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I went to the Sprint Bandits non-wing show at Devils Bowl last night. I hadn't seen non-wing out there in many years, possibly dating back to the late eighties. It was pretty much as awesome as I had remembered it being back then. There was actually competition in the heat races, not single file freight trains. The feature was awesome. Rilat led all of it, except for maybe one millisecond on the back straight when Bacon got beside him. It was fun and exciting to watch. I hope the Sprint Bandits non-wing series grows in popularity with the drivers and the fans. I'd certainly like to see more of it. Good show guys!

Yeah, I was there too. Best racing I have seen in YEARS! Local boy won too.

Did the show draw a decent crowd over there at the Bowl, hope so, I want to see this Sprint Bandit deal succeed.

I caught the show last night also. It was a good show. The entertainment value of the wingless sprints is far superior. I usually see a couple of wingless shows in Indiana during USAC sprint week. Wingless racing is even better on those quarter miles. I hope the Bandits return to the area. Seeing them at Cowtown would be quite a spectacle.

The attendance did not look to great. It was certainly less than an ASCS show. The 50/50 drawing winner took home only $112 to give you an idea of the crowd. However, it seems to be difficult to draw a large crowd on Friday nights in the D/FW area. It takes a long time to travel thru the traffic on a Friday night.

If the ASCS sooner region did not have a show at Muskogee last night I would have guessed there might have been a few more cars. What should be a good race is tonight at Little Rock. I had gone to at least one sprint bandit race since it started. I can not get enough of them.

There is a track here in Oklahoma that is trying to start a weekly non wing class.

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I agree, great racing. The finish of heat race 2 is as good as they get. Hockett won and the only time he was in the lead was at the finish line.

Crowd was small but we were out at 10:05. Only two yellow flags all night.

You know i was at Houston Raceway Park and saw the best race in TnT history. It was fun and exciting but there is no way i would perfer nonwing over wing cars .Yall talk about the heat races being close and exciting but when you have some of the sports best racers starting near the back it is fun to watch them work their way up. Isn't it the same in a wing but faster cars more side by side racing ,watching cars move up from the back. Being able not to predict the winner in every race is another reason i like wing racing ,unlike nonwing. Just my opinion.

How many non wing races have you attended? Any sprint car race is exciting but I have been to too many follow the leader wing races, especially heat races, to agree with you. The feature last night is a good example. It took 18 laps for the leader to catch the first lapped car. I have seen winged races at Devils Bowl where the leader gets in lapped traffic by the 8th lap. With a wing if you are setup right you just mash the gas an don't let up. Without a wing that is not possible equaling much closer racing.

If you check the finish of a WOO race vs a USAC race you will see that the winner in a WOO race comes from the first three rows 92% of the time while USAC winner comes from the first three rows 78% of the time. I don't know how you can predict the winner based on those percentages.

I dont think it matters how many nonwing races ive been to. I can say i went to the best race ever seen in nonwing action. I have never been to a non wing race prior to HRP and i told my friends that it was going to be between 4 cars and what happaned . Did i get lucky on that or is this series just so predictable.Its too predictable. I bet u anything that the series will came down to the #50,#75,#99,#81. Those will be the top 4, Take the bet?

Ive seen winged cars catch lapped traffic wihin 4 laps but that is when it gets fun. Its all about the setup in every car ,no matter what car your driving. Travis Rilat led the entire race untill the red came out in HRP. Made a couple of changes to the car and finished fourth and even admited the setup was wrong

And your WOO comment, most of the time there are about 4 cars that win the races and usually those cars are on the front rows. Thats why i can't stand the WOO

"best non wing race ever seen" Were you at Kokomo for the sprint week race in 2007. It was much better than the race you saw. Sprint Bandits is a new series and most of the drivers you saw are still learning to drive without the wing. The drivers of the 99, 81, and 75 have all driven in USAC races against much tougher competition and have the experience.

I love sprint car racing and have seen my share of races in the past 50 years, in fact the first Knoxville nats I saw was in 1963, non wing by the way, and in my top10 races ever only three are wing races.

I think we will agree to disagree but I recommend that if you have a chance to attend Indiana Sprint week in July don't pass on it. Once you go you will be hooked.

