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hardon
January 24, 2024 at 10:27:25 PM
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Posted By: StanM on January 24 2024 at 11:07:44 AM

Whenever I attend a race I look at distance, how much gas will I have to buy and will I need a motel.  Never once have I gave a flyin' leap and rolling donut what the purse was.  Dare to be different...always look out for #1 first.  wink



Thank you, I've never understood why fans care so much about the purse.  The only thing higher purses have done for the fans is drive up the ticket price.  It has no bearing on if it's a good race or not.



YungWun24
January 25, 2024 at 08:40:24 AM
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I don't necessarily care about the purse b/c I don't see any of that going into my pocket, but I know it may attract more drivers. One thing you constantly hear around Knoxville and PA, is the great weekly purse. 

At least for Knoxville, you add track time for the Nationals and a good purse I think it attracts drivers. 

There are numerous factors that go into "invaders" dropping in at Knoxville for a weekly show, or a driver that may be in between shows, and will stop by Saturday night for a decent check. 

IMO the top racetrack should be paying one fo the top purses for all of their weekly and special races. 


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revjimk
January 25, 2024 at 09:59:19 AM
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Posted By: hardon on January 24 2024 at 10:27:25 PM

Thank you, I've never understood why fans care so much about the purse.  The only thing higher purses have done for the fans is drive up the ticket price.  It has no bearing on if it's a good race or not.



See my previous comment: Bigger $$ attracts more & better teams & drivers.... better show




BStrawser26
January 25, 2024 at 02:18:33 PM
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Posted By: alum.427 on January 24 2024 at 07:01:14 PM

The motors are the only thing seperating the 3 classes. 410, 70k. 360, 45k. 305, 26k. So if that guy in the 305 ends up 10th but gets crossed up after the checkered flag and tears a car up he doesn't tell suppliers his pile of junk can't cost as much as the guys running 410's. Wrong

Promotors benefit greatly because of the back gate 360 and 305 classes bring in but yet they get stoned when the nights over and they head for the pay window. 

Straw move to Iowa, hopefully you won't have internet



Nope staying in central PA.


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YungWun24
January 25, 2024 at 04:35:38 PM
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The link didn't work. Knoxville increases their weekly payout for 360s as well. 


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armyduke
January 25, 2024 at 04:52:27 PM
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Posted By: YungWun24 on January 25 2024 at 04:35:38 PM

The link didn't work. Knoxville increases their weekly payout for 360s as well. 



May be an image of text that says '360 PURSE INCREASE RNOXVILLE racewอy Sprint Car Capital he World! 2023 1-$2,000 2-$1,600 3-$1,200 4-$1,100 5-$1,000 6-$900 7-$800 8-$700 $600 10-$550 -$525 12 $500 13 $475 14 $400 15-$375 16 $350 17 $325 18 $325 9-$325 $325 21 $325 22-$325 23 -$325 24 $325 TOTAL: $15,675 2024 1-$2,000 2-$1,600 3-$1,400 4-$1,200 5-$1,000 6-$900 7-$800 -$700 9-$675 10-$650 11-$625 12-$600 13-$575 14 -$550 15-$525 16-$500 17 $475 18-$450 19-$425 20-$400 21-$350 22-$350 23-$350 24 $350 TOTAL: $17,450 2024 WILL SEE AN INCREASE OF $1,775 To THE KNOXVILLE CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES 360 MAIN EVENT PURSE. SEASON OPENER APRIL 20 KNOXVILLERACEWAY.COM'




Murphy
January 25, 2024 at 05:51:58 PM
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It just opens up to a lot of questions and gray areas about where do you draw the lines. In no particular order, and certainly with no coherence of thought:

*Did Reitzel win because of talent or funding?
*Could one of the faster 360 drivers have done as well in the same car?
*Suppose a 410 racer who doesn't run up font races both classes?
*Should any 360 racer that does super good- maybe not 7 for 11 good- be forced to move up to 410s?
*What about older 410 racers who are slowing down in their careers? Should TMac and Sammy be allowed to race 360s?
*At some point, doesn't it just seem like you'd be trying to keep the *good* racers from racing against the others?
*Would it be penalizing a driver &/or car owner who has the resources and desire to run 2 classes?
*In the end, does it really make sense to have 3 classes of any type of race car on the same weekly program?
* At the local race track when I was a kid, they had sprint cars, hobby stocks and super stocks. If a racer won the hobby stock points championship more than once, he had to move up to super stocks. That thought process made sense.
*Whether we want to admit it or not, maybe the sprint car world should be something like that? An entry level class for hobby & weekend racers and a higher class for the guys looking to move up?
*Somewhat related- it seems like I see advertizing that suggests that some tracks have 2-3 different levels of stock cars and 2-3 different levels of modifieds. Why bother? I lived in Wyoming for a while. The local track had 6 classes of cars, each with about 4-6 cars each. Not good.
*What would the Knoxville field look like if they only had 410's and 305's, but poured the 360 purse money into those two classes?

