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February 13, 2015 at
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Drug testing Part 5: Test after the event, nine other suggestions for drug testing Sprint Car drivers
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February 13, 2015 at
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If you test after the event whats the point? I thought testing was to make sure drivers are clean WHILE racing. If someone gets killed while racing and its found out after the race that the driver that caused it was under the influence, the other driver is still dead. Next procedure please.
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February 13, 2015 at
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Posted By: StaggerLee on February 13 2015 at 05:08:00 PM
If you test after the event whats the point? I thought testing was to make sure drivers are clean WHILE racing. If someone gets killed while racing and its found out after the race that the driver that caused it was under the influence, the other driver is still dead. Next procedure please.
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The thing that caught my attention was the $$$ end of the deal for already cash strapped short tracks. They're going to have to find a suitable area on the grounds to conduct the tests and have enough trained personnel to ensure that it's carried out properly. All of this mostly to chase a substance that is legal in some states, approved for medical use in many others and I catch a whiff of at the bus stop damn near every night downtown. This is a very convoluted issue but the bottom line is that I could rattle off a list of promoters I know who would have a hard time footing the bill for this additional expense. This would get even more complicated if touring series like the Outlaws were to impliment testing and require that local drivers competing against them are tested as well. They would likely defer the expense for testing the local drivers back on the promoters and if local drivers aren't normally being tested how many would go that extra step just to run with the Outlaws. Maybe in some parts of the country that might not be an issue but some of the places they ran at are playing to short fields already.
Testing only makes sense before the races if it's really about culling out offenders and not about padding the pockets of this testing business that is mentioned in the article. I see a lot of issues here, not saying that it would be impossible but it would almost have to be universal at all tracks for all divisions to really work. Testing prior to the night's races would require race teams to arrive a couple hours earlier. No problem for touring series but local tracks on a Friday night when people get out of their day jobs at the last minute and barely make it to the track in time to sign in is another issue. No track wants to turn cars away in this day and age of dwindling car counts. I think the very nature of grass roots short track racing would make this very difficult to implement.
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February 13, 2015 at
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PS, just remembered something that happened at our airport back in 2005. Minnesota Vikings running back Ontario Smith was detained in May of 2005 for carrying dried urine and a "mysterious" device that was later identified as a Whizzanator. It still comes up from time to time on local radio shows and has been the butt of many jokes during the past ten years. The things even come with a little rubber dong. LMAO because I haven't thought of that incident in quite a few years and I still laugh every time I think about it. Imagining one of those under a drivers suit, priceless. 
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February 13, 2015 at
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since its legal in oregon, washington, colorado, alaska and dc for recreational purposes what do you do in those states? what about the 23 states that it is legal for medicinal use? I think there is 6 more states with legislation being passed or being put on a ballot in 2016 for recreational use. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BEING IMPAIRED WHILE DRIVING RIGHT? not impaired 3 nights prior. I'm all for making sure drivers and track officials are sober during an event, but what they do on their own time is not anyone eles's business. Even the ncaa is relaxing its testing policy on plants. nfl this last year relaxed its policy on plants. why is racing going backwards? even the cops give a field sobriety test first. why not do a quick field sobriety test and if you fail it go from there? Not my fault some of you live in a state that sux. What about people on adhd meds? or other prescriptions meds that can trigger a positive? everyone need to carry a full prescription and health packet with them? It gonna get expensive and its gonna get complicated. out of any of the places we have been or groups we have races with i haven't seen anyone that i thought was impaired. at least give me a stock tip on the company ur grandstanding for so i can get a few shares bought up.
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Posted By: hatesfenders on February 13 2015 at 10:18:38 PM
since its legal in oregon, washington, colorado, alaska and dc for recreational purposes what do you do in those states? what about the 23 states that it is legal for medicinal use? I think there is 6 more states with legislation being passed or being put on a ballot in 2016 for recreational use. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BEING IMPAIRED WHILE DRIVING RIGHT? not impaired 3 nights prior. I'm all for making sure drivers and track officials are sober during an event, but what they do on their own time is not anyone eles's business. Even the ncaa is relaxing its testing policy on plants. nfl this last year relaxed its policy on plants. why is racing going backwards? even the cops give a field sobriety test first. why not do a quick field sobriety test and if you fail it go from there? Not my fault some of you live in a state that sux. What about people on adhd meds? or other prescriptions meds that can trigger a positive? everyone need to carry a full prescription and health packet with them? It gonna get expensive and its gonna get complicated. out of any of the places we have been or groups we have races with i haven't seen anyone that i thought was impaired. at least give me a stock tip on the company ur grandstanding for so i can get a few shares bought up.