$112 50-50 drawing. Either tightwads or an empty grandstand. I'll take mine winged. Last non-wing was that California sprint organization that was the first night of a 3 niter at Eagle about 15 years ago, before the Fri &Sat WoO shows. I just didn't care for the cars to be sideways almost at the finish line on each lap. Looked like drifting on dirt. They were sideways for half of each lap on this 1/3'd mile track.

An article in NSSN about a USAC show in North Carolina early this year (Stock car country for sure) in which the NSSN staff writer in attendance said he counted about 100 in the stands. It was a show that USAC funded/promoted, etc. Forget the name of the place. BUT, if we didn't have winged races here and instead had non-winged, I'd be there every weekend. Its racing.

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I can say i went to the best race ever seen in nonwing action.

MacTexas is right, and you can "say" whatever you want; but if you'd have seen the race's that I've seen at Ascot, Manzy, and other tracks since I was a baby at old Carroll Speedway, you my friend would have to agree. Not to put down TnT, but when you've seen the CRA boy's tangle with the USAC guy's for as many years years as some of us have (up till this merger) you'd know how silly that statement was.

This was Manzy, a real Sprint car track! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZqGbrj87Jk

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The only place i might consider traveling a great distance would be knoxville ,and the only reason i say that is because of the huge car count they bring at the nationals. When i say the best race in TnT history, all i'm doing is repeating what i've heard from broadcasters and people who have been around it much longer than me.

There are 4 cars your forgeting one ,the#50 who has won a few races in the nonwing over the years.,but we don't disagree on the fact that this race is predictable. The car count isn't there so when they do race you already no who is going to be there at the end.

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Things may be a little different at HRP, which is 1/4 mile. Devils Bowl is 1/2 mile, which makes a big difference. With most ASCS heat races, the running order coming out of turn 1 on the first lap is probably your finishing order at the end. If someone doesn't make a move going into the first turn, then the cars get strung out and single file. Take the wings off and unload those cars from the track a good bit and that changes things. Once the Bowl dries out and takes a little rubber then things get better. I love ASCS too, but I could sleep through the heat races. Sometimes their features are pretty good though. I think you'll find that most fans who have seen both styles on multiple tracks, and have been around the sport awhile, will definetly prefer non-wing.

How right you are about Indiana sprint week.And Kokomo has to be some of the best weekly racing in the country from the racing to getting the show done and not jacking around. I will go to all type of sprint car races,360,wing,non-wing but the last few wing shows i seen at Osky,Williams Grove, Volusia,East bay about the only excitement all nite was the start of the races and the drag race to the 1st turn .Last 4 wing races i have seen i have not seen 1 pass for the lead.Maybe just bad luck on my part but that is what i see a majority of the time on the big tracks that is why i like the little bullring's for better racing.

If can tell me why non wing drivers go on to the "big time", and very, very, few of the winged guy's do, I will. And it's not about pavement either. When you look at that video from Manzy, watch the car control that Coon's has on that big fast track. He's steering with the gas and the feel of the car, not pointing the car, and then gassing it.

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wow another wing, non-wing debate based on few facts,,

I have seen great races on both, and I think more often than not the format or race event leads to the many passes more than the wing/non.

I believe one reason many non wing races have more passes and are closer is because they are so slow, watch a hornet race sometime,, and another there is huge difference in quality equipment and experience of driver, while the top ten WOO or ASCS wing guys have very similar

Even at knoxville where so many say its just mash the gas and point, they evidently do not notice the brakes glowing as the driver is doing everything he can to hold the car hooked up and biting forward, not just scrubbing off 40 mph by letting off the throttle around half the straightway

OK, brake, and then point and gas on a 1/2 mile like Knoxville. LOL

So many time's the winged guy's say what good close racing they have on the small tracks, and I say "If you put 22 pigs on a small track, you'll have some good nose to tail racing".

I've never said that "wings suck", but the modified Sprinter is just a different form of racing than a lot of us "few fact's" kind of guy's prefer.

Watch Balou's nasty ride in the Manzy Video, and then this one of Hockett http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce2SMtDdVZU and then be sure the next time you see them in the pit's to tell them to stop driving those non wing cars, because there just to slow. I think you might just hear a few "fact's" then.

Oh!, And be sure to turn the sound up on Hockettt, so you can hear him "letting off the throttle around half the straightway"..

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