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My wife told me if I went to one more Sprint Car race 
she would leave me.................I'm sure gonna miss 
that ol' gal. 

so, what about Tony Schilling? Was he cleared as well?

My wife told me if I went to one more Sprint Car race 
she would leave me.................I'm sure gonna miss 
that ol' gal. 

Weird ... no mention of recalling the other mufflers that had the same "manufacturing oversight". Seems if it was really a "manufacturing oversight" that Schoenfeld would be trying to fix the others they made too (other than the 2 that were tested and illegal). Otherwise, aren't those other teams in the same boat?

Some people either can't read or perhaps a classic case of "premeditated stupidity"? Referring to backerin91's post.

And since when does a manufacturer admitting to a mistake give a free-pass for a racer using something illegal? If this was a motor that was illegal, would it be ok to send it back to the motor builder and them say "Opps ... we built a 420 by mistake."? Or for a wing manufacturer to say "Opps ... we put a 2" dish in a flat top wing by mistake."?

Where did anyone ready in any of the "official"information that was released that said anything about the mufflers being "tested and illegal"? Assumptions are dangerous as are misinterpretations. Knoxville has a new muffler rule. The officials checked several that appeared irregular so they want to have them checked. Two of them were fine they just looked "irregular". "irregular" and "illegal" don't even rhyme. Good grief.

Mufflers are mandated by teh Raceway, and a majority of them were bought and paid for by the Raceway as well.

I view it much like a tire. If the driver/owner/crew says they didn't do anything to it, I have it checked by a lab/manufacturer.

Motors are completely different animals. The motor builders know what the rules are and if they build one that is too big (or has illegal heads), they (and their customer) know it's illegal before it ever hits the track.

Buying a tire that is the correct width and compound from the tire truck right before the race and then being DQ'd for illegal tire is one thing, but that has NEVER been the case, all illegal tires have been something someone had in their trailer for YEARS (see Josh Higday's DQ on opening night for example). I never hear someone get DQ'd for tires when it's one they purchased that night, it's always one that's been in "SuperClean" for 6 months and you can smell the stench in the grandstand from it (wait, they forgot to send the sample to the lab right away on that one...).

Schoenfeld and Knoxville are a joke. We spend thousands of dollars for horse power and lite wieght parts and Knoxville mandates a company that is only concerned with quanity and not quality. Yes we recieved a free pair from the race track and we purchased another three pairs and all eight mufflers are differant in all aspects, welds, angle of inserts, insert openings, volume and wieght. If Schoenfeld was to impliment a QC standard with +/- they would need to reject 90% of the mandated product. Again the racer pays to try and be a top competitor. What a Joke

do it in the dirt

I wonder how many more bad mufflers will be found this weekend when the arceway officials look over every car? Their website announced the pits are opening at 2:00pm to make extra time to inspect every car.

ya, so pull one more car out the pitgate , seems logical, "he wasnt racing quietly so go home if you dont like it" , I said from the begining I wasnt a fan of the spec muffler deal, thier just adding trouble to another avenue nobody really wants admit, So , lets say the winning car has susptious mufflers?, did they do a decible test on that particular car? I mean isnt that what thier after?the spec # and model is on the dam car! now its a performance thing? I mean what? what is it? I dont care if your mufflers are made of two used coffee cans and a dirty dishrag, as long as the decible level is within check, isnt that the point? Oe, and now its a well certified top header exhaust manufactur with the hickup, OE I get it, thats ok right? I mean its brand S right, so thats good right? right? triple X gets thrown under the bus on here for a overseas product, I mean wheres the naysayers now? , sure production can slip on quality control, but the point is they were going to enforce something that takes sprintcar racing into the next century,PR,and the bite out of the harshness , now all it does is piss winning logical racers off , I dont like them and I never will.

When you have a muffler that was made by the manufacturer and there is a problem, sounds like it will taken care of and no penalty. Other cases, when there is a problem with a muffler you get DQ'd. The way it should be. Also don't you think the track is being proactive in noise reduction. Alternatives could be much worse.

Knoxville has mandated mufflers for YEARS, it just so happens that this year the approved muffler changed in an attempt to be a good neighbor PROACTIVELY instead of the alternative that many other tracks face (curfews, fines, (or in many cases) being shut down).

I'd like to know where the $1000's are that YOU spent. I know that all drivers in the points (attended 75% of the shows @ Kville last year) received FREE mufflers from the Raceway at the points banquet. The 305's do not have this muffler rule, so are you a new competitor in the 360's or 410's or just a keyboard jockey complaining??

Obviously you didn't read his entire post, he stated Knoxville did indeed supply their team with 1 set of mufflers, they purchased 3 additional sets. As far as wanting to know where the $1000s are that he spent? He already told you, trying to get more horse power and lighter parts, putting 1 motor on the dyno to tune it for these new mufflers cost $500 + fuel usage, if you have 3 motors that's over $1,500. Not hard to figure out if you know much about anything.

so my next question would be, under what circumstances do you need 4 sets of mufflers? I can see a back-up set of headers, but not 3 back-up sets. Most teams are on a shoe-string budget and they wouldn't spend the $$ until they HAVE to, which means once the first set is junk, they'll spend the $$ on a third set.

I'll say it again, Knoxville has mandated a muffler for YEARS, this is nothing new except the muffler itself was changed THIS season. Teams didn't throw a fit when they implemented the mufflers in the past, why now?? Because they have a message board where they can be anonymous that's why. If they are so pi$$ed about it, bring the issue up at Driver's Meetings, During Tech, ask to be invited to the manufacturers forum during the Nationals, World Finals, or other big shows.

IMO, kodadog is just trying to stir the pot and make everyone "think" that this is costing him so much. If he's on such a shoestring budget, why isn't he racing hobby stocks at a track closer to his house?? Oh, because it's probably not the HUGE expense he is claiming that it is.

If teams are replacing the DRIVELINE every 3 nights on a racecar that is MUCH more expensive than a muffler is are complaining about the cost of the muffler, why aren't they compaining about the drivelines not being made good enough if they last less than 100 laps total???? Many teams use the same muffler for YEARS.

If it's a quality control issue, complain to the company and get the ones you paid for replaced (they should do it for free if they erred) with ones that are correct.

My other question would be, if all the mufflers are different that you have, whey did you spend any $$ on a dyno test, why didn't you start rasing he!! with Schoenfeld that you got 4 sets of mufflers and all 8 of them were different??

If you did and it fell on deaf ears, that's Schoenfeld's issue. If you didn't raise the topic up to them (or officials), that's on you...