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Aww look its a pennsylvania pussy right now

Uh huh, the Knoxville record IS posted when they go straight up with the Posse on neutral ground and it ain't pretty if you're a Posse cheerleader, is it!

The fact that he has more wins than the big 3 COMBINED is all one needs to know, lol. How about the other half dozen and some nights more than that who also have from Posseville as well? Lord, it's so easy talkin' Florida, nice timing cubic. By the way, have there been any bridge jumpers reported in Central PA this afternoon, sure haven't seen cubic embarassing himself much lately. Take It Easy...

PS When does the pay per view thing start for Florida, this has me interested enough to sign right up, thanks again Cubic....

The only race track that the posse can beat the outlaws is at Williams Grove...the Knoxville guys dont sit at Knoxville and try to beat the outlaws just at Knoxville unlike the posse cause the Knoxville guys want to go out and beat the outlaws any where and every where. Cause the Knoxville guys realize its honor to beat the best (outlaws).

oh...i get it Lasoski is not an outlaw in FloriDuh?

...that might explain why he gets BOOed at Kville!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Good job Bill!

I personally didn't want to call out Mr. Ellis, but it is a very biased poll, thank you very much.

Everyone is talking about how their regulars beat the outlaws or this region or that region, well Cali drivers do it too. Just off the top of my head: Tim Kaeding beat them as a regular at Hanford before hitting the road. Jason Statler beat them at Santa Maria. Brent Kaeding beat them at several California tracks that I know of. Jonathon Allard beat them at Chico. Our regulars have NOTHING to prove to anyone. Our record stands as a tough ass place to race.

I've been to Knoxville and its a great venue and neat little town. The people love sprint car racing and that already makes me feel welcome. I always enjoy going there, a good time is had by all. Good racers and furious racing.

I've never been to Ohio but intend to go, I have watched many videos and they have some fierce racing. I bet the people are damn nice too.

PA is on my radar too, of course that's a long haul from the coastline of California but I aim to make it there soon. I bet most the fans are a blast. I'm not heading there to drool on the "hollowed ground" but rather just watch good racing like I am already accustomed to out here in Cali. We only have 1 big track out here and its nice to mix it up from my bullring passion.

As for the stats and rankings the thing that makes me chuckle is Mark Kinser being so low on the list, 44 wins against the outlaws was a showing of skill few have brought to the table. Whipping up regulars of any region in the country is not the same as hauling around the country and whooping up on the best in the business night in and out. Simply put there is no tougher racing series to follow then the Outlaws, over 80events??? Don't let any "homers" try and fool you on that point.

"Winged or non-winged its all about 
the sprint cars for me!"
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Tarah Way, you appear to have lost yours. I tried to send you an email through here but it was returned, hmmmm.

I would like to send you some enlargements for what you've added to this diatribe, stats can ruin a good fairytale especially if it originates in some cheerleaders head. Contact me, thanks. Take It Easy..

Agreed. It looks like SC&M could find a less bias writer than Bruce. He's also called on to write the Nationals (Knoxville) article every year which seems strange. They need to get someone else for the Drivers of the Decade article and get Larry Weeks to write the Nationals story! Miss seeing Doublenuthing articles.

the facts are the last few times i seen outlaws a.k.a.really good drivers race in posse land as you will call it that was not at the grove a.k.a. lincoln,port ,ect. they did"t even compete for a win , heck even kasey looked on from the trailers to watch the main..do not take this as a bashing becuse it is not . i love when the outlaws come to town whole or even a few at a time it make posse racing even more fun to watch no matter who wins and the stands will be full of exguisite fans!! stay for a few stay all season.. the more the better.. racing that is.. come on folks you can bit$$ and moan about who is this and so and so did that . I love sprint racing thats why i been to the kings royal a few times been to knoxville a least once and i will travel to them again and many others when the kids grow-up just be thankful that there is sprints all across the country .. (drivers of the decade!!) how do you judge them ,on track records ,sportmanship on and off the track, drivers that promote the sport , it is for you to decide.. Yes i will live a posse fan and die a posse fan But i love all sprints yes i have my opions on all the ?'s yes pa drivers went south and won more then any other state an the winternationals yes everyone knows that rahmer and t-mac ,sammy are dirty drivers just like the king, shitts, weld, jan are among the best. one thing is they all drove sprints and loved doing it LOL to all the regions of sprint car and to see many more races till the end is all i care ...

LOL....Take It Easy...

PS Kasey won at the Grove the first time he was ever there I think, oops..

Okay, it was a lousy day show and he won from the poll, lol...

I'm in no way trying to bash Bruce. He is a good friend, and I would bet the farm he would never read this thread, or if he does, he'll take it with a grain of salt. I enjoy reading his opinions.

However, I know McCarl has won at 46 tracks outside of Iowa (a good number of those in the decade), and many years didn't run 2/3 as many races as Dewease, Hodnett or Rahmer. He has had to travel a lot to get the wins he has (we get around 20 total shows in at Knoxville a year, for example). For years, he made the five hour one-way tow to Huset's too.

I would be curious to see these records over the decade at the big shows such as the Nationals, King's Royal, Grove Open and Gold Cup. I know McCarl's had some strong runs in all of them...and how many different tracks against the likes of the WoO, All Stars, and even non-sanctioned have the PA drivers gathered?

