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March 13, 2007 at
07:12:47 AM by team wright-one
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Posted By: 71fan on March 13 2007 at 06:14:57 AM
Mike, I just assumed that your big 3 always included Hodnett, Dewease, and Rahmer like it has in the past. Your right on your Florida stats the last several years but all have picked up top 5's along the way and Rahmer has won in Knoxville the last couple of years but I'm sure you'll be quick to point out that he went backwards when it counted. Either way I dont see any other group of locals winning out at Knoxville during Nationals week. Because I thought thats what we were debating, what part of the country has the best locals?
Team wright-one: You can rag on PA all you want and its fan base but the Wild Child stats at any PA track are laughable. He was able to make 2 A mains last year when he came here which is actually quite good for him compared to recent years.
Coachbob- Sounds good about meeting after the races, I'll make sure to throw in a Diet(I cant believe you drink this stuff) Mt. Dew in the cooler for ya!
thanks for remembering haud in a topic that started out talking about starting in the back and passing cars to finish up front. no one does that as much and with more style than the wild child. and thank you as well for pointing out jacs improvements over prior years. we hope to continue that improvement with the help of bonz,paul,and doug and the hard work they do out on the road all year.
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March 13, 2007 at
08:18:49 AM by MSPN
The NST fanclub must still be together, right Hawker, or is it just losers love each other? My point about Knoxville is history related and you have never seen me say anything about the current situation. However, if Lasoski, McCarl, Dollansky and Madsen were still regulars I like my chances over the Posse every day of the week. Why you ask? Because those guys who could still be racing at Knoxville if they chose have all won OFF THE PORCH, get it?
PA has done well over the years because they had owners who would spend LARGE dollars to compete with the Outlaws. Bob Stewart and Al Hamilton could have bought the Knoxville A-Main starting field themselves on most nights and they spent it to dominate in PA and they did. Knoxville guys run mostly one night a week and occasionally a Husets or nearby Outlaw show and that's it. By comparisson they would be hobby owners and the PA guys would race a 100 nights a year and have budgets to reflect that. The main point I make is that even with all that money they were only competitive at ONE track and it was the track who beat the Outlaws for the most part, ask 'em.
The porch argument is only laughable to someone blind or stupid, which are you, both? The big three are about one for thirty each, over the last four years in Florida and you know about the 4 for 34 at Lincoln and Port ain't any better. The Grove has been their only hope over the years except for rare moments like Osky without the Outlaws or split fields at the Nationals. You getting this yet or is your head still buried, talk about laughable, sheesh! Your pattern of taking the losing side in debates continues Hawk, you do know better, what's up? Take It Easy....
then NST had the very star power that the WoO needed to buy back to get full price for the tickets...and what MSPN needed to get full price for those legacy photos. last i heard, you went out of business...sign of things to come? there is still hope for your hysterical / historical argument, the Kville guys might be back there racing as more hot air leaves the trial balloon.
true believers get off your bar stool - buy DIRT stock now - internet posts don't pay the bills.
btw: many Posse Fans purchase reserved seats and/or season passes for the entire year, perfect way to buy stock in the Posse and keep the riff-raff out of the VIP section at the same time!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
Only you would think sitting around a bunch of foul mouthed drunks would be the VIP section, lmao. Nice spin on the out of business thing as well, ever hear of retirement after a job well done and success like nobody else ever had in that field. As a stereo salesman you likely have a great career ahead of you and a long one, lol. Star powr, I guess that's why it drew so poorly and is still alive and well. Heck, if DIRT went out of bizness tomorrow they lasted longer and had a better run than the also-rans. Most people get that, the rest live in fantasyland with you. Take It Easy....
PS If the deal falls apart, there will still be a dozen guys who will pound the Posse whenever they leave the porch. Heck, there wouldn't be any reason for the big money guys in PA to stay in the bizness any longer with nobody to compete with, WAIT, they already left racing, oops.....
The NST fanclub must still be together, right Hawker, or is it just losers love each other? My point about Knoxville is history related and you have never seen me say anything about the current situation. However, if Lasoski, McCarl, Dollansky and Madsen were still regulars I like my chances over the Posse every day of the week. Why you ask? Because those guys who could still be racing at Knoxville if they chose have all won OFF THE PORCH, get it?
