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08 one of schatzs first comments in victory lane was how he was trying his best to save his tires

I thought that there was only 100 cars at the Nationals???

07 steve smith had a flat

tatnell in 06, so perhaps tires, should I keep going?

No dog in this fight (sorry Michael Vick)

My take is if had been a smaller name driver leading the non qualifiers A main.... popped his tire and that was about the biggest tire event of the Nats. ...this thread would barely exist if at all.

I did not see any pattern of 'odd' or excessive tire failures in all 4 shows.

I like Jayme Moyle and hope he can get back into the Hoosier or Firestone's (for all I care) tire business on a volume basis so please don't consider me pro Goodyear .... I'm just a disinterested 3rd party to this issue throwing out my opinion on this.

R.A.

S.H.S.

GOODYEAR paying point fund , the racers are paying the point fund by having to buy these expensive tires ! Knoxville did not make you run 1 tire a night because they would not last all night ! Were the tires at the nationals the same as all year ? They had a stamp on them and kville wanted u to run them! The -- only -- way to save the --racers-- money is to let them run what they want! If you get a deal on american racer, hoosier, or goodyear run them ,run what you trust ! Just maybe they would all chip in to the point fund! THEN all the bitching would stop because they picked there brand

360 on a high banked, sand 4/10ths.

Even if GY has the worst, most unreliable, and dangerous tire out there, why would they respond to anything?

They've got contracts, and unless you're going to form a union or boycott of some form, they're in control.

Look at toyota, what did they have, 3 Million Prius's on the road before they "kind of" admitted there might be a problem?

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Wow, so tires have NEVER been an issue in sprint car racing??

How about you back up some facts with your arguments and stop listening to Tony Stewart about Goodyear. They're nothing better, or worse than any tire ever made on a sprint car.

Facts are by observation that there have been more blow outs this year in winged sprint car racing . So , I ask why ? improve this tire or break contract , and let the teams choose there own tire deal or just have a open tire rule . The idea was to same the teams money and it has not worked that way this year or even in past years to some extent . Safety , cost factors are now key issues in winged sprint car racing , so work on these items along with improving the racing product for fans , as no one wants to see follow the leader racing . And yes the racing has improved but do we give the tire the sole credit ? as some say ?

Just for the record but you do realize that the goodyears that you ran last year(by choice) are completely different from this years? Construction, compound, etc,etc.

Another point is that evryone can bitch about goodyear but the fact is that WoO and many orginizations alike have gone to goodyear for a reason and thats money. Money for points fund that eventually ends back into the racers pocket at the end of the year. In today economy its hard enough just to get to the track with the cost of fuel(if you race with a traveling series) so to get back more in the end is still better than nothin. This is only the first year in a three year contract with goodyear so if your going to bitch about do it now so we can all move on for the next two years with peace and harmony. Bitchin isnt going to make anything any better, we need to deal with what we have now and see if we cant make somethings better in the future.

First of all, IMO, the only explanation that Goodyear owes is to the racers - those that buy the tires. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the racers are OK with the product that Goodyear is providing. As others have pointed out, Joey had blowout issues with Hoosier a while back.

Secondly, it's up to the WoO, AllStars, Knoxville, and Williams Grove and others to decide if they want to try and invalidate the Goodyear contract that they signed. If they choose not to, whether it be for legal reasons/constraints, so be it. It costs money to break a contract, and I'm fairly certain that Goodyear has a lot of lawyers just waiting for an opportunity to respond to a broken contract.

Third, all of the complaining on message boards won't change a thing, be it tires, motors, your favorite driver(or your least favorite driver).

Chuck.....

EVERY!!!!!! team out there in the a main was using the SOFTEST compound available. Sammy had more wear after the first 25 than schatz. the only explanation needed is by the crews and drivers for compound choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"When you're born, you get a ticket to the freak show. 
When you're born in America, you get a front-row 
seat." George Carlin

Once groove and sipe tools touch a tire it's no longer Goodyear's problem. It's a risk most drivers and crew chiefs are willing to take...they get more power to the track...at the expense of longevity...and they often go too far. The next time you get a chance, check out the sipe/groove job on a Sammy Swindell LR...it's a work of art.

Things to consider in tire failures besides the brand name; compound (hard/soft), width, diameter, stagger, offset, PSI, sipping, grooving, tow in/out, camber, age of tire, ruts/debris on track (some hit them and some don't), chassis setup (changes force on LR vs RR), driving style (braking/high vs low line), horsepower, moisture level in track, contact (wall/other cars), temperature, degree of banking.

d4

Blow Outs happened with the Hoosiers as well, like I stated previously 2 if not 3 Hoosier LR's came apart at the National Open last year at the end of the backstretch. Where is the talk about that? What is all this talk of costing more as well? Don't they cost the same as the Hoosier spec did and they just cut out the tire deals for certain drivers?

I clearly above pointed out where tires were issues the previous 4 out of 5 years during the AZ main of the knoxville nationals, I think those who think otherwise have very selective memory, I remember those same complaints when hoosier became the spec RR, if most of the racers really hated it, they would either not race or get it changed

it was not the goodyears that went bad, the motor was going bad!!! give goodyear a BREAK, there tires are not any better than hoosiers has hard as they were racing saturday night any tire would have went flat!!!!!!!

No , one is blasting Goodyear or that they owe us a answer but it would be nice if we as fans were told the why's about this new tire . We all know hiow this tire deal came down , but this is by far the largest number of blow outs I have seen or heard of in quite some time . Yes , maybe they drove hard and yes they all used the same 100 tire , the softer tire , but a safety issue has now arose hasn't it . When these tires blow they really blow and it is my understanding from team members that these tires are constructed differently then other tires used in the past . Next year a harder side wall tire will be used ? I guess we wait and see how they react on the cars ?

thefansfan,

please do some research and provide some facts to these more than normal tire issues, take an event or track and research four or five years and see if it is actually more, i did just the A main of the knox nats back to 05 and this year, the 50 lap race did not have more than double the failures even though the race was much longer