...and I know Joey kills them all at Eldora and he had a great year last year. But taking the whole decade in may be a different thing...

Since 2003, only one guy has won more 410 races than Mark Dobmeier (and that's on a limited schedule). That would be Donny Schatz, so he is ranked a little low in my opinion. He has beat the WoO too. They are all opinions, everyone has one!

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That is definitely not true about Kasey Kahne. He ran some 1999 races at WG in the family-owned No. 23K and even finished out the 1999 central PA season in the Zemco car before winning the 2000 season opener.

LOL, my bad. I've given up looking up stuff like this anymore. To be honest I could care less but Cubic is off his rocker when putting down my buddy Joey which brought out the old 'stuff'. It's all good folks, grin and move on. Take It Easy...

According to Kevin Eckerts search engine these are the facts:

Between 1/1/2000 and 12/31/2009 Mark Dobmeier has 129 wins in a winged 410 sprint car. Of those wins, 32 have been won at Husets, and 69 have been won at River Cities Speedway. Thats 101 of 129 wins at two tracks, all coming against weekly competition, or races sanctioned by the NOSA or NMRA. No WoO, All Star, or any other national touring series wins at either of those two tracks. Another 10 wins came at Nodak Speedway (4), Greenbush Race Park(4), Norman County Fair Raceway(1), and Marshall County Speedway (1). (Not exactly the kind of competition you find in Ca., Pa., or Ohio) Again, no wins against any national touring group. Also add 3 wins in Australia at Northam Motorsports Park(2) and Esperance Motor Raceway. I would guess it is safe to say this is not World Series of Sprintcars caliber competition. That covers 114 of 129 wins.

Of the remaining 15, I find only a win at Wilmot against a DIVIDED World of Outlaws in 2006 (NST year), and 5 wins against weekly competition at Knoxville then lend themselves to any kind of credibility.

Jan Opperman himself, and a joint of his finest "greens", could not even convince me that this resume belongs in the top 24 of the decade. Sorry!

A slackjawed yokel once told me, "I am assuming your 
just some niave broad who likes to shoot her mouth off 
so I will give you a pass just this once on your 
dipshit comments." 

How does two time Allstar Champion Greg Wilson not even make the top 25? Probably one of the most consistent in the last six or seven years.

Having been a regular at Huset's my whole life, I can tell you that is not the "walkover" that you are claiming it to be. Most of those wins did come without Terry in attendance, but as he has always said to fans and other drivers: Racing at Huset's will make you the best possible driver when it comes to short tracks across the country. 2 drivers have more wins at Huset's in an actual 410 at Huset's: McCarl (83), Lasoski (40) - no slouches in anyone's mind. And his total is 35 total 410 wins, so he'll get by the Dude in 2010..

Most of those wins for Dobs have come against smaller budgets up in ND, but he starts in the back every night at Grand Forks and still goes out and dominates those races! And he's run in the top 5 the last few years up there for the WoO races only to see unfortuante circumstances happen that knocked him out of the race.

I'm not the biggest supporter of Mark, but if you are going to hammer him for winning 129 times against so called "weaker fields" then you are truly as ignorant as it comes. You must not have seen him race at either Huset's or Grand Forks, because it is a thing of a beauty and worth admission every night.

One last thing, that WoO win at Wilmot was against a divided field but just put this in perspective. It was the first time he'd ever seen the track, let alone race on it, and also the first time being in the Rush Racing #8 as Brooke was over in Australia with his ailing dad.. thats damp impressive even against a 'divided' field.

BIG J

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."

Tarah, one more question. Still awaiting to hear from you by the way....

I'm guessing Tim Kaeding's wins have come in about half as many starts as the Posse guys, any way you can give me some figures here? The CA 410 season has to be less than 50 races for sure and in Palookaville you can race dang near 100 times I'm guessin'. This must be the handicap Cubic is talking about, lol. I know one year Tim hooked up with the Outlaws at Knoxville and had 5 wins by the time they finished up at Chico. Outlaw wins on the road are something the Posse have rarely done, especially Lance and Freddie.

By the way, I am a fan of Bruce's. I always thought that he was very pro Outlaws when announcing their shows. I like his pauses and a lot of other nuances he has. Surprisingly, there were many locals who didn't feel that way, c'est la vie. Take It Easy....

If we're on the subject of divided fields, weren't Rahmer's feature wins at Knoxville against "divided fields"?

big difference...Rahmer is NOT an @sshole...as you call La-Sausage...and last time I checked, Rahmer would never be permitted to SKATE locally if his tires were even QUESTIONED as being doped.

so someone shines his shoes out that way...you tell me Fordy!

I admit...like many on Posse soil...I cheer for Rahmer about 10 times a year as we watch for him to finally drive the 15 car all over the track like he does the locals.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

The following numbers represent the number of races won vs the number of A mains started in total 410 competition (WoO, All Stars, Local, etc. all included). They do not reflect the number of races attempted by the individual driver,s but failed to qualify for the A main.

Rahmer: 896 A mains: 174 wins

Dewease: 874 A mains; 114 wins

Hodnett: 842 A mains; 121 wins

Tim Kaeding: 498 A mains; 91 wins

Schatz: 883 A mains; 155 wins

A slackjawed yokel once told me, "I am assuming your 
just some niave broad who likes to shoot her mouth off 
so I will give you a pass just this once on your 
dipshit comments."