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January 31, 2010 at
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January 31, 2010 at
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Who should be higher?
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| Donny Schatz |
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| Steve Kinser |
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SprintCar & Midget: The top winged 410 sprint car drivers of the decade
(Win totals from Open Wheel Times search engine, 1/1/2000-12/31/2009, 410w)
- Donny Schatz: 155 wins (113 WoO wins), 4 WoO championships, 4 Knoxville Nationals, $5-$6M earnings
- Steve Kinser: 159 wins (147 WoO wins), 5 WoO championships, 2 Knoxville Nationals
- Danny Lasoski: 133 wins (88 WoO), 1 WoO championship, 1 NST championship, 3 Knoxville Nationals
- Fred Rahmer: 174 wins (most from midpack, NOT front row like WoO), 14 track titles
- Joey Saldana: 84 wins (annihilated by Posse most of career, no exception here)
- Lance Dewease: 114 wins (midpack start/Posse competition factor), 5 track titles, 2 National Open
- Greg Hodnett: 121 wins (midpack start/Posse competition factor), decimated Outlaws in 2009)
- Terry McCarl: 117 wins, 5 Knoxville titles, 3 Huset's titles (might be higher if not for midwest handicap)
- Jason Meyers: 56 wins
- Daryn Pittman: 50 wins
- Craig Dollansky: 63 wins (should be in front of Pittman)
- Tim Kaeding: 91 wins, (might be higher if not for California handicap)
- Mark Kinser: 44 WoO wins
- Dale Blaney: 54 wins
- Slammin' Sammy: 44 wins
- Tim Shaffer: 45 wins
- Danny Smith: 94 wins
- Ed Lynch Jr: 124 wins
- Stevie Smith: 43 wins
- Jac Haudenschild: 25 wins
- Todd Shaffer: 60 wins, 6 track championships (should be higher)
- Jonathan Allard: 51 wins
- Jeff Shepard: 45 wins
- Mark Dobmeier: 129 wins, 3 track championships at Huset's (should be higher if not for midwest handicap)
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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January 31, 2010 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 31 2010 at 07:18:47 AM
SprintCar & Midget: The top winged 410 sprint car drivers of the decade
(Win totals from Open Wheel Times search engine, 1/1/2000-12/31/2009, 410w)
- Donny Schatz: 155 wins (113 WoO wins), 4 WoO championships, 4 Knoxville Nationals, $5-$6M earnings
- Steve Kinser: 159 wins (147 WoO wins), 5 WoO championships, 2 Knoxville Nationals
- Danny Lasoski: 133 wins (88 WoO), 1 WoO championship, 1 NST championship, 3 Knoxville Nationals
- Fred Rahmer: 174 wins (most from midpack, NOT front row like WoO), 14 track titles
- Joey Saldana: 84 wins (annihilated by Posse most of career, no exception here)
- Lance Dewease: 114 wins (midpack start/Posse competition factor), 5 track titles, 2 National Open
- Greg Hodnett: 121 wins (midpack start/Posse competition factor), decimated Outlaws in 2009)
- Terry McCarl: 117 wins, 5 Knoxville titles, 3 Huset's titles (might be higher if not for midwest handicap)
- Jason Meyers: 56 wins
- Daryn Pittman: 50 wins
- Craig Dollansky: 63 wins (should be in front of Pittman)
- Tim Kaeding: 91 wins, (might be higher if not for California handicap)
- Mark Kinser: 44 WoO wins
- Dale Blaney: 54 wins
- Slammin' Sammy: 44 wins
- Tim Shaffer: 45 wins
- Danny Smith: 94 wins
- Ed Lynch Jr: 124 wins
- Stevie Smith: 43 wins
- Jac Haudenschild: 25 wins
- Todd Shaffer: 60 wins, 6 track championships (should be higher)
- Jonathan Allard: 51 wins
- Jeff Shepard: 45 wins
- Mark Dobmeier: 129 wins, 3 track championships at Huset's (should be higher if not for midwest handicap)
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I think your yellow highlights should read "might be higher if not for Pennsylvania handicap," considering most of those drivers wouldn't have had near the success they did if they were running against the best night in and night out.
And most from midpack? Sure. It pays to pass PA weekly drivers who are grinding it out, compared to passing guys who can drive and with the best equipment in the world on a variety of tracks.
But, keep spinning it how you want. That's fine.
