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August 19, 2010 at
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Posted By: lake_carl on August 19 2010 at 08:16:12 PM
thefansfan,
please do some research and provide some facts to these more than normal tire issues, take an event or track and research four or five years and see if it is actually more, i did just the A main of the knox nats back to 05 and this year, the 50 lap race did not have more than double the failures even though the race was much longer
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Uhh ohhh! He may be on to something! 
Somebody provide some statistical fact to their argument. "Fact by observation" doesn't cut it; everyone (obviously by reading all the threads in this forum) see things a little different. Fact by "what teams are saying" doesn't cut it; this is a message board and many report things they overheard in the pits and pawn it off as the entire race team's opnion. Besides, fact can not be defined as somebody's opinion... even if it is the driver himself.
Show some numbers; it would be productive research to support your argument for or against.
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Posted By: Thefansfan on August 18 2010 at 09:22:21 AM
After watching the Knoxville Nationals , races at Knoxville , Oskaloosa and other tracks , I think it's time that Goodyear answers all the questions that surrounds this tire issue with this new tire that supposedly provides better racing for fans ? This tire caused at least 6 accidents during the Knoxville week or more ,has caused concern for fans , drivers , safety issues and lost countless races for drivers this year as part of there new contract with tracks , WRG and with other businesses that sell or support this new tire . We all know how this new tire rule came about , which was a quick cure for lack of a sponsor for a certain racing group , so now it's time to give more positive answers and to do more R & D for next year or I SAY BRING BACK HOOSIER TIRES FOR NEXT YEAR and break this contract & maybe have a open tire rule , as this tire rule really has not saved any real money for the teams unless they had a tire deal with Hoosier or other companies exclusively .
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The Goodyear deal is certainly going to keep the car count down at the Gold Cup Race of Champions this year in Chico. Too many low budget teams that can't afford to run 3 nights with Goodyear tires. That's why they changed the format this year to EVERYONE( maybe 60 cars) qualifying on both Thursday and Friday. I have seen alot of GSC races and strongly believe that Hoosiers are a far better tire (and affordable). They need to change the Goodyear rule for WoO sanctioned events and give more low budget teams a chance to go chase the big money.
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August 19, 2010 at
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Posted By: toby1125 on August 19 2010 at 10:24:01 PM
The Goodyear deal is certainly going to keep the car count down at the Gold Cup Race of Champions this year in Chico. Too many low budget teams that can't afford to run 3 nights with Goodyear tires. That's why they changed the format this year to EVERYONE( maybe 60 cars) qualifying on both Thursday and Friday. I have seen alot of GSC races and strongly believe that Hoosiers are a far better tire (and affordable). They need to change the Goodyear rule for WoO sanctioned events and give more low budget teams a chance to go chase the big money.
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If they want to run just stop at any woo trailer and get a couple of used ones. The goodyears just seem to get hot faster than the hoosiers. If you can control your right foot and not buzz the sh#$ out of them they last . I prefer the hoosers but the goodyears are fine.
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Posted By: The Vision on August 18 2010 at 12:01:06 PM
I understand that money talks. But I also understand that competition makes things better.
I think it is counterproductive to mandate a certain tire brand. Let the drivers decide.
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I agree. It is world of outlaws...........let them run what they brung!!
Rim Rider
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August 22, 2010 at
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Posted By: slider410 on August 19 2010 at 06:39:10 AM
Just for the record but you do realize that the goodyears that you ran last year(by choice) are completely different from this years? Construction, compound, etc,etc.
Another point is that evryone can bitch about goodyear but the fact is that WoO and many orginizations alike have gone to goodyear for a reason and thats money. Money for points fund that eventually ends back into the racers pocket at the end of the year. In today economy its hard enough just to get to the track with the cost of fuel(if you race with a traveling series) so to get back more in the end is still better than nothin. This is only the first year in a three year contract with goodyear so if your going to bitch about do it now so we can all move on for the next two years with peace and harmony. Bitchin isnt going to make anything any better, we need to deal with what we have now and see if we cant make somethings better in the future.
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Slider, I am running the tires right now, purchased them this year... purchased a bunch of them because the series I run with runs on a bunch of ole' modified tracks where the mod drivers threaten to pull out if the track isn't eating tires (one track it doesn't matter how much water is put on, it is eating tires). I have been quite satisfied with the performance of the tires, especially the stand-up left rears. Next year, there is talk that the series will be given the choice on the right rear to, of running a Goodyear 200 or 300.
Goodyear is not sitting idly by either, resting on their monopoly. They are working on new compounds for the tires, trying to get more life while gripping better.
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August 23, 2010 at
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Posted By: wbh16 on August 20 2010 at 12:59:22 AM
I agree. It is world of outlaws...........let them run what they brung!!
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How long has it been that been true.
