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While   eastern  racing closes  in Central Pa  today , I can't   help but have  thoughts  of  what  might the future  bring. While racing  is  doing  well most  everywhere  , it   becomes  apparent to me  one thing  has  to happen .  360 and 410  racing needs  to take place on  either  4/10ths or smaller  tracks , the days of 1/2 mile  tracks or  bigger  is gone . Yes, once in a  while  you do  see  a  good race  on a 1/2 mile track  but not  on a regular  basis .
  And  now    new  groups  are  popping up , I really  wonder if this is good , instead of strengthing what   already exists.

So, this is basically suggesting that three most well-known sprint car race tracks in America (Knoxville, Eldora and Williams Grove) shouldn't have any 360 or 410 races?

Yeah, OK. 

IDK, I usually feel the same way but my last visit to Lincoln(KK race) left me feeling otherwise. That was probably the most boring and least passing I saw at any event all year and I usually love the racing at Lincoln. The WOO show at Port a few weeks ago must have been 1 of those "once in awhile good races".

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You should really write the Marion County fair board with your opinion of 1/2 mile tracks.   I'm sure the second they read your opinion they will immediately make plans to downsize Knoxville.  

Oh guys, why do you continue to feed this pissing & moaning troll. Every thread is about the end of 410 racing, or 1/2 mile tracks or how bad the fan experience is. Oh god, whinning drive, just shut up and go away. You are an idiot who knows nothing about racing. Your repeated BS threads are boring, hard to read and do nothing to help anyone, especially not your space bar usage. Go away troll.

As long as you guys keep FEEDING the Troll, he will not go away.

I guess you keeping to the promise you made in the other thread, that you would no longer give us your wisdom about racing was too much to hope for.

You have been singing Port Royal's praises all year, but guess now they should stick to late models since they are a pretty big 1/2 mile.  Lincoln has, week in and week out the best local racing I've ever seen, but it is a combination of the configuration of the track and the preparation of the surface.  

I have seen incredible races at Williams Grove, Port Royal, Knoxville....even Bridgeport in NJ which is called a 5/8ths but is really closer to 3/4.   If the surface is right they can all be good.  BTW, the old Flemington in NJ which was a big half claiming to be a 5/8ths might have been the most exciting track I ever went too (It was a squarish rectangle, flat and wide, passing everywhere, even when the Sprints ran there, and blistering fast).

The KK race proved that when a surface goes away, it doesn't matter how long a track is...it will get locked down and there will be no passing.

Racing is more consistent on short tracks, as much because the leaders get into traffic faster which is the great equalizer, than anything else.  However, to make a blanket statement that basically says "big tracks bad" is insulting to all those who enjoy racing on the above mentioned race tracks.

  It is not the fact that you have opinions that makes people react to you the way they do, it is because you hardly type in the English language, you bring up the same complaints by starting 4-5 threads every single week, your hate against the WRG (who is far from perfect) is obviously personal because they haven't listened to your ideas....just like most posters on the board have done to you as well, and you state your opinions like they are facts that no one should disagree with.

 I appreciate  your opinions   but  calling  me such names  is   uncalled for ,but  I  am  not  moaning or complaining .I am merely  making  suggestions  on what  I see  not  in regards  to the  trend of racing  . I am not  telling  any track what  to do  but I  simply  said racing appears to be better  on smaller  tracks . My choice  of words  could have been better  I suppose  , but  I am saying , contain the speed of cars to produce  better  racing . Your  opinions  or thoughts about  this topic or any  I  put up  is   to hear  you  ,not  negative  comments  about  me personally  . There  is many positive   things happening  in sprint car racing  now  but there   is also many things  that can be done  always to  improve  it  for fans  and the race  teams  which may be taking place in some places . I write  to listen to you  and hear  what  you think , not for any other reason .

The problem with that is NOBODY GIVES A RATS ASS!!!!!!

I am not saying for them not  to have  races  but  to consider  that  a smaller  track may present  even better  racing under present day  rules . All I  want to see  is good racing , what  about you  ?  Maybe not  these tracks you mentioned  but others  may consider such a  move  to downsize  , there  have  been a  few already  .

I agree  with what you have  said  , I too did see  alot of good racing  in my  days  at  alot of tracks  you mentioned  as well . I do not hate  anyone  including  WRG  , I just  disagree  with the way they do somethings . I donot  ask for  people  to agree  with me  , and  I certainly  don't have  all the answers.   I  believe things  can always be better  for  all  concerned or involved in racing  or for  fans  who attend the weekly  shows  .

http://www.hoseheadforums.com/forum.cfm?ThreadID=91765

410's on a 4/10th track looks boring to me.

Please point to one name that I called you.....oh thats right, you can't, because I didn't. 

And if you don't think that you are moaning and complaining, perhaps you should look up the definitions of those terms and then read the threads that you have started.

My comments were not about you personally (except maybe your hate for WRG, which you deny, but again read your own posts) they were about the style in which you post.  If you have something of substance to say, good or bad, by all means say it, but if you want it to be taken seriously, the way in which you present it is obviously not working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7znr7UjNzM&index=1&list=UUh0_uAycD1EjxuMozfD2fdw

You must go to races at some real crappy 1/2 mile racetracks. I go to Knoxville Raceway every saturday night and see great racing week after week. It is more the quality of the track prep than the size of the racetrack that determines if you see a good race or not. If you were 10% the expert you think you are you would know that.

Eldora is a 4/10 mile track...we measured it.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Hey BBR did you guys ever actually measure Hagerstown to get the actual length?  Just wondering. 

Well there you go winning drive, that means the racing at Eldora has to be good because it's not really a 1/2.

+1  Devils Bowl is a big track and the racing can suffer there if the track is tacky.  When it goes dry slick the racing gets much better.   It's all about the surface.   I've seen crappy races at just about every size and configuration of track.

So let me get this straight. You've said many times that Port Royal is the best track in Pa yet you want to get rid of 1/2 miles? Sounds to me like you just want something to bitch about. But let's play with that idea. Just in PA alone if we eliminate 1/2 miles, we lose Williams Grove, Port and Selinsgrove so that means no more National open, no more Summer Nationals, no more Tuscarora 50 or Labor day therefore no more fair races at Port, no more Weikert Memorial, no more Ray Tilly Memorial or Jim Nace memorial and a significant chunk of speedweek is gone. Yeah, that's a hell of an idea. That should REALLY help sprint car racing. Seems pretty obvious to me that you my friend, haven't a damn clue.