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January 31, 2010 at
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on January 31 2010 at 08:07:55 AM
I think your yellow highlights should read "might be higher if not for Pennsylvania handicap," considering most of those drivers wouldn't have had near the success they did if they were running against the best night in and night out.
And most from midpack? Sure. It pays to pass PA weekly drivers who are grinding it out, compared to passing guys who can drive and with the best equipment in the world on a variety of tracks.
But, keep spinning it how you want. That's fine.
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Notching three out of the top seven says otherwise. If the Outlaws wouldn't have broken sprint car racing to the point where Central PA was the only local place left that can somewhat afford to do it, they would be even more disadvantaged. Starting at the rear of heats and midpack in the feature 100+ times a year a racer makes...time trial specialists need not apply.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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January 31, 2010 at
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What is this, a post from a 13 year-old, "my daddy's stronger than your daddy, wa wa wa wa". Posse competition factor". The self-serving editing is downright funny.
Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL - NYC, Detroit, Chicago,
Seattle, LA Who the H runs those cities.
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January 31, 2010 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 31 2010 at 08:48:21 AM
Notching three out of the top seven says otherwise. If the Outlaws wouldn't have broken sprint car racing to the point where Central PA was the only local place left that can somewhat afford to do it, they would be even more disadvantaged. Starting at the rear of heats and midpack in the feature 100+ times a year a racer makes...time trial specialists need not apply.
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You can think what you want, but if you are under the impression that Rahmer, Hodnett, Dewease, and Posse Etc. would put up the same numbers running full Outlaw tour, then you're incredibly delusional. Nothing more needs to be said.
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January 31, 2010 at
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This has the usual posse spin from the usual voice of the posse. Consider these guys:
Chad Kemenah: (alternate ???) 46 wins including 2 wins during PA speed week in 2009; consecutive All Star championships in 02,03,04, and 05; 3 WoO wins; 2006 WoO rookie of the year; Ohio Speed Week Champion in 2002
Brooke Tatnell: (unless this is just for Americans) 54 wins including wins against several different series in the US and against weekly competition at Knoxville; Aussie Champ in 05, 06, and 07; World Series Sprintcar Champ in 00, 01, 06, 08, and 09; Warnambool Classic winner in 2009
Brent Kaeding: 52 wins; King of California in 01, 03, and 2007
Byron Reed: 38 wins including 5 against the early 2000's All Stars; 5 Attica track championships and 3 Fremont track championships cannot go unnoticed if you consider the REDICULOUS inclusion of Mark Dobmeier. in my opinion the weekly competition in Northern Ohio rivals only that of Central Pa., thus making Reeds accomplishments far more impressive then dominating a decade at Husets
A slackjawed yokel once told me, "I am assuming your
just some niave broad who likes to shoot her mouth off
so I will give you a pass just this once on your
dipshit comments."
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January 31, 2010 at
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on January 31 2010 at 09:03:48 AM
You can think what you want, but if you are under the impression that Rahmer, Hodnett, Dewease, and Posse Etc. would put up the same numbers running full Outlaw tour, then you're incredibly delusional. Nothing more needs to be said.
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Let me know when the Outlaws leading feature winner Saldana doesn't have to use a provisional every time he comes to Central PA anymore.
"If this thing is anywhere in the top ten it's going in victory lane" - Donny Schatz at the 2009 Williams Grove National Open
2009: Posse 4, Outlaws 0
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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January 31, 2010 at
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Let me know how many Posse wins were against the Outlaws in this decade and THEN let me know how many of those wins were NOT at Williams Grove, lmao!!! The Posse raced them hundreds and hundreds of times (as a group) and produced how many wins??? Somebody please do the calculations and this guy will likely be never heard from again.
One track wonders against real competition and mid pack wins against weakly competition, anyone with a half a brain knows the reality of this deal and the rest live in PA. Nice timing tho', Florida has embarassed the Posse for a long time now and it will likely continue the next few weeks. Neutral ground is the last two words this man ever wants to hear because it's brutal for the Posse and their cheerleaders. Take It Easy....
PS If anyone bothers to do the calculating and posts it first I will gladly send them some photo souvenirs from this decade, should be a fun project....
PPS When doing the above research we'll see about what Joey Saldana has done against the Posse on neutral ground, especially Florida, it will make somebody look REAL foolish after a moronic comment like above....