So, where am I going with this? All over the damn place I guess. Smile



Shortie12
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January 25, 2024 at 10:04:03 PM
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Two of the largest races dont have big purses.IMCA Nationals in Boone around 1K cars and Chili Bowl 350+ cars and over 1200 in the Micro Shoot out. They did raise purse to $20K to win Sat night but all the racers statedThe Driller  was more important.but all the micros were $1K plus a coveted Golden Driller.So its not about money to some. Just making the A at the Nationals or Chili Bowl is special.In all reality the racers and owners them selves are partly to blame for the high engine costs and it wont change. There been groups that tried to control costs by spec heads but failed. Harder tires and smaller wings were also tried but $ seem to win out. You cant stop people with money  from spending and it wont change.Many years ago[over50] many top teams bought 327 Corvette engines right from local dealers put mag,cam.heads and injector and competed well and if motor broke sometimes they got another one



singlefile
January 25, 2024 at 10:32:46 PM
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Posted By: Sprinter27R on January 23 2024 at 09:19:09 PM

You can't tell a driver that he can't pull double duty if he wants to field a 360 as well as a 410 and you can't tell a car owner that wants to put a 410 driver in his 360 car he can't. That's the car owners business and perogative. It happens at all tracks that run both 360's and 410's it's just part of racing.



Why not? Other tracks have adopted a rule in the past that a driver can only run in one division a night. Seems very easy.




Murphy
January 25, 2024 at 10:59:26 PM
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Posted By: singlefile on January 25 2024 at 10:32:46 PM

Why not? Other tracks have adopted a rule in the past that a driver can only run in one division a night. Seems very easy.



I'm curious what other tracks run both 360 and 410 sprints?



hardon
January 25, 2024 at 11:31:06 PM
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Posted By: revjimk on January 25 2024 at 09:59:19 AM

See my previous comment: Bigger $$ attracts more & better teams & drivers.... better show



Does that really make for a better show?  Some of the best sprint car races I've seen, they were racing for $500 to win.  Also Do you think a show is automatically better if they are racing for $1,000,000 vs. $50,000?  Wouldn't the same people be there?



3togo
January 26, 2024 at 06:52:56 AM
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Posted By: singlefile on January 25 2024 at 10:32:46 PM

Why not? Other tracks have adopted a rule in the past that a driver can only run in one division a night. Seems very easy.



Actually seems really stupid!




StanM
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January 26, 2024 at 09:01:50 AM
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Posted By: YungWun24 on January 24 2024 at 09:44:07 AM

Ford, I see your point. From a fans perspective, I want to see more 410 drivers running both, however from an owners pespective and other racers I can see the frustration. 

What about this... any 410 driver that runs in the 360 class can't start in the top half of the field? Let them run as many360 races as they want, but start in the 11-24 range. 

 



Do people actually pay attention to these details?  Beautiful night, cold beer, good food, plenty of cars in all divisions' who even looks beyond that?  wink


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FatAlbert14
January 26, 2024 at 10:02:25 AM
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Posted By: hardon on January 24 2024 at 10:27:25 PM

Thank you, I've never understood why fans care so much about the purse.  The only thing higher purses have done for the fans is drive up the ticket price.  It has no bearing on if it's a good race or not.



I guess Im not understanding your logic here?? I have been attending Knoxville since th early 70s and I am pretty sure the last increase they had on ticket prices was back in 2008 or 2009 which was raised to $15 per person. Knoxville has had numerous increases to the purse and left the ticket prices alone for the weekly shows.



YungWun24
January 26, 2024 at 10:49:53 AM
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Posted By: hardon on January 25 2024 at 11:31:06 PM

Does that really make for a better show?  Some of the best sprint car races I've seen, they were racing for $500 to win.  Also Do you think a show is automatically better if they are racing for $1,000,000 vs. $50,000?  Wouldn't the same people be there?



I would say yes.

We can all agree that most of the top drivers are running the best paying series, and the running the highest paying races? 

Not saying a good race can't happen, which obviously it can, but the whole premise of what attracts bigger crowds to "special shows" b/c they know either better drivers will be there, or a greater quantity of better drivers will be there. 

 


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revjimk
January 26, 2024 at 11:05:25 AM
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Posted By: hardon on January 25 2024 at 11:31:06 PM

Does that really make for a better show?  Some of the best sprint car races I've seen, they were racing for $500 to win.  Also Do you think a show is automatically better if they are racing for $1,000,000 vs. $50,000?  Wouldn't the same people be there?



"Wouldn't the same people be there?".... no, thats my whole point. Bigger $$ attracts more & better teams

Of course any race might be more competitive than another race

Sometimes the most competitive race is in a support class



revjimk
January 26, 2024 at 11:11:45 AM
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Let J. Geils explain it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rrlm01OIZ4





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