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I thought the All Stars also went to the four corner rule for Goodyear tires? Notice a lot of cars in Hoseheads pictures that still had Hoosier fronts on including GA winner Pittman. Anyone got any scoop on this one?

what f'n races you been watching???? Only reason the racing has been close is cause nobody can figure out how to get those pieces of crap to hook up on a regular basis.

305's are the herpes of sprint cars

itis better to run a softi hoosyer tire with hookuped and rubberdon and gets behind the dud in frt of u then widopen goodyeers an sea who Wins with a 410!

410JAMES lmfao

at one time recently, when everyone had a chance to choose and run whatever tire they wanted, goodyear was NOT the brand of choice. the free market made their product inferior. when the free market was closed and the tire rules began in woo, hoosier was the first brand that was mandated. that was fine by most people because hoosier had been the tire of choice for most people.

the goodyear tire that is being run now is not the goodyear tire that was run when you could run open tires. even if it was, in the recent past when you could run open tires, most people didn't choose goodyear.

at one time, years ago, goodyear was the choice of tire. not because it was so good, but because it wasn't as bad as the others. when hoosier finally made a good tire, it pretty much removed goodyear from the sprint car market.

from what i have heard, if woo teams were allowed the choice to go back and run the hoosier spec tire or run the goodyear spec tire, there would be a lot less goodyears on the tour.

that is not saying goodyear can't figure out how to make a better tire, but with the spec rules stating you have to run their tire, there is no reason for them to make a better tire.

hoosier already had made a better tire when they became the spec tire.

to indy and beyond!!

Don't forget, the WRG WANTS the tires to be the way they are. As I recall, they were pushing Hoosier down this same path on a yearly basis, but Hoosier was resistant to do what they wanted (make the tires harder, have stiffer sidewall).

Did everyone take the Goodyear $$$? Of course they did. The days of "Open" tire rules are pretty much over. All that's been accomplished with a tire rule is that ALL of the drivers/teams are on the same playing field (sure, the tires suck, but they suck for everyone).

Did it hurt some of the teams? IMO, yes. It hurt the ones that were receiving FREE or greatly reduced priced tires (the Top Teams), and hurt those top teams that were getting the latest and greatest all the time before anyone else could have them (remember the Hoosier Tapered Rear Tires that only seemed to ever make it onto one or two cars (and they dominated when they ran them)??

It's no different than NASCAR, Hoosier made a better tire overall than Goodyear in the early 90's, only problem was that SAFETY got thrown out the window to make sure the tires were faster than the competition....

i am not meaning to argue your points or say you are wrong, but the sh!t disturber in me has a couple things to say. lol.

you mean wrg WANTS tires to fail for no reason? maybe that is why hoosier didn't want to be pushed down the path wrg wanted. maybe hoosier realized that in making a tire wrg wanted, it would result in a tire that was not reliable.

also you stated that everyone took goodyears money. the promoters had a choice, the teams didn't.

yes the teams took the points money that they won, why shouldn't they? they earned it. that still didn't give them any choice on what tire they ran. you are insinuating that teams should have refused the points money from goodyear if they didn't like the tire. why should they give it up just to let the promoter have it?

as far as the safety comment, it seems tire safety got thrown out the window with the goodyear sprint tire deal in favor of money.

as far as tire deals, most of the traveling woo teams had some kind of a tire deal with someone no matter if they were "top" teams or not. as far as that goes, what makes you think some of them don't still have them. there is nothing stopping it from happening other than people are being more closed mouth about it. as far as helping to save money, LR tire prices were raised and they are about the same price as a RR, front tire prices went up too.

to indy and beyond!!

Every time I see people make the argument for hoosiers being superior to goodyears I'm reminded of and certain of one thing; they wern't at Eldora for that fiasco some years back when hoosier was the spec tire. Anyone that witnessed that would never have a high opinion of them and their product.

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In 2011, about 10 of our MOWA events had an open tire rule. All 10 winners of those events had a Hoosier on the Right Rear. At least in our area, when drivers are given a choice, they seem to choose Hoosier... by a very wide margin.

And you can just imagine it would have been a whole lot worse if they were running on Goodyears.

I don't aim to please.
I aim to hit the target.

You can site a few cars in a race. I can site 22 out of 24 in a race. Jason Sides and Erin Crocker were the only two in that King's Royal that didn't lose a right rear and Sides had his go down right after he crossed the line.

The attrition was so bad that night that the guy that led the first 36 laps (Kemenah) lost his right rear. He had to pit and restart tail and ended up with a top 3 finish.

The hoosier apologists can have all of the selective memory that suits them but, the fact is that they failed miserably on one of the largest stages that this sport has to offer. Bitch and moan about GY all that you want but, you have no valid argument until they fail at that level.

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usually in dirt sprint car racing when everyone, or a bunch of drivers have tire problems in the same event it is because of an issue other than defective tires. it usually is because of adverse track conditions that wear and abuse the tire. i am not aware of what the conditions were for that eldora race, but it sounds like it was a tire eater that wore tires to the point they popped. that happened at tulare a few years ago when erin crocker won that main. the track just ate tires. that is not defective tires. all tires will have problems when they are over abused.

we are talking about tires failing under normal race conditions.when you have tires with no wear on them exploding, and tires experiencing delamination, that is a tire problem.

i don't recall hoosiers having the delamination and exploding probelms.

i am not looking at how last years goodyear tires performed from a performance level. everyone had to run the same tire, so it didn't matter if the goodyear was a better or worse tire than hoosier from a handling perspective. as i said, everyone had to use them so everyone was on equal footing. i am speaking of how the tires performed from a reliability stand point.

maybe goodyear has found out what their problem was. they did have a problem, the failures under normal racing conditions were clear. if they have found and corrected the problem and they have built a tire that does its job without random failure, then that is great.

to indy and beyond!!

Man, 14 replies and no one has answered the question I asked. Did not ask the question to get into the big Hoosier vs. Goodyear debate.

Maybe the All Stars have given guys time to use up old fronts? Just didn't know if something has changed. Looking at Allan's pics from the Woo show tonight did not see any Hoosiers on but not as many pics of cars either.

Just a question.