PA has done well over the years because they had owners who would spend LARGE dollars to compete with the Outlaws. Bob Stewart and Al Hamilton could have bought the Knoxville A-Main starting field themselves on most nights and they spent it to dominate in PA and they did. Knoxville guys run mostly one night a week and occasionally a Husets or nearby Outlaw show and that's it. By comparisson they would be hobby owners and the PA guys would race a 100 nights a year and have budgets to reflect that. The main point I make is that even with all that money they were only competitive at ONE track and it was the track who beat the Outlaws for the most part, ask 'em.
The porch argument is only laughable to someone blind or stupid, which are you, both? The big three are about one for thirty each, over the last four years in Florida and you know about the 4 for 34 at Lincoln and Port ain't any better. The Grove has been their only hope over the years except for rare moments like Osky without the Outlaws or split fields at the Nationals. You getting this yet or is your head still buried, talk about laughable, sheesh! Your pattern of taking the losing side in debates continues Hawk, you do know better, what's up? Take It Easy....
ROTFLMAO......Mike, you make it too easy.
First off, what does the NST have to do with any of this? Just like a couple of other here, when you can't come up with FACTS, you resort to name calling and dogging.
Dollansky, Madsen, Lasoski and McCarl have a whopping 3 COMBINED PRELIMINARY wins against the WoO when they were running for WoO points. Shall we compare those numbers to someone like Don Kreitz Jr.? Who racked up an impressive list of WoO wins during the same time frame that the "Knoxville contingent" got their 3 wins? Spin it any way you want, but history says that the Knoxville locals seldom beat the WoO when they come to town.
As far as the Knoxville guys "leaving the porch", prior to 2006 (when DIRT offered teams free pit passes and many times free hotel rooms to show up), the Knoxville guys seldom leave the porch. Sedalia is a perfect example. But, I can't really blame them for that, because they do have a good point fund and there is no sense in risking torn up equipment.
No, if you want to talk about how well guys do when they decide to leave the nest...Well, both parts of the country seem to do quite well in that department.
You always like to bring up Florida. In your big book of facts, please inform me the last time a Knoxville points racer even dared to show up, let alone win one. I'll even go one better... How about Husets, Sedalia, US-36, LOS or I-55? All are tracks relativly close to Knoxville, how many have even shown up to run with the WoO? Let alone win? I can show you Posse wins (by Posse points racers) against the WoO in PA at WG, Selinsgrove, Lincoln, Susquehanna, Lernerville and Penn National while also picking up wins in NY, MD, FL, IA and I am sure that there are a few others I missed. So, when comparing they locals, racing for points, there really isn't any comparison at all is there?
So, with a post like this, there is only one thing for certain. It should be time for the name calling to reach a new high in your next post...
coach - you sure know how to keep yourself above the fray with these infantile comments...you must pick up lines like this from the junior varsity squad?
MSPN - if retirement is so prosperous...why are you schlepping booze to fans of a dying sport...pocket change?
just for the record, as probaby the same 2000 bored race fans will read this thread like the last one...the "friend" comment above can only be taken seriously if anyone thinks that "friends" should pull the horeshit you pulled as a guest in a resereved seating section. more than once i told you that your horsehit would not fly in our section. you kept it up until they laid into your miserable ass. gotta tell you tho...you are damn lucky more of the regulars were not there that night. you see, they like the Outlaws even LESS than the folks that showed up. they buy the seats for the entire year and skip all the WoO crap except for the Open. so the next time you need to puke up you side of the story, ask yourself how is it that everyone else was the asshole when it was in fact you that got the most pissed off and sat there like a troll the rest of the night.
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
Hawker, you are SOOOO missing the points on the Knoxville deal. The guys I mentioned have had their success after they left the porch. Racing once a week wasn't gonna cut it and they had the obvious talent to try the next level and succeed at it, do you get it now? Today's Knoxville regular is a hobby racer, heck he has been for years and when you tow hundreds of miles to race that one night a week what else can you be called. The pros from PA are just that, hired guns, yet they still can't beat the Outlaws but for one truck and rare occasions, shame on them. They have had budgets in the past on a level with the Outlaws yet nowhere near the success, shame on them again and I understand the Posse fan's frustration with this whole scenario.
