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March 22, 2011 at
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I was at the Thunderbowl for Saturday's Outlaw race. I enjoyed the show!
During one of the red flags, at least two cars had header fires, or more specifically muffler fires. Johnny Gibson explained that the trap style mufflers, that are mandated in California, trap unburned fuel and are more prone to collector fires, immediately following a quick shut down.
Anyway...I got to thinking (scary, I know).
The muffler rule is a great example of government bureaucracy. Rules and regulations that add cost, do little to address the problem, and create unintended consequences.
So in California, the sprint car teams are forced to run an ineffective muffler, that adds cost, and may cause fires. Brilliant!
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March 22, 2011 at
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Did you happen to notice that some of the non wing cars had 180 degree mufflers, those will really piss you off.
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March 23, 2011 at
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This message was edited on
March 23, 2011 at
07:13:42 AM by Sprinter 79
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Posted By: Hannity on March 22 2011 at 10:21:51 PM
I was at the Thunderbowl for Saturday's Outlaw race. I enjoyed the show!
During one of the red flags, at least two cars had header fires, or more specifically muffler fires. Johnny Gibson explained that the trap style mufflers, that are mandated in California, trap unburned fuel and are more prone to collector fires, immediately following a quick shut down.
Anyway...I got to thinking (scary, I know).
The muffler rule is a great example of government bureaucracy. Rules and regulations that add cost, do little to address the problem, and create unintended consequences.
So in California, the sprint car teams are forced to run an ineffective muffler, that adds cost, and may cause fires. Brilliant!
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I think that this might really be Hannity!  lol
You are correct my friend!!!!
Never hit stationary objects!
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March 23, 2011 at
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Actually, California had had a DB level rule for over the past 20 years at all fairground tracks. Cars used to run Supertrapps, but switched to the "box" type mufflers in an effort to save weight. And the mufllers are not ineffective - they meet the sound requirements mandated by the State.
And a fire hazard? Sorry, but a little unburned fuel is nota big deal, IMO. Much ado about nothing, methinks! Added cost, absolutely! - but teams were going to spend that money anyway!
Chuck.....
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March 23, 2011 at
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This message was edited on
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02:57:33 PM by Hannity
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Posted By: sprinter25 on March 23 2011 at 08:15:36 AM
Actually, California had had a DB level rule for over the past 20 years at all fairground tracks. Cars used to run Supertrapps, but switched to the "box" type mufflers in an effort to save weight. And the mufllers are not ineffective - they meet the sound requirements mandated by the State.
And a fire hazard? Sorry, but a little unburned fuel is nota big deal, IMO. Much ado about nothing, methinks! Added cost, absolutely! - but teams were going to spend that money anyway!
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I agree Sprinter25, this issue isn't a "show stopper", but I do think it's an example of government intrusion.
While the mufflers do satisfy the dB rule, they do little to reduce overall noise. I left the track after the Outlaw feature and could easily hear the 360's when I got back to the Hampton (about 3 miles from the track).
The dB rule also requires a state or local official to be present, along with special equipment, in order to measure the noise. Again, more cost, more bureaucracy! Isn't California broke?
Btw, one of the collector fires created enough excitement that they used an extinguisher to put it out.
It really isn't that big of deal, but again, it is an example of government intrusion and government waste, that adds cost, and can create some unintended consequences.
Don't worry, I'm not losing sleep over it!
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March 23, 2011 at
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Mufflers go back to the mid late 70s in nor cal. As many years as of racing I experienced with mufflers, I've never seen a muffler fire cause anything. I've seen guys get burned bad, and lotsa fires, but never from a muffler collecting fuel. Its a non factor. As far as DB rules, if they keep local communities on board to have a track nearby, I'll live with them..
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March 23, 2011 at
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As far as DB rules, if they keep local communities on board to have a track nearby, I'll live with them..
That was the main reason they started useing them, not because of some "government bureaucracy".
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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March 24, 2011 at
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Posted By: Hannity on March 22 2011 at 10:21:51 PM
I was at the Thunderbowl for Saturday's Outlaw race. I enjoyed the show!
During one of the red flags, at least two cars had header fires, or more specifically muffler fires. Johnny Gibson explained that the trap style mufflers, that are mandated in California, trap unburned fuel and are more prone to collector fires, immediately following a quick shut down.
Anyway...I got to thinking (scary, I know).
The muffler rule is a great example of government bureaucracy. Rules and regulations that add cost, do little to address the problem, and create unintended consequences.
So in California, the sprint car teams are forced to run an ineffective muffler, that adds cost, and may cause fires. Brilliant!
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Thats nothing,, As from the end of this year they have to be smogged...Lol...
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March 24, 2011 at
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I'll try and relate this subject to the video of Jason Meyers on this forum. No matter what the cost of a muffler it's not going to hurt 88% percent of the teams out there...the other 12% should find another hobby! Anyways, Meyers explained in his video that they use the 28 gallon tank on small tracks and 33 gallon on the 3/8 or bigger when more fuel is needed. If any team wanted to save money they would just run 33 gallon tanks and use less fuel on the smaller ones. But nope, since they have deep pockets they'll buy a bunch of stuff to save weight whenever/wherever they can....ridiculous!
I bet if there was an advertised $50,000 to win race on a 1/4 mile track and the feature was only 20 laps with no tank size mandated...half the teams would show up with 19 gallon tanks even if they cost $5,000 a piece.
do it in the dirt
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