tusky.  How do they compare?  You will have some kind of excuse.  

1. Dewease best in central pa.  Record speaks for itself in big races.

2. Rahmer great career just not as good as DeWease.

3. Kauffman another great career but not as good as the other two mentioned.


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

WingedSpeed
July 25, 2023 at 02:46:48 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on July 25 2023 at 02:14:48 PM

What is Kauffman's record in the biggest race of the year?  The National Open at the Grove? ....or the second biggest the Tusky.  How do they compare?  You will have some kind of excuse.  

1. Dewease best in central pa.  Record speaks for itself in big races.

2. Rahmer great career just not as good as DeWease.

3. Kauffman another great career but not as good as the other two mentioned.



I have not been talking about overall wins.  Was only speaking all time wins at Port Royal  Still how many more wins and championships locally would he have if not on the road for 10 years!  Probably 150+ at Port Royal.  I commend him greatly for leaving the porch for those 10 years!



BStrawser26
July 25, 2023 at 02:49:36 PM
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Posted By: WingedSpeed on July 25 2023 at 02:46:48 PM

I have not been talking about overall wins.  Was only speaking all time wins at Port Royal  Still how many more wins and championships locally would he have if not on the road for 10 years!  Probably 150+ at Port Royal.  I commend him greatly for leaving the porch for those 10 years!



Same can be said about DeWease.  He has missed a ton of races.  Your logic is flawed.

Was it Kauffman's choice to leave the area?  Or was there not any open rides in central pa that he wanted to drive for.


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!


Johnny Utah
July 25, 2023 at 04:20:37 PM
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Which one is Norton? Which one is Pitt?

Rule one of Project Hoseheads is you do not talk about Project Hoseheads.



butcher69
July 25, 2023 at 06:06:15 PM
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Oh man....this thread will light up tomorrow. Go 69K!  Smile





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