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February 08, 2010 at
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It looks like it will tough to beat the two Top Notch teams this season.At first, I thought it was neat to have Stewart and Kahne involved with Sprint Cars. Now I am not so sure. What is everyone's opinion???
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February 08, 2010 at
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speed cost $ how fast do u want to go
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February 08, 2010 at
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The topic of "David & Goliath" will always linger on.
The well-funded teams will be an easy target if they continue to win night in and out... but I think it's important to remember that the drivers with the Nascar-affiliated teams were winning before they joined their current gig.
Schatz won in the family car.
Kinser won... everything... ever... in his own and Karl's car.
Saldana won in a variety of rides. Not as much... but definitely won.
Former drivers like Lasoski, Dollansky, etc. won before and after their "big Nascar team" experience.
Maybe the Kahne/Stewart team does a good job of hiring drivers!!!! (Stewart didn't do so well last year with one...)
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February 08, 2010 at
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To me the only real thing the Nascar guys have brought to sprint car
racing is a little bit of publicity. That's not a bad thing at all,
but they haven't really had much effect on number of cars on the tour.
Donnie and Steve were there before and would be there now even without
Stewart. Joey was there before Kahne came along. He might be a little
more comfortable now but I bet he would still be racing even without
Kasey. Dollansky was in and now out but is still racing. It would be
one thing if Tony and Kasey split the money up and put 4 or 5 teams
each on the road but that's not going to happen. Last year they didn't
add any cars that wouldn't have been there anyway. This year possibly
one with Darrah.
I'm not saying they're bad for the sport but I certainly wouldn't
call them saviors either. It wouldn't be much different without them
in my opinion. We'd still end up with 10 cars or so running all the
races just like its always been. The same 4-5 drivers would still be
the favorites every night. I just don't see that much has changed since Tony and Kasey got in. My opinion of course.
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February 08, 2010 at
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I guess I am asking the question from a different angle, publicity for the sport we love can't hurt. But I was looking at it from $$$ spent perspective. I just hope they don't turn the WoO into Nascar where realistically only the top teams have any chance of winning a race because of dollars spent. Although certain drivers have dominated over the years, there was always an outside chance that a local driver could pull off an upset win. I hope that at the end of the year that the TSR and KKR teams don't win 99% of the races and the middle of the road WoO drivers are running for 5th place every night!
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February 08, 2010 at
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The Outlaw teams were spending a ton of money on the road before Tony and Kasey came along. I have never heard anyone say that they have changed the game. All of the teams have first class tow rigs. All of the teams have mulitple cars. All of the teams have multiple engines in the haulers. I am not sure that anything has changed.
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February 08, 2010 at
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It depends on how you look at it as to money helping the sport. More exposure means more sponsors, which means more money, which means more technology, which means more speed, which means more wins. That sounds great for the people that get it, but it in the bigger picture it could be hurting the sport. It creates a tier system that can't be overcome. Back in the day a guy could work a 9 to 5 and be a good mechanic and still win races. Now you can't do that. So unless you can get that big sponsor you can't drive long enough to develop skills. If guys like Bobby Allen were trying to race today they would be screwed(and he is one of the brightest minds this sport has ever seen). Hell guys like Rich Bubak used to run with the Outlaws. Big money has brought the little shade tree racers to a stand still. So in my opinion you can keep the big money and give me the guys that are just willing to work their ass off to do something they love. Not the guys that just get money to buy more horsepower. I have said this before, but maybe I am just to old school.
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February 08, 2010 at
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I like the fact the KKR is giving an opportunity for young drivers like Brad Sweet & Cody Darrah and Usac drivers in the past (excluding Joey). TSR seems to hire the top drivers to continue the dominance for both WoO and USAC. TSR is helping out Jessica Zemken this year but I have not heard a thing on this since the World Finals ... so I'm not sure the level of support.
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February 08, 2010 at
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Posted By: Oppermanfan on February 08 2010 at 12:39:45 PM
It depends on how you look at it as to money helping the sport. More exposure means more sponsors, which means more money, which means more technology, which means more speed, which means more wins. That sounds great for the people that get it, but it in the bigger picture it could be hurting the sport. It creates a tier system that can't be overcome. Back in the day a guy could work a 9 to 5 and be a good mechanic and still win races. Now you can't do that. So unless you can get that big sponsor you can't drive long enough to develop skills. If guys like Bobby Allen were trying to race today they would be screwed(and he is one of the brightest minds this sport has ever seen). Hell guys like Rich Bubak used to run with the Outlaws. Big money has brought the little shade tree racers to a stand still. So in my opinion you can keep the big money and give me the guys that are just willing to work their ass off to do something they love. Not the guys that just get money to buy more horsepower. I have said this before, but maybe I am just to old school.