BRR, that night was a joke. You begged me to sit with you for a few years and I was stupid enough to trust you. One drunk guy who I should have flattened and a few others who never spoke a single word to me, some VIP's, lol. I left with a few laps to go when it was obvious an Outlaw was gonna win and I never bothered to stop and chat with a bunch of drunks after the race, they get braver and more angry when the Outlaws win which is most of the time that I've been there, lol. I managed to hang around Beerhill the true home of the 'enemy' many times and enjoyed them all, heck I won the pool their the first time I ever played. These guys appreciate the sport a whole lot more than the clueless ones in your so-called VIP section and while they want to see a Posse win most of them just wanna see good racing. This holds true for Drak, Brent and Mike especially, who are all about what happens on the track vs. the sideshow. Heck, the sideshow folks are generally the guys who have the least amount of knowledge about what is happening which doesn't surprise me that you are aligned with this group, lol. Take It Easy....
October 24, 2006: The most influential person in sprint car racing is dead. Beloit, Wisconsin’s Ted Johnson, a Sun Prairie racer who unionized wildcat sprint stars across the globe, died Friday of cancer. He was 72.
Ted weathered many storms as World of Outlaws president, though none so formidable as the deadly disease. Once detected, people prepared for the inevitable but Ted, true to his nature, did not go gently. He lost a lung, yet won three previous bouts. Racers joked how he was just too mean to die. He proved them wrong one more time.
Johnson was voted Most Influential Person by an impromptu poll in 1991 and every year through 2001, when he began accelerating sale of his empire.
It was born in 1978, though he made deals before that. Initially, the former china saleman was to serve as something of an agent to wandering rogues like Bobby Allen and Rick Ferkel, negotiating appearance fees, or selling T-shirts as that business began.
In 1976 and ’77, Johnson leased Louisiana’s Boothill Speedway for March weekends. April ’77 saw him do likewise with Lincoln Speedway in the heart of what was unofficially, the world of outlaws.
During that ’77 season, any given Saturday saw Allen and Steve Smith from Florida; an encore by Kansas City’s Kenny Weld; Jim Edwards of Los Angeles; and Steve Siegel, who was the new kid that had followed Dub and Van May in from El Paso.
I was 13 when dad took me to Ted’s momentous Lincoln program. It was unclear to me how he had done it, but this Ted Johnson coaxed South Dakota’s Doug Wolfgang, Tennessee’s Sammy Swindell, Oklahoma’s Shane Carson, Chuck Amati of Illinois, and Robert Smith up from Florida. We had never seen any of these people.
That was the night Ohio’s Fred Linder told my father that he did not hesitate to travel anywhere that was less than 15 hours away. “Anything more than that,” Fred said, “and we really do have to think about it.” Father was floored.
Johnson’s program at Lincoln listed Friday qualifying and Saturday races: first with wings, and then without. Either way, track regulars kicked outlaw ass, beginning the “Us v.s Them” attitude that prevails in Pennsylvania today...
you just dont know how to be a guest without stirring up trouble. you might want to ask Swamp for some tips. within 24 hours you repeated the performance with the episode that sent you running for the border. the revisions are entertaining...keep em comin! hhahahah
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
More lies, dang you never give up do you? I got fed up with Rohan/Katie who never got it then and probably doesn't care now. The rains were coming (Lincoln rained out) and I had had enough with the whole debate. You two will never get it and will chose to ignore the reality of what has happened and will happen in the future. Now Cubic has turned stupid, sheesh. Losing 80% of the time is kicking somebody's butt, he may not be any smarter than the rest. Go back to cut and pasting and looking up what really happened and then you'll disappear again. Grandview and Port and even more embarassing Lincoln, results that tell it like it is. Take It Easy....
MSPN, I'll give you that the Outlaws will be tougher this year than ever before in history. They have twice as many teams following the circus than ever before. All the more reason to start rallying the troops early I figure…lol.
Make no mistake about it however, our top Posse contenders have every bit as good of odds at home as the teams that fill out the top of the World of Outlaw standings. Qualifying well is the key however. I've heard it over and over again. Winning off the front row in an Outlaw show is easier than coming from twelfth in a regular Friday night show with the normal stacked field of cars that the Grove pulls every week.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
Track announces accelerated program as weather approaches. 2 Sprint heats and altered format are in effect.
Heat 1 Grid:
10 Laps / All Qualify
/
Top 6 to A Main Invert
Row 1:
93 Forsythe
/
43 Shive
Row 2:
70 Slossberg
/
59 Seigel
Row 3:
47j Busby
/
X Weaver
Row 4:
21 Montieth
/
22 Johnson
Row 5:
77 Hodnett
/
26 Cooper
Heat 1 Finish:
70, 59, X, 77, 21, 22 / 47j, 26, 43, DNS: 93
Heat 1 Action:
Shive opts for the rear, Forsythe does not report, all rows advance. Slossberg grabs the lead on the initial start: 70, 59, X, 47j, 21, 22, 77, 26, 43. Lap 5: Montierh and Hodnett battle for 4th, Hodnett takes the spot.
