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July 23, 2012 at
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Posted By: kooks on July 23 2012 at 08:10:24 AM
Has a spec tire series with more than one tire manufacturer ever been tried?
Also when these tire companies "compete" for the contract is the tire price set for the life of the contract?
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Series have allowed people to run different brands with similar compounds in the past, American Racer MC2, hard Hoosier, hard Goodyear, etc. Don't think they ever spec'd out high growth LR tires before Goodyear's contract though. They are stiff sidewall, no growth. Need to go further with it yet. No taper so edges can be flipped over. And hard enough to handle rubber down so half the field doesn't get a flat in the last 10 laps.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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August 14, 2012 at
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AMERICAN RACER TIRE RETURNS TO URC WITH GREAT PRICING
Plans for the 2012 Rislone URC Sprint Series are well underway and a big announcement includes the return of American Racer as the official tire of URC. Some great pricing is being offered with URC using a portion of their sponsorship revenue to offset the tire cost. URC Managing Member John Zimmerman worked out the tire prices for 2012 which includes $159 for right rears, $155 for left rears and $138 for all front tires.
http://www.sprintsandmidgets.com/urc-looks-to-2012-and-beyond/
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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August 14, 2012 at
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"This was posted over on www.pitgate.com from Rich Farmer promoter at Fremont. Interesting numbers:
Anyone wanting to call me directly that is a team owner that spends money to race a car at my race track is free to do so and we can discuss options ideas thoughts on tires going forward. I will tell you now that open tires are not a option that we are thinking unless someone can prove to me that teams will save money doing it.
Hoosier open tire cost $240 per RR
Hoosier SC spec tires $215 per RR
American Racer open tire cost is $200 per RR
American Racer MC tires $190 per RR
2013 Goodyear tire cost $259 per RR $249 LR and $205 fronts."
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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August 15, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on August 14 2012 at 07:09:20 PM
AMERICAN RACER TIRE RETURNS TO URC WITH GREAT PRICING
Plans for the 2012 Rislone URC Sprint Series are well underway and a big announcement includes the return of American Racer as the official tire of URC. Some great pricing is being offered with URC using a portion of their sponsorship revenue to offset the tire cost. URC Managing Member John Zimmerman worked out the tire prices for 2012 which includes $159 for right rears, $155 for left rears and $138 for all front tires.
http://www.sprintsandmidgets.com/urc-looks-to-2012-and-beyond/
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If WOO and local 410 racing goes this route, we are in good hands. Not only are the tires cheaper but the racing is great and a hooked up car can go to the front. I've seen 2 URC races recently and both were won from the 6th row with lots of passing, side by side/back and forth, multi-groove racing. These are 360's with full size top wings. I can only imagine what it would be like with more power under the hood. Hoosier makes the fastest tires but the racing sucked the last time the 410's ran them, everyone locked down. They work OK for the 358's with the smaller topwing but I don't think the 358's are allowed to run the softest compounds either.
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August 16, 2012 at
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Case of spec tire series with competitiong going bad: NASCAR in teh 1990's - remember the Hoosier vs. Goodyear war? Hoosier built GREAT tires, but both sides ended up having MASSIVE tire failures throughout the year and resulted in some bad crashes and a few drivers actually getting hurt. That last 1 year and since then NASCAR has went back to 1 tire company.
Open tire rules used to work, but the fact is, the economics of an open tire rule don't work. (you open up tire rules and EVERY TEAM will have EVERY manufacturer's tires mounted on rims in their trailer.)
American Racer could sell their tires for $100 per tire and make them last a full season long, while Hoosier makes a tire that lasts 35 laps and costs $450 per tire. If the Hoosier makes the car go faster, that's the one that the teams will buy (even the low buck teams becuase they think they "have to run those" to be competitive even though they wouldn't be competitive if they started the big teams a full lap down to start the race.
To me, the WoO needs to change their tire rule to REDUCE tire expense. Fact of the matter is that the Outlaws only requre the teams to run the same RR tire for TT, Heat and Dash (what is that, 16 laps??). Change the rule so you have to run the same RR tire for TT, Heat, Dash and Feature (and you end up saving the teams $250-300 EVERY NIGHT, in some cases, teams are running 3 RR tires a night because they flatten one on rubber down tracks during the feature, that's $500-600 in tire expenses above what they could be.
Knoxville (for weekly races) only allows you to run one RR tire the entire night (TT, Heat and Feature), and seldomly have tire failures (maybe their all bolting on hard tires to start the night??) or rubberdown racetracks.
I personally don't care what brand of tire the teams run, bottom line is that the teams with $$ will spend it and the teams without $$ will spend it trying to "keep up with the Jones's" even if its unwarranted.
I remember watching Wolfgang in the late 80's with a Hoosier Front tires, A McCreary Left Rear and a Goodyear Right Rear because that combination of tires @ Knoxville worked, then saw him run @ Lakeside in KS with Goodyear Fronts, Hoosier Left Rear and McCreary Right Rear because at Lakeside that combination worked.
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August 16, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on July 21 2012 at 11:57:59 AM
I don't think it can be refuted that the Goodyears unhooked the cars more. Teams have been competing with less horsepower. 410 car counts in PA have gone up.
The same thing can be done by Hoosier or American Racer a lot cheaper though. Goodyears are $210 a piece. American Racer could build a good $150 tire if given the chance.
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and the the big guys add on their 75/tire,and there we are,all over again......
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August 17, 2012 at
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What are people going to pee and moan about next year when there's a bad night of racing? Everybody's favorite whipping boy will be gone.
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August 17, 2012 at
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August 17, 2012 at
05:28:26 PM by cubicdollars
They ran MC-2 track tires in Central PA a long time ago and most people thought they were a good tire. You could run them several times, they didn't seal up that easy. URC doesn't seem to have any problems with them.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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