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Opp, couldn't have said it better myself. I tend to lean toward your way of thinking. I believe that is what has made the WoO last this long. There was always HOPE for the little guy to acheive success against the bigger Outlaw teams. Let's face it racing Sprint cars is expensive, no one is disputing that fact. Hopefully these teams are not using WIND TUNNELS, using one off engines, having 10 men crews etc. I truly believe that is why Nascar is losing fans. The top few teams are just spending unbelivable amounts of $$$. They use to say a $1 million dollar a year sponsorship would put you near the top of the WoO. Wonder what the two Nascar WoO teams are now spending a year????
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February 08, 2010 at
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I think it's good that they came bakk to their roots but it makes it really hard for teams other than those 2 to win a race.
I'd rather be in Knoxville.
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February 08, 2010 at
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Tony and Kasey, because of their NASCAR fame, have access to much more money than any other car on the tour...in my opinion.
They are quickly separating themselves from the others.
Yes, Meyers ran second last year but I think you will see a domination from "NASCAR" financed teams in the years ahead.
Now, if the money were coming out of THEIR OWN POCKET it would be a totally different story!
I'm amazed someone like Sides can stay out there and be competitive when you compare his budget to that of the "super" teams!
TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!
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February 08, 2010 at
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If there ain't nothing to beitch about, I ain't gonna beitch about anything. Its just fine. Nothing's changed. Money is the name of the game in every racing series. Look at the new U.S. F1 team---gonna be back-benchers for sure but who cares as long as they are filling the field and putting on a good show for the fans that buy the tickets. Here in NODAK country, the fans will always fill up the grandstands, except on the big half-mile in Fargo----soon to be a 3/8 mile and hope to H they get a date for it.
Adding $6 trillion of debt in his 1st term and now if
elected again he wouldn't have to worry about an
electorate in 2016 so the sky is the limit.And his EPA
would continue to put the screws to oil drilling and
mining for coal.Can you say bankruptcy.
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February 08, 2010 at
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it is about MONEY nascar teams may bring some new technology,but it is just money it may be from a diffrent source that is all
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February 09, 2010 at
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If these guys gave 2 shits about Sprint Car racing they would add their $ to the payout.
They could still fund the race teams. But the only way they can possibly help racing is to up the payout.
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February 09, 2010 at
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Jason Sides is so good is because he has got Doug "stanking" Rankin workin turning the wrenches. He is like Karl Kinser with rec-specs and big hair.
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February 09, 2010 at
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Posted By: origopnwhlr on February 08 2010 at 05:16:57 PM
Tony and Kasey, because of their NASCAR fame, have access to much more money than any other car on the tour...in my opinion.
They are quickly separating themselves from the others.
Yes, Meyers ran second last year but I think you will see a domination from "NASCAR" financed teams in the years ahead.
Now, if the money were coming out of THEIR OWN POCKET it would be a totally different story!
I'm amazed someone like Sides can stay out there and be competitive when you compare his budget to that of the "super" teams!
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Exactly!!! (well put) I'm kind of tired of hearing how much Tony and Kasey "spend" on their teams. They don't spend anything. They're business partners (sponsors/advertisers) do. Yes, they made it to the top teir which trickles down and allows them to achieve this amount of funding but what are you going to do? Luckily, and hopefully they will stay in the game for years to come and keep giving guys oppurtunities to stay on the road so you, I , us , we, can enjoy the show!
do it in the dirt
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February 09, 2010 at
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Just imagine this.
Jeffy-Poo could pick up the phone, call Pepsi, and have a top-notch team out there in 60 days.....IF he wanted to! ![Frown](http://www.hoseheadforums.com/images/Main/mad2_100x100.gif)
Can any of the other teams out there do that? I don't think so!
TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!
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February 09, 2010 at
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YOUR ALL FULL OF SH1T Kasey ran the 9 team strictly out of his pocket for three years because of what he loves!! It is after his fame that he can get the sponsorship needed like anyone else can do if they are in the right position!! be happy he is putting it in the sprint cars so we can enjoy!!
Where is Jeff Gordan's money going??
Kasey also has built an empire in the shop and employees a great assest. He employs how many people to make this happen not just the family which in it's term is a great person doing whats best for the family.
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February 09, 2010 at
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February 09, 2010 at
05:55:36 PM by origopnwhlr
Ofcourse, he did! ![Frown](http://www.hoseheadforums.com/images/Main/mad2_100x100.gif)
(prettywoman, you have such a way with words...sorta brings tears to my eyes!)
TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!
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February 13, 2010 at
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Kasey and Tony are what we all should encourage in our sport Profesionally looking and well ran teams. Having seen Kasey grow up I can assure you they always ran a top notch profesional apearing operation with good equiptment and it wasn't from cubic dollars it was from desire and hard work, really hard work.Great bussiness operations always seem to keep good people usually people that helped make the bussiness successful from the get go. They are both examples of this. As for cubic dollars making things happen I will never forget having lunch with my dad and Carl K and Carl commenting to the fact that he probbably didn't exactly help the sport from all the rich moneys no object car owners he sent packin by having their stuff handed to them nightly by some normal guys from Indiana. Money helps but brains win over $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ everytime. KKR & TSR might have both not to mention desire and passion, be damm happy we have the both of them.............
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