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Murphy
September 15, 2020 at 07:44:32 AM
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      While watching Tuscarora highlights on the net, I noticed an odd perspective of cars coming out of turn 4 and down the front chute. There is an opening in the wall coming out of turn 4. On Google maps this appears to be maybe a secondary route from the pits to the track? From the aerial view, it looks like a car could get thunked coming out of 4 and centrifugal force could make it go almost straight on into a concrete wall. Is that just an oprical illusion?




Centralpa410
September 15, 2020 at 09:28:29 AM
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Not sure how old the aerial maps are on Google maps and IOS Apps, but the big opening in turn 4 is where cars leave the track surface.  Cars pit along the inside of the backstretch, go to the scales inside of turn 3, then exit the infield at the bottom of turn 4 and shoot straight up across the track out of turn 4.  The opening outside of turn 4 is offset that there is no danger.  (I know there will never be NO danger, but that opening is safe).

The opening you are referring to is a short chute where all cars enter the speedway.  Again, the opening is offset such that it is as safe as possible.  Only one time has a car got in there, and ironically, it was Lance Dewease.  He did go over if I remember correctly, but it's angled such and offset that it is as safe as can be.  Port Royal also put a layer of soft material over that short portion to assist if needed.  It is no way anything close to a NASCAR S.A.F.E.R. barrier but it does help cushion the blow somewhat should anyone get sucked in there.



saphead
September 15, 2020 at 10:29:19 AM
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I also would like to know why the home owners on 4th street do not offer roof top seating like Wrigley Field in Chicago? 

 




jwin
September 15, 2020 at 11:08:52 AM
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Posted By: saphead on September 15 2020 at 10:29:19 AM

I also would like to know why the home owners on 4th street do not offer roof top seating like Wrigley Field in Chicago? 

 



I definitely would have built a nice deck on one of them if I owned one! 



longtimefan
September 15, 2020 at 11:30:49 AM
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Posted By: jwin on September 15 2020 at 11:08:52 AM

I definitely would have built a nice deck on one of them if I owned one! 



There used to be people sit over there. I believe the track gives or used to give them passes. There is not a lot of interest from those residents anymore. I could tell you why and it would be the truth but it would start a shitstorm on here so I won't.



tenter
September 15, 2020 at 02:20:23 PM
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I sat on one of those roofs many times. The veiw is not as great as what you'd think.




longtimefan
September 15, 2020 at 03:56:05 PM
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Posted By: tenter on September 15 2020 at 02:20:23 PM

I sat on one of those roofs many times. The veiw is not as great as what you'd think.



Yea and that was likely before the higher fence was put up.

 



racer goin broke
September 15, 2020 at 05:44:02 PM
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Posted By: Murphy on September 15 2020 at 07:44:32 AM

      While watching Tuscarora highlights on the net, I noticed an odd perspective of cars coming out of turn 4 and down the front chute. There is an opening in the wall coming out of turn 4. On Google maps this appears to be maybe a secondary route from the pits to the track? From the aerial view, it looks like a car could get thunked coming out of 4 and centrifugal force could make it go almost straight on into a concrete wall. Is that just an oprical illusion?



Yes there is an opening on the outside of the track. It is the pit lane where cars are pushed out onto the track. In my opinion it is a very dangerous opening. Yes I think it is at a spot that a car could have a push coming out of four and hit right at that openimg. Lance just missed the opening in the 2018 Tuscarora 50. Also I believe it was Thomas Mesurall , the wingless USAC racer. He caught the opening with his right rear during Eastern Storm 2 years ago and went for a terrible flip. I know a racer who asked the track to put a gate there but he isn't a big named 410 racer so his input isn't worth much. What I can't figure out is if the opening isn't a problem why did Port put the rubber and foam on the opening wall. The foam was put om after Greg Hodnett was killed. Remember after that accident all the WoO drivers would look at a track and say if they saw any unsafe areas and have them addressed. Well apparently they didn't like that opening because that October 2018 weekend is when the foam went up. My question is if everyone is in agreement that it is an area of concern, why not fix it right? Can we be proactive in this instance instead or reactive?