Heat 2 Grid:
10 Laps / All Qualify
/
Top 6 to A Main Invert
Row 1:
6k Knopp
/
10x Rohrbaugh
Row 2:
23 Zinn
/
29k Kluge
Row 3:
4 Stambaugh
/
10n Young
Row 4:
71 Leppo
/
30 The Hammer
Row 5:
88h Rahmer
/
1r Rabold
Heat 2 Finish:
6k, 29k, 88h, 4, 71, 30 / 10n, 1r, 10x, 23
Heat 2 Action:
Zinn goes sideways in turn 1 on the initial start, the field splits and all continue, running: 6k, 29k, 10x, 88h, 4, 71, 30, 10n, 1r, 23.
Mid Point Brief:
Nextel 2-Way tells us that rain has delayed the Woo race at Hagerstown, yet no WoO regulars leave the porch to tag the field. Tonight there will be a 5 Lap Dash added to the Thundercar and Legends formats. A fan near the VIP Section lends us a scanner headset and we roll at the comments from the tower, especially when a car rolls to a stop after passing a pit entrance, good stuff!
Initial Start: Slossberg takes the lead, Leppo goes high side and comes out of turn 2 in 5th! Closed RED as 21, 77, 29k and 1r are sitting in turn 4, Hodnett screwed, not enough time to replace the front clip. Complete restart, cross them over and line them up. Restart: Slossberg leads, Lap 2: 70, 6k, 4, X, 71, 88h, 22, 30, 10n, 21, 59. The X car blocks the 71 for 5 or 6 laps until Rahmer creels in on his push bar. Lap 13: Leppo powers around the high side of 2, Rahmer stuck behind the X for a few more laps. Traffic: Leppo stuck behind Busby and Rahmer passes for 3rd. Fast action, no cautions after the initial red. Stambaugh was flying and led by half a straight or more at all times. 5 more laps would have made no difference.
Theme:
This track knows how to move an event along. If dashes were not added, the 410s would have been run without lights!
Prime Mover:
Rahmer
Pass of the Night:
BRR laytonizing mini vans on Rte. 30 west.
Crowd Pleasing Moment :
Leppo on the high side.
FOAW Spotlight :
Stambaugh was flying, back on track after some hard luck of late.
Attrition:
Low car count but EXCELLENT RACING.
Hard Luck Award:
Hodnett, no time to fix the damages.
WTF:
Little sleep and a long day with much complaining from my adversaries in parts unknown, who live to dispute my reports from 500 miles away. When will they pen a report of their own? Mulligan might have to call in his spin to coach the depraved, but it might be entertaining.
Track Note:
Dusty track / Windy. This track knows how to move an event along. If dashes were not added, the 410s would have been run without lights!
Evaluation of the Racing Product:
Heats: B-, A-Main: B+ / Hard Racing, need more cars to bring traffic issues back into the equation.
Fast:
Montieth was pounding the high side as usual. Leppo took too long to put away the X and 47j. Rahmer shows veteran savvy to take 3rd on Lap 23.
Half Fast:
BRR turns 5.6k on the way to Hagerstown, VIP Flight Crew buckle up!
Bump and Grind:
Little contact after the mix-up in turn 4 on the start.
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Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
4 Inverted Heats, Top 5 Transfer, B, Dual Dash for 25 Lap A-Main
Conditions:
Weather Delays / Cool Temps / Wet Track / Fast Times
Red Carpet:
BRR VIP Section Road Trip for Frequent Flyers
Hot Lap Action:
No Present
TT Top 12:
Not Present
TT 2nd 12:
Not Present
Heat 1 Grid:
8 Laps / Top 5 Transfer
/
Top 12 TT Transfer to Dash
Row 1:
32 Weibley
/
83 Kaeding
Row 2:
5w Wolfe
/
5 Sammy
Row 3:
26 Stewart
/
7 Dollansky
Row 4:
11e Erdley
/
15 Schatz
Row 5:
8d Dillman
/
Heat 1 Finish:
83, 32, 5, 7, 5w / 26, 15, 11e, 8d
Heat 1 Action:
