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Will the Outlaws be able to continue being the Premier series with all the hits they are taking?
With the loss of Kinser and Swindell and the Big Game Series keeping alot of cars in the midwest and the Renegade Series looking strong in Ohio,where will all the future Outlaws come from?

Kasey,Stewart and Larson can only supply so many cars they still need another six or seven to keep the series strong.  

I believe its a valid question but I think the outlaws will be fine, you will always have the big names doing the full series.

They will be fine. I will still be attending all the races that are in my area and i am sure the same people on here that have talked about the WoO impending doom will continue to do so. These other series that are happening i think will only help the outlaws and 410 racing and general. Gives locals more dates to race, more prize money which will in turn bring in more cars when the outlaws come to town. I doubt with the new series' that are starting up drivers will only race for those series and promoters will still book the outlaws because people will come and buy tickets. Doesnt matter if steve or sammy are there or not although they will be missed.

Sammy and Steve have left the WOO before--and that was when they were still dominate.  The WOO survived then and will now.  I see nothing slowing them down right now.  A vast majority of the sprint car drivers in the country  dream of landing a full time ride on the WOO so there is currently not a lack of interest.  The cars that travel with the WOO are almost always the fastest cars you can see in the country on any given night--whether anyone likes to admit it or not.   While everyone gives no credit to the full time WOO drivers, they seem to bask in the glory when one of their local heros beat the WOO's.  This does not happen as frequently as everyone seems to think by the way.  The overwhelming majority of the WOO shows are won by WOO full time drivers--even though they are sometimes facing drivers who have spent their entire racing careers on the tracks they are beating them on.   Every WOO show I have gone to the last 5 years has been packed!  Until there is something to worry about--I don't think they have anything to worry about.

good point, Ive been to about 20shows this year and not one show was i like damn theres barely any people here. Its more like im gonna get 3 pops and 2 hotdogs right now and go to the bathroom cuz i dont want to wait in mile long line.

You're too late dude.  Someone else already started the first "How Will The Outlaws Survive?" thread last week.    I'm sure there will be another seven or eight of them over the weekend.      Seems like this has been an issue or question for the last umpteen years and yet somehow the WoO is still here?   Does that tell you anything???

I look at the result head lines and say what Kinser or Swindell. Both most of the time have been also rans for the last 3 or 4 years.

What I'm wandering is what is Johnny Gibson going to say. And now quailifing 20 time WoO champion. 

Now qualifing is Kraig Kinser his Dad is 20 time WoO Champion Steve kinser. lol

He has said Steve Kinser so many times.

If Kraig is driving the Bad Boys Buggy car next year will he call him Steve. lol

Where will the not Drivers but Car Owners come from. There are a lot of Great drivers running at Knoxville, in Ohio, Indiana, California and running the ASCS National Tour that would love to go out on the WoO trail.

Again, can someone please point out a time when there were more than 13-16 teams that travelled the whole WoO tour.  I'm only 36, so I don't remember their entire history, but I don't remember a time period when there was.  The tour is as healthy as it has ever been.  Is Kinser a loss, sure.....but it's not going to kill the series, and it seems that Swindell spent as many years not running the whole tour as he did running it.  The only reason he ran the whole thing in 2012 was because he came out in Florida and the Cali. races like gangbusters and was leading the points so he couldn't justify dropping off the tour....but running the whole thing was not his plan for the entire year then.

I for one am glad that I was able to see Steve and Sammy race for so long, but as far as I can tell, its been a few years since they were the reason a majority of the people attended the races. 

isn't there some guy named shane stewart running the full schedule next year? no worries.

My main concern is in the last few years there are more teams that have dropped off the tour than new ones joined.
Haudenschild,Lasoski,Mccarl,Wolfe,Myers,Tim Schaffer,Henderson,Hannigan,plus more that tried for awhile.

Yes Stewart is supposed to join next year that is the Larson car,but how long can Bobby Allen keep two cars going and Jason Sides has really struggled this year.

Dollansky and Brown would be two possibilities now they are going to run the Big Game Series

Again...we are near the end of the season and there are 13 full time teams following.  They lost one and have picked up a couple of semi regulars at least geographically.

you say that more teams have dropped off the tour than added in the last however many years....but the most regulars I ever remember them havingo is 15 and they all didn't make it the full year.  When guys like dude, McCarl, and Haud were regulars...sweet, madsen, gravel were not.  It's cyclical....losing kinser and swindell and maybe another team or two next year.  Picking up Stewart, probably a replacement in Tsr and from there we will see.  I just know I've been reading the same doom and gloom posts for ten+ years And they always seem to have about the same amount of cars.

Nope--I can't do it.  I am not aware of any time that there has been more than that.  I would have to say you can probably go back in time and find years that the following was in the single digits of teams that made every race.  Don't have cold, hard facts, but I would be willing to be there has been. 

Not only is the World of Outlaws not in trouble, I think they are as healthy as they have ever been.  Any new sprint car series will only strengthen numbers if they decide to run combined points shows.

My main question is where are the future Outlaw cars for or drivers going to come from? The only Pa. driver that would really like to be out there is Marks but he needs help or a ride. Bell and Abreau will probobaly end up in Nascar and if the Midwest series pays $75000 for 30 races why would any of the midwest teams want to travel for 90 races?

WITH THE CURRENT FORMAT THE TOP TWO GUYS ARE WINNING OVER A THIRD OF THE RACES AND THAT WOULD BE EVEN HIGHER IF NOT FOR OUTSIDERS WINNING SO MANY.

It kind of reminds me of the movie Groundhog Day when it comes to the World of Outlaws fall and winter posts on Hoseheads.  Everyone writes them off every winter and they come back and have another strong season the following summer.  Then the same thing repeats the next winter, over, and over, and over.... 

Stan Meissner

I know its hard to believe but most guys in a sprint car dream of one day being an outlaw, the next generation of drivers will come from all over the place just like the current outlaws, Australia, California, Pennsylvania and every where in between. I swear every post on this forum about the outlaws either predicts the end of the outlaws or complains how bad they suck, yet most of their shows are packed with fans and cars, it just dosnt make sense.

You say that with the current format the top 2 guys win a third of the races, how is this any different then when Steve and Sammy dominated.  Any sport is gonna have teams that dominate why should Sprint car racing be different. My question to everyone is, if the cars and motors are so equal "cookie cutter" is the term I hear used the most, how can Donny Shatz be so dominate, he's on the same tires, same motors, same J&J chassis that many other racers are using yet he's dominating the sport, how can it be?

So true!  

1st of all--StaggerLee--spot on.

Now--longtimemitchfan--the only driver in PA that would really like to be out with the WOO is Marks?  Seriously?   Wave a legit ride in front of almost any of them.................that sound you hear?  The tires squealing down the road. 

Why would any midwest teams want to travel for 90 races?  First of all, top drivers are going to sign with teams that give them the most races and the best opportunity to make money.  So, if I am a top talent in sprint car racing that every team wants to get their hands on, I am going to hold out to sign for the team that is going to enter me in the most races.  If I get a percentage of my winnings, I want to run $10,000 to win races and I want to run 90 races.  Not 30 races that are $5000 to win.

Now, I am not bashing this new series--can't wait to see it.  But the Donny Schatz' of the world are not going to sign up for 30 races.  He didn't when he was with his own team and he is not going to driving for Tony.   Will they lose a driver or two (or three even)?  Maybe.  If they do, will they fill the void in the coming seasons?  Probably.   Will the WOO survive?  Yep. 

Schatz, Saldana, Pittman, Sweet, Darrah, McMahan, Stewart, Kraig, Sides, Madsen, Gravel

Schuchart and Allen still possible

Don't seem like anything to worry about???

do it in the dirt

I agree. I think we've beat this horse dead. 

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