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Another spanking last night. Better hope they all get back to the Grove ASAP so they can claim another victory. Since that is their only claim to fame.

There was no "mocking" ever intended. My point is simply Rahmer did not suffer a broke vertebrae (as someone else claimed) in which a driver would not be able to sit in the car (let alone drive it) for 2-4 weeks (and that would even be a miracle). Rahmer was back on the track within 7 days of the injury and getting around pretty well within 14 days of the injury. I'm simply pointing out this was not a career threatening injury that the false report of a broke vertebrae would result in.

But sure, take it as "mocking" if you would like... your judgment of others pretty much sums up all there is to say about you.

Never met a Posse fan I didn't like.... even the ones that stir up the pot in a message board are fine in my book; anyone passionate about sprint cars is a good thing. I really don't see the need for "name calling" in a message board; never seen a productive ridicule of other posters... never proves a point.

I've said it several times: Posse vs. WoO is great for the sport. Even though I wanted the streak to end at the Grove, I would have loved to have been there to feel the excitment when Hodnett took the lead in that last race! Had to have been one of the best crowds to have been a part of in a long time.

If the Posse was a traveling series, like the WoO, then where were the following drivers at Osky:

22-Greg Hodnett, 21-Brian Montieth, 87-Alan Krimes, 7-Chad Layton, 7m-Mark Smith, 48-Danny Dietrich, 71-Brian Leppo, 1-Stevie Smith, 19m-Brent Marks, 25-Aaron Ott, 0-Rick Lafferty, 15-Adam Wilt, 35-Justin Henderson, 93-Doug Esh, 11-Mike Erdley, 69k-Don Kreitz Jr, 88-Todd Shaffer?

I hope the PA POSSE SANCTION doesn't penalize them for not showing. Oh wait, it's not a sanction, it's not a professional series, it's a MADE UP NAME. The strongest argument for comparing "Posse" and "Outlaws": they both probably carried guns in old western movies. Now, I could see a comparison between PA drivers and Ohio's FAST series, or CA's GSC series, since they're both local/regional series.

If your gonna claim that PA drivers can't compete with the WoO, shouldn't at least one of the drivers leading track points in PA (Grove-Hodnett, Port-Layton, or Lincoln-Montieth, take your pick), actually BE at the race?

Who's flailing away? I agree: Posse has the best locals. I disagree: Posse is not better than WoO.

Congrats on the "Nationals best locals" championship. WoO still has more top 3, top 5, and top 10 over last six Posse vs. WoO @ The Grove events... facts are facts. Congrats on the winning streak; unprecedented and very impressive to upset the WoO 8 times in a row; no excuses from this fan... the best driver/car that night won each race... BUT, Posse hasn't "dominated" WoO even during the history setting streak... statistics don't lie. WoO as a group has outperformed Posse as a group during last 6 races of the streak while a Posse driver has went to victory lane.... PERIOD.

It isn't easy if you "leave home" and try to beat the best.

Isn't/wasn't Lucas Wolfe Posse?

He hasn't won in the two years he has run the WoO series.

It is NOT easy for any "local series driver" to leave home and beat the big boys.

TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!

LatshPA has some great points in here.

Just to clear the air a bit; most of the arguments (if not all) hold some validity to them. No doubt Dewease, Hodnett, Smith, Walker, Rahmer, etc. would run well if on the WoO tour. Are they going to win championships... doubt it, but they wouldn't run any different than any of the current WoO drivers sitting 4th - 15th in the standings either (already seen it from some of those above). On the same token, no doubt the same WoO boys 4th-15th would run just as good as the Posse on a weekly basis if they stayed in PA most of the year.

The only argument I have really had a dog in the fight on is the couple of Posse claims of "dominating" the WoO during the streak. A Posse driver has won 8 in a row and the Posse absolutely dominated the first two races of the streak (2008 I believe), but the last six have had more of a WoO flavor throughout the top 10. Hard to call the Posse dominate when WoO has more top 3's, more top 5's, and more top 10's.