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Keep in mind, it isn't legal for a truck driver in those states. Driving a racecar could be considered to have the same standard.
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Posted By: StanM on February 13 2015 at 05:36:53 PM
The thing that caught my attention was the $$$ end of the deal for already cash strapped short tracks. They're going to have to find a suitable area on the grounds to conduct the tests and have enough trained personnel to ensure that it's carried out properly. All of this mostly to chase a substance that is legal in some states, approved for medical use in many others and I catch a whiff of at the bus stop damn near every night downtown. This is a very convoluted issue but the bottom line is that I could rattle off a list of promoters I know who would have a hard time footing the bill for this additional expense. This would get even more complicated if touring series like the Outlaws were to impliment testing and require that local drivers competing against them are tested as well. They would likely defer the expense for testing the local drivers back on the promoters and if local drivers aren't normally being tested how many would go that extra step just to run with the Outlaws. Maybe in some parts of the country that might not be an issue but some of the places they ran at are playing to short fields already.
Testing only makes sense before the races if it's really about culling out offenders and not about padding the pockets of this testing business that is mentioned in the article. I see a lot of issues here, not saying that it would be impossible but it would almost have to be universal at all tracks for all divisions to really work. Testing prior to the night's races would require race teams to arrive a couple hours earlier. No problem for touring series but local tracks on a Friday night when people get out of their day jobs at the last minute and barely make it to the track in time to sign in is another issue. No track wants to turn cars away in this day and age of dwindling car counts. I think the very nature of grass roots short track racing would make this very difficult to implement.
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The way to do it is test five times a year, which would cost a little over $2,000 for the entire season. If you go with a consortium, it would be less.
As for a series, you don't have to test those nights. Lets be honest here, you drug test as a deterrent. Testing five random drivers on five random nights through the year would do the trick. If nothing else, it is a good start.
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If you are testing for marijuna, it would be pointless. Remember that unlike blood alcohol tests, urine screening can NOT tell if someone is currently under the influence, only that they consumed in the recent past.
There is no excuse for anyone who does smoke or otherwise experience marijuna's benefits to NOT pass a urine screening, random or not. Products and methods exist to mask the things that the tests look for...as Stan pointed out, even when the sample is taken under direct observation.
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February 14, 2015 at
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seems low on cost. with every test failed it will be challenged then the process starts over. then a dr. is sending the lab your prescription and medical records. More $$$ spent. its a false sense of security. sell fear and most will lap it up straight from the bowl. If the track wants to pay for it out of there own pocket thats great but it shouldnt cost a fan or team. like i said im all for safety and having drivers and officials having a sound body and mind on raceday but on monday its their life their business. If there is a test that proves 100% impairment at time of event then i am for it. the way the testing process works a guy can do coke mon-wed and pass clean but take cannabis oil and not get any mind or body altering affect 3 weeks ago and fail. we are finding out this dangerous plant is doing very good things and helping with many serious conditions for a lot of people. i know most dont understand this because their tv hasn't told them yet.
alwaystestclean.com/atc.false-positive-drug-test-medication/
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Posted By: hatesfenders on February 14 2015 at 10:57:54 AM
seems low on cost. with every test failed it will be challenged then the process starts over. then a dr. is sending the lab your prescription and medical records. More $$$ spent. its a false sense of security. sell fear and most will lap it up straight from the bowl. If the track wants to pay for it out of there own pocket thats great but it shouldnt cost a fan or team. like i said im all for safety and having drivers and officials having a sound body and mind on raceday but on monday its their life their business. If there is a test that proves 100% impairment at time of event then i am for it. the way the testing process works a guy can do coke mon-wed and pass clean but take cannabis oil and not get any mind or body altering affect 3 weeks ago and fail. we are finding out this dangerous plant is doing very good things and helping with many serious conditions for a lot of people. i know most dont understand this because their tv hasn't told them yet.
alwaystestclean.com/atc.false-positive-drug-test-medication/
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+1
Fear mongering has been a major weapon of anti-cannibis campaigns since William Randolph Hearst discovered that it jeapordized his massive timber holdings and used his newspapers and media outlets to protect himself and his pharmacutical company advertisers.
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