cheroger
September 15, 2020 at 09:30:26 PM
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Posted By: longtimefan on September 15 2020 at 11:30:49 AM

There used to be people sit over there. I believe the track gives or used to give them passes. There is not a lot of interest from those residents anymore. I could tell you why and it would be the truth but it would start a shitstorm on here so I won't.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall that years ago, those neighbors and others in the town attempted to shut the track down because of the noise and dust.  Wasn't an agreement made to charge a town tax of around $1 a ticket per person.  If so, the town is making out like a bandit in revenue to provide services to the residence.  At $1 a head X 30 events a year X an average of say 5,000 fans = great revenue for a town that size.




alum.427
September 17, 2020 at 04:33:24 AM
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Strawser should buy one of those houses.



larsonfan
September 17, 2020 at 07:09:32 AM
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This message was edited on September 17, 2020 at 07:10:23 AM by larsonfan

Neat little feature on Flo with Port Royal native Dylan Cisney. In it, he talks about growing up in one of those houses mentioned above. Worth watching. Very nice guy.



onporch
September 17, 2020 at 08:13:39 AM
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Posted By: larsonfan on September 17 2020 at 07:09:32 AM

Neat little feature on Flo with Port Royal native Dylan Cisney. In it, he talks about growing up in one of those houses mentioned above. Worth watching. Very nice guy.



That was a great piece by Flo.   Dylan grew up in town and used to watch races out his bedroom window when he was a kid.    Last Saturday night some other kid got to look out their bedroom window and watch Dylan Cisney throwing slide jobs and eventually scoring a podium finish at the Tuscarora 50.     The video has a bunch of other cool and comical facts and details about the town, the shop, and the racer.   

 

Dylan is a typical blue collar PA sprint car driver.     He works construction during the week and races when he can.     

 

Good Luck racing against the pros Dylan !

 

 

 

 




willf270
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September 18, 2020 at 09:55:20 AM
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Posted By: cheroger on September 15 2020 at 09:30:26 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall that years ago, those neighbors and others in the town attempted to shut the track down because of the noise and dust.  Wasn't an agreement made to charge a town tax of around $1 a ticket per person.  If so, the town is making out like a bandit in revenue to provide services to the residence.  At $1 a head X 30 events a year X an average of say 5,000 fans = great revenue for a town that size.



Unless there is something in concrete , legal writing lets see what happens whe all those old time residents leave the town and its overun with the new me generation that doesnt want noise and dirt. I have seen it happen at Allentown Fairgrounds, to some extend Nazareth Speedway ( both 1/2 and 1 1/8 mile tracks} , they tried several times to reopen 1mile trace several times, town vetoed .Happened at Dorney park Speedway, area residents hated the noise and all the traffic so it became a log flume. Better get stuff in writing because fair boards and supporters change over time.



steelcityguy
September 18, 2020 at 11:00:50 AM
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Posted By: willf270 on September 18 2020 at 09:55:20 AM

Unless there is something in concrete , legal writing lets see what happens whe all those old time residents leave the town and its overun with the new me generation that doesnt want noise and dirt. I have seen it happen at Allentown Fairgrounds, to some extend Nazareth Speedway ( both 1/2 and 1 1/8 mile tracks} , they tried several times to reopen 1mile trace several times, town vetoed .Happened at Dorney park Speedway, area residents hated the noise and all the traffic so it became a log flume. Better get stuff in writing because fair boards and supporters change over time.



Speaking as someone who was born and raised in Port Royal, a block from the track, I can tell you this.  The residents on that street have changed numerous times over the years. Those houses aren't going to shut down the track, trust me on this.  I witnessed the worst years when the residents that were there fought really hard against the track. It's not anything like that now.  Port Royal benefits from the speedway being there.



wingkart1
September 18, 2020 at 11:02:23 PM
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That opening is where the cars enter the track from the pits. It would be hard to hit head on. Not impossable but hard to do.





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