And for the record: The Posse has the best local regular weekly winged 410 drivers in the country. I do not believe there is a comparison even close. That has never been an argument in which I have been against. Posse can drive and the winnning streak is impressive. IMO, the excuses by some WoO fans are just as ignorant as the "dominance" claimed by Posse during the streak; Posse drivers won on same track with same rules and same format. There are advantages on both sides of the fence, but results are results and facts are facts.

A Pennslyvania car led most of the race...

LMAO! Tell me "how I think" some more, please.... I'm dying to know!

As for Fred's 2007 injury condition; he was in the car and winning races less than 7 days after the fact. This was not a career threatening injury that you and BRR are claiming it to be. Was he hurt? I'm sure he was and I don't need anyone to explain how difficult it was for him to get around. Bottom line is he was driving the car less than a week after the accident.

PS - Love the "hammered a driver" out of context to make a lame point..... kinda like you "hammering a poster" out of context to make a lame point. I'll stand by my judgement of you as well. As for me not getting around good in 14 days after a broken tailbone... I completely agree... in fact, I seriously doubt I would be in a sprint car less than 7 days after suffering a broken tailbone.

Did Fred Rahmer break in hot laps and go home in 2007? Yes or No please. Thank you.

it is not my argument, but i will point something out. i remember just recently when Esh won in the R19 the posse called it their win because it was a posse driver. so when walker wins it is a cali win per posse rules. still we all know that posse rules are as consistent and hard to keep up with as your 'ol lady's period.

to indy and beyond!!

I love how this shit never gets old with some of you! lmao

That first paragraph is accurate. It's been proven both ways, Lucas Wolfe has run good with the WoO, but not quite as great as many from PA thought he might. Likewise, Daryn Pittman has run good at Williams Grove as a regular, but no better than he did when he showed up 5 times a year in the Titan car (blows a hole in some theories that all an WoO caliber driver needs is laps at Williams Grove to dominate on a regular basis). You can probably say, the top 4 in WoO points are the top 4 in the world. Obviously two of them have proven it over time, and the other two have been running good enough for long enough I think it's just a matter of time. However, after that, I think it's WIDE OPEN worldwide (don't forget Australia's got a driver or two) as too who is 5th best right now.

Also, remember, when your talking "the best", it's more than just the driver. Anyone who says crew chiefs are expendable didn't watch what happened after Lee Stauffer got 2-3 minutes to wrench on the #22 during the Summer Nationals(or simply forgets the difference between Steve Kinser with and without Karl Kinser). Honestly, I think drivers and mechanics should be mentioned in the same breath, each one is responsible for what happens and each earn their wins. Lee Stauffer doesn't win the National Open last year as a crew chief if Hodnett doesn't pedal back by Schatz on the cushion with about 10-12 to go. That was driver. Greg Hodnett doesn't win the summer nationals this year without the red that gave Lee the chance to make the adjustment he needed. Don't get me wrong, the driver ultimately has to drive the car, but lets not sit around and act like all cars/setups are equal.

Nobody knows the Posse rules. Not even the people in Pennsylvania.

IMO a driver who runs on most nights at Williams Grove, Lincoln or Port Royal is a Posse member. The 3 debatable drivers this year are Walker, Pittman and Henderson. Walker does run most nights and the team is based out of PA but who really knows. Pittman always runs at Williams Grove when he isn't running with the 13 team and Henderson has been a regular for about 2 years at both Grove and Port.

I wouldn't really consider Lucas Posse anymore only becuase he runs WoO. But then again some people are completly opposite from me and say that Lucas is Posse. It could go on and on foreverl. The point is that the haters on this board think nobody is Posse except for Dewease and Rahmer. I know bozos that were trying to convince me that Hodnett wasn't Posse because he was born in Memphis.

Can't wait for tommorow so all of this can stop.

....driven by a californian!

to indy and beyond!!

if dewease or rahmer came out to cali to race for a season, in a cali car, the posse would claim every win they might get out here. turn about is fair play. cali driver, cali rules! lol.

to indy and beyond!!

Does anyone know why pittman is not running the 27 car at knoxville? Do they not want to travel to the biggest race of the year? Don`t they have a motor for the track? Just wondering.

They run a bigger track almost every week, why would you think it would be an engine issue?

Uh....maybe because he doesn't run every week against the strong motors you are going to find tonight and tomorrow night! Put that Colt 45 down now!

TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!