You been under a rock
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August 23, 2010 at
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Posted By: lake_carl on August 19 2010 at 08:16:12 PM
thefansfan,
please do some research and provide some facts to these more than normal tire issues, take an event or track and research four or five years and see if it is actually more, i did just the A main of the knox nats back to 05 and this year, the 50 lap race did not have more than double the failures even though the race was much longer
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was the race really longer??? I thought the race went 35 laps in years past... this was only 25 laps.. sure they ran 50 laps total but didnt most everyone put on new rubber?? from my vantage point I could not see the work area.. did anyone try and run all 50 laps on the same tires?? Maybe next year they should try this again.. and allow those that want to.. come in and change.. and those that chose hard could stay out and keep track postion... hmmm sounding kind of like nascar... OMG>>>> NNOOOOOO
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Posted By: Krysl56k on August 18 2010 at 06:15:45 PM
No, your wrong. I guarantee you that you are lying. Tires have never been an issue until this season. And what has changed this season? O ya, that's right! Goodyears instead of Hoosiers. When tires alone cost 2 of the top running 3 sprinters in the KNOXVILLE NATIONALS a chance to have their names etched into history forever, then it becomes a HUGE deal. Hoosiers are the best and they need to come back. How would you feel if you led most of the laps of the biggest race in the world only to succumb to a blown tire!?!?! These things suck and need to be outlawed by the Outlaws. That's it!
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your a idot.Tires have never been a issue? LOL ive blown up hoosiers ,american racers, goodyears.
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August 24, 2010 at
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Husets had a bunch of blown Goodyears in the 410 feature last Sunday.
Still love husets
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ok everhard,
double dog dare you to take the conditions of track and air and compare at least 5 years of races with like conditions and compare the number of tires blown, I have heard and remember many years ago of very bad track conditions there leading to very bad tire abuse??????
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August 25, 2010 at
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one answer is open tire rule at some races ? and we will see what wins at some upcoming races in Pa Posse land as several races will be run with a open tire rule , how interesting .
Credit goes to Selinsgrove Speedway for this move , it could get interesting . I bet alot of teams use Hoosier !!!
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August 25, 2010 at
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Open tire would b great. Goodyear has cost everybody a bunch of money, just ask Sammy, Brian Brown, Joey, Dale, Paul, Kinsers, or just about everybody that lost a race or destroyed a car because Goodyear sucks. Hoosiers rule.
Still love husets
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Quit using tire softeners. Problem solved.
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Posted By: redbull29 on August 25 2010 at 12:02:59 PM
Quit using tire softeners. Problem solved.
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To whom it may concern,
I didn't have a chance to read every post on this thread, but the issue that I am concerned about is not tire wear, it's tire failure.
My point is this; if you watched Sammy's tire failure video, you will catch a glimpse of tire tread laying on the track. There appears to be plenty of tread left on the tire, meaning tire wear, tire management, and tire selection were probably not the root cause.
In my humble opinion, it looks like the tire simply failed! Sammy didn't burn a hole in it, it simply blew apart.
So is the real issue tire wear, or is it tire failure? If the answer is tire failure, then Goodyear has some work to do.
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August 25, 2010 at
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Simple solution.
Goodyear buys out Hoosier.
Continue to make SAME tire but print HOOSIER on it.
Complaints stop.
Everyone happy.
The end.
leon
TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!
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August 25, 2010 at
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if Goodyear buys Hoosier, u would see McCreary and American Racer become popular.
Still love husets
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Posted By: origopnwhlr on August 25 2010 at 01:01:11 PM
Simple solution.
Goodyear buys out Hoosier.
Continue to make SAME tire but print HOOSIER on it.
Complaints stop.
Everyone happy.
The end.
leon
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Leon,
You make it sound so simple!
First of all, I think, overall, the racing has been fantastic this year! In fact, I think the racing via Goodyears has been more competitive than racing via Hoosiers.
With that said, it seems like there has been a lot of tire failures; maybe more or maybe less than Hoosier failures, but enough occurrences that it's worth discussing.
Again, I would like to know if the occurrences are wear issues or failure issues. See my post above.
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Posted By: Hannity on August 25 2010 at 04:59:41 PM
Leon,
You make it sound so simple!
First of all, I think, overall, the racing has been fantastic this year! In fact, I think the racing via Goodyears has been more competitive than racing via Hoosiers.
With that said, it seems like there has been a lot of tire failures; maybe more or maybe less than Hoosier failures, but enough occurrences that it's worth discussing.
Again, I would like to know if the occurrences are wear issues or failure issues. See my post above.
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hannity, I done the quick simple research and looks to me like tire failures whatever the cause was not really a bigger issue this year than 4 of the past 5 in the knoxville nats A main.
as far as tread looking good, you cant see the entire tire, edge might be blistered bad, tire might simple have got a hole, often when they blow like that it is heat related from low pressure
so please provide some statistics and other than seems like or looks like? i have challenged many but yet have not seem even slight evidence and remember the eldora race years ago where most of the drivers had tire failure on what brand?
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August 25, 2010 at
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the racers aren't complaining and they keep bolting the 100 compound on because it is softer. Both Kinsers blew out with a few to go last weekend and both had 100 compound. Give any racer a soft tire and that is what they will bolt on.
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Howcome there were 6 tire failures at 360 nats????
what brand were they running?????
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