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January 31, 2010 at
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Posted By: MSPN on January 31 2010 at 09:48:09 AM
Let me know how many Posse wins were against the Outlaws in this decade and THEN let me know how many of those wins were NOT at Williams Grove, lmao!!! The Posse raced them hundreds and hundreds of times (as a group) and produced how many wins??? Somebody please do the calculations and this guy will likely be never heard from again.
One track wonders against real competition and mid pack wins against weakly competition, anyone with a half a brain knows the reality of this deal and the rest live in PA. Nice timing tho', Florida has embarassed the Posse for a long time now and it will likely continue the next few weeks. Neutral ground is the last two words this man ever wants to hear because it's brutal for the Posse and their cheerleaders. Take It Easy....
PS If anyone bothers to do the calculating and posts it first I will gladly send them some photo souvenirs from this decade, should be a fun project....
PPS When doing the above research we'll see about what Joey Saldana has done against the Posse on neutral ground, especially Florida, it will make somebody look REAL foolish after a moronic comment like above....
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Senility must be a bitch...posse has won quite a few races in Florida, Charlotte and Knoxville in recent years. Nice 9th place finish at Ocala for Schatz, racing in Australia all winter really paid dividends. Maybe he will be up to speed with Rahmer (4th) or rookie Cale Conley by the end of Florida speed week...
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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January 31, 2010 at
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January 31, 2010 at
10:55:58 AM by rj5150
handicap......what a load of crap! You know 3 friends and i were really thinking of trying to hit the Penn.Speed-week this year, but after listening to this self righteous diatribe being rambled on here we might have to think otherwise! You guy's really know how to alienate yourself. Being from Cali. and wanting to check out the PA.Posse scene had seemed like a fun idea, but now were definitely thinking otherwise. I could only imagine being in fisticuffs with some of these wankers on here, because of the their pompous attitudes. We were looking forward to meeting some of the beer-hill gang, but instead a few of the self righteous one's have made that seem nearly impossible because of their loathing towards other racing areas in this country. Now we may just have to hit Lerneville(since you guys don't consider it Posse territory) for the Don Martin, Kings Royal and the Brad Doty instead and spend are money elsewhere.
Kinda of bummer since we were looking forward to possibly seeing some Posse racing out there to see what all the fuss was about. Oh well at least we will see ALL the regions of the country represented when were at the Nationals again this year.
Trophy Cup......Best race of the year hands down!
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January 31, 2010 at
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numbers using the same time frame:
Florida
Rahmer: 59 races; 3 wins; avg finish: 11th
Dewease: 71 races; 4 wins; avg finish: 10th
Hodnett: 75 races; 2 wins; avg finish: 11th
S. Smith: 15 races; 1 win; avg finish: 8th
Shaffer: 6 races; 0 wins; avg finish: 12th
Shepard: 46 races; 2 wins; avg finish: 11th
Saldana: 62 races; 10 wins; avg finish: 7th
where's my prize?
A slackjawed yokel once told me, "I am assuming your
just some niave broad who likes to shoot her mouth off
so I will give you a pass just this once on your
dipshit comments."
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January 31, 2010 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 31 2010 at 07:18:47 AM
SprintCar & Midget: The top winged 410 sprint car drivers of the decade
(Win totals from Open Wheel Times search engine, 1/1/2000-12/31/2009, 410w)
- Donny Schatz: 155 wins (113 WoO wins), 4 WoO championships, 4 Knoxville Nationals, $5-$6M earnings
- Steve Kinser: 159 wins (147 WoO wins), 5 WoO championships, 2 Knoxville Nationals
- Danny Lasoski: 133 wins (88 WoO), 1 WoO championship, 1 NST championship, 3 Knoxville Nationals
- Fred Rahmer: 174 wins (most from midpack, NOT front row like WoO), 14 track titles
- Joey Saldana: 84 wins (annihilated by Posse most of career, no exception here)
- Lance Dewease: 114 wins (midpack start/Posse competition factor), 5 track titles, 2 National Open
- Greg Hodnett: 121 wins (midpack start/Posse competition factor), decimated Outlaws in 2009)
- Terry McCarl: 117 wins, 5 Knoxville titles, 3 Huset's titles (might be higher if not for midwest handicap)
- Jason Meyers: 56 wins
- Daryn Pittman: 50 wins
- Craig Dollansky: 63 wins (should be in front of Pittman)
- Tim Kaeding: 91 wins, (might be higher if not for California handicap)
- Mark Kinser: 44 WoO wins
- Dale Blaney: 54 wins
- Slammin' Sammy: 44 wins
- Tim Shaffer: 45 wins
- Danny Smith: 94 wins
- Ed Lynch Jr: 124 wins
- Stevie Smith: 43 wins
- Jac Haudenschild: 25 wins
- Todd Shaffer: 60 wins, 6 track championships (should be higher)
- Jonathan Allard: 51 wins
- Jeff Shepard: 45 wins
- Mark Dobmeier: 129 wins, 3 track championships at Huset's (should be higher if not for midwest handicap)
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Just curious.
