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I SAID HE WILL HAVE NO 410 NSL SHOWS UNLESS THEY WOULDRU IT ON A SUNDAY NIGHT. HIS BIG MOUTH IS STARTING TO SHOW UP ALL READY, HE THOUGHT JUST BE CAUSE HE WAS BIG BAD CHUCK THAT KNOXVILLE AND NSL AND JACKSON WERE GOING TO RO; OVER FOR HIM. I THINK THAT THE DATES SHOWN SO FAR ARE IN FAVOR OF THE GOOD GUYS. ALSO DI U SEE THAT KNOXILLE IS HAVING A 2 DAY SHOW JULY 2 AND 3 THE SAME DATES HE SAYS THE OUTLAWSW ARE GOING TO BE IN BRAMDON, THE OUTLAWS ARE NOT STUPID TO RUN A 2 NIGHT SHOW AT BRANDON KNOWING THAT THE TOP GUYS FROM KNOXVILLE AND THE CARS FROM UP HERE THAT RUN KNOXVILLE WILL GIVE THAT UP. SO I DO NOT SEE A 2 DAY SHOW A HUUESTS FOLKS NOT 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND THAT IS FOR SURE.

Anyone that thinks this is a great idea is an Idoit....It's a slap in the face to all the knoxville regulars..there where 16 drivers that raced knoxville that didnt make every NSL race....

SO guess what Justin Henderson wins a weekly race at Knoxville and he will get $3000 Danny Lasoski finishes 3rd and gets $3200 bucks. Nothing like pissing off the locals that have supported your track for years.

Same goes to the drivers at Jackson, why would anyone want to tow from Sioux Falls or Knoxville to race for less money...

Then agian if you showed up to and Outlaw Race or All Star race and won you would like to get paid less just becuase your not an Outlaw or All Star...

Oh and if you miss the 1st race of the year...your not racing for any money all year..

I was wondering if anybody else thought this was b.s.. Make the point fund extra heavy for 100%ers. Two payouts for the same race just isn't right. Why would anybody just drop in knowing they are racing for less than the majority of the field? Someone needs to rethink this in a hurry.

Good job Knoxville & NSL !!!!

Agree with you 100%, how does this appeal to the local guy that can't travel? Less pay for the outsider if the outsider wins? Screw that, makes no sense to me. $3,000 is still a nice pay day but maybe this decision will keep some outsiders away. Also, the fact that suddenly most of the NSL races are at Jackson and Knoxville? Someone else said rename Knoxville NSL Raceway. What they forgot was NSL Raceway Presented by gomuddy.com.

I thought they had a great 1st year, but I'm not buying all of this new news.

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Who is running Knoxville these days? Who there agreed to this deal?

Well whose going to be the guy that gives up the 100% participation and higher payouts to take home $100,000 in silver. Didn't Chuck say if only one guy shows up he gets all the loot.

Or you could look at it as the same purse as last year with the full time NSL teams getting some point money every race rather than a bigger check at the end of the year.  

Looks like only four guys ran every race in 2015. Does seem a bit unfair to the locals now that it is mostly a local series. So I wonder how 100% bonus is going to work. do you get the extra at the end of the year or get it every race until you miss one. Any provision if you race a two day show and tear your car up and cant race the next night even though you planned on it?

Yea makes great sense for the locals, and ousiders!! When's the last time someone won an outlaw show but didn't get the full payout because they weren't and outlaw? I'm sure Tod would bring his cars to Husets next year if he got paid less because they didn't race their full time. 

Wow, not sure the about the 2 different purse structures. I thought this NSL deal was to promote 410's throughout the region not just Knoxville and Jackson. I don't understand the whole 360 deal either. I guess its TQ's money and he can do whatever he wants, but it seems promoting the 410's has changed.

It does appear as if this interesting decision by the NSL is being done to try and damage anyone who does not play by the NSL rules.  It is more interesting that a series like the All Stars, MOWA, IRA and others appear to be promoting a strong regional series working with multiple tracks instead of a 2 trick pony.  It is too bad as the NSL appeared to start out with a great concept that has gone astray very quickly.

I feel most sorry for the BWW 82, Lunstra 3, Dobmeier and others that want to race at Husets for some pretty outstanding purses.  The fact that those guys will most likely run Jackson, and in winning the race will take home less than the drivers they beat.  Although to be honest, by the end of the season it is realistic to think there will only be about 4-6 teams running for the "NSL" purse and a whole lot of other guys running for a lessor purse. 

The real question is if this model is sustainable?  That means a lot of butts in the seats at Jackson, on a Firday night, 70 miles from any real population base in Mankato and 110 from Sioux Falls at a $25 minimum ticket.  It most likely is unsustainable and will either fold or see dramatic purse reductions within 3 years. I just hope Jackson will be hosting sprints in any form by 2020 so that I can take my little guy to the place I went to my first race.

I don't think it's a terrible thing to have an incentive for guys to run 100% of the series for the extra purse money.  I think the NSL realized that they only had 4 drivers actually competing for the series championship and that's pretty pathetic - although it was just their 1st year.  They have to find a way to get more guys running for the championship because 4 just doesn't cut it, so throwing this incentive in is possibly a way they could do that.  Of course, it could irritiate those local drivers - but in the end the purse isn't changing for them, they are racing for the same local purse they are accustomed to.

As far as the BWW, Lunstra, & Dobmeier - I do agree that this makes their decision much more difficult. I think much more so for the BWW and Lunstra, especially since Lunstra is based out of Sioux Falls.  I think Dobmeier will race Badlands - only a 6 hour drive and $5000 to the winner.  He has the most victories at that track in the last 10 years so I highly doubt he would tow down to Jackson and Knoxville every weekend, and he struggles a bit on 1/2 milers.  There's no way he's giving up running at River Cities on Friday nights and a good chance for $5000 at Badlands the next night - but ya never know, I could be wrong.

It certainly will be interesting to see how this thing all plays out.

This whole thing doesnt seem right to me. I go to Knoxville every week and honestly, there isn't a big difference between a NSL show and a regular show. Maybe a couple cars. Very few guys are going to make the entire schedule. Puts alot of guys at a disadvantage. Kaeding, Dobmier that could race closer to home and save travel expenses are now being forced to come to Knoxville or race for less. Brown had to miss races because of sponsor commitments, which are pretty damn important in this economy. Sounds like the only person that it will really benefit is Lasoski cuz we know he has to be there. And what is Knoxville thinking with agreeing to this. Tod always said he would not schedule againest Knoxville. Most of these guys are going to be at Knoxville anyway but now Knoxville is giving up more money to Tod because it is a NSL show. Great business move by Tod cuz he is going to be making even more money (pretty good business man) but how is nobody seeing this as a kick in the nuts to Knoxville and the vast majority of the drivers. 

I thought what the NSL did last year was great but I am not a big fan of the changes. Tod has alot of money and alot of passion for the sport which I appreciate but now it seems he wants to just take over the racing world in the midwest. 

Seems to be you can reward your drivers through a point fund and tow money, like all the other series do.

I can't imagine the hate that would be spewed if the WoO came up with the following:

All WoO drivers will race for $10k to win next year, All non-WoO drivers will race for $5k to win.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to publicize this. I would think this might drive guys on the fence to South Dakota.

I guess my question is NSL still going to offer tow money or is this increased purse for 100% replacing tow money? People complaining about 100% guys making more than an outsider if you include tow money it was that way this year, no difference, it just wasn't put out for everyone to see.

Obviously the first year the NSL stuck to the 75% rule but what they found out quickly is guys will run enough to get to 75% and still can hit other shows which leaves the NSL to low car counts at a few far reaching shows. Now they are going make guys commit to 100% to get the perks, which is simular to the Woo. I would really think a few full time racers will be looking towards NSL in 2016.

The tow money was paid to the top 15 in points at that individual race(not certain if this included the Knoxville shows).  So for the races that had 15 cars, every guy got the $300.  This isn't like the Outlaws where you have to be a card carrying member.  It was an awesome benefit to a guy who was sitting 17th in points, but showed up and got paid the $300 when guys above him didn't come race.

I think the other thing is the point fund.  Is this gone?  Lot's of unanswered questions.

I must of missed the release that said NSL was only running two tracks. 

Keep It Real

It sounds like the main point of this thread is lost on most of you. The payout at Knoxville is the same as it was before so the locals are running for the same $$ as they were before, not less. Besides the end of the year point fund, the other incentive to join and run with the NSL all season is a better payout no matter where they run. As far as only running at Knoxville during their regular scheduled races, you cannot schedule a race on a Saturday during the summer and make it work unless you are at Knoxville. Jackson on Friday's makes sense too if you plan on running 410's weekly. What better way to make sure you have a quality 410 show every week then have them be NSL points races? There is still plenty of time before and after the Jackson/Knoxville season to travel back to the tracks that they went to this season.