What exactly do you consider the "midwest handicap"?
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January 31, 2010 at
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Cubic-How does a racer racing in is own state handicap him? How is it any different than the Posse staying in PA? We have small tracks, you have big tracks! At least our drivers have gone out to race in other series and do well! How many wins does the Posse have at tracks outside of PA versus the WoO?
I have to agree with Rj5150 that I really don't have any desire to go visit Posse country because of the way you think you are soo much better than other areas of the country! I went to Lernerville a few years back and really enjoyed myself- oh but wait- that isn't a Posee track even though it is in PA!
TK having a CA handicap is pretty funny! Why not put Jason Meyers having a CA handicap too because he also got his start racing here and still races here when he has time!
Looking forward to the new Golden State King of the
West series schedule!
Winged sprintcars = the fastest and most exciting
racecars on dirt!
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January 31, 2010 at
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Tarah, email me your home address or phone number and we will figure something out. How would you like to do Lasoski, Dollansky and McCarl as well for some bonus pics?
Joey has more wins by himself that Rahmer, Dewease and Hodnett combined, AMAZING, lol. When some more stats come out I will hope that somebody knows cubic well enough to put him on a 911 wacth, he's gonna need it. Take It Easy.....
PS [email protected] or [email protected]
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Posted By: shorthair on January 31 2010 at 11:10:02 AM
Just curious.
What exactly do you consider the "midwest handicap"?
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midwest handicap=questionable competition.
proof=McCarl with 117 wins and 8 titles ranked behind Hodnett.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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January 31, 2010 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 31 2010 at 11:17:39 AM
midwest handicap=questionable competition.
proof=McCarl with 117 wins and 8 titles ranked behind Hodnett.
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So you are actually saying his win total is higher since he had questionable competition?
If he would have competition like the outlaws or posse on weekly basis, his win total would have been a lot lower?
If this is what you are saying, I totally agree with you.
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January 31, 2010 at
12:53:31 PM by Tarah Way
Florida
Rahmer: 59 races; 3 wins; avg finish: 11th
Dewease: 71 races; 4 wins; avg finish: 10th
Hodnett: 75 races; 2 wins; avg finish: 11th
S. Smith: 15 races; 1 win; avg finish: 8th
Shaffer: 6 races; 0 wins; avg finish: 12th
Shepard: 46 races; 2 wins; avg finish: 11th
Saldana: 62 races; 10 wins; avg finish: 7th
Lasoski: 69 races; 16 wins; avg finish: 7th
Dollansky: 71 races; 4 wins; avg finish: 8th
McCarl: 66 races; 7 wins ; avg finish: 9th
Bonus
Schatz: 21 races; 8 wins; avg finish: 5th
A slackjawed yokel once told me, "I am assuming your
just some niave broad who likes to shoot her mouth off
so I will give you a pass just this once on your
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January 31, 2010 at
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Posted By: Tarah Way on January 31 2010 at 11:40:21 AM
Florida
Rahmer: 59 races; 3 wins; avg finish: 11th
Dewease: 71 races; 4 wins; avg finish: 10th
Hodnett: 75 races; 2 wins; avg finish: 11th
S. Smith: 15 races; 1 win; avg finish: 8th
Shaffer: 6 races; 0 wins; avg finish: 12th
Shepard: 46 races; 2 wins; avg finish: 11th
Saldana: 62 races; 10 wins; avg finish: 7th
Lasoski: 69 races; 16 wins; avg finish: 7th
Dollansky: 71 races; 4 wins; avg finish: 8th
McCarl: 66 races; 7 wins ; avg finish: 9th
Bonus
Schatz: 21 races; 8 wins; avg finish: 5th
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Good job Tarah!
These guys combined have less starts and 2.33 times as wins.
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January 31, 2010 at
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You folks need to read the article on how they came up with the list. Personally, I like the list as it stands.
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Consistency has to be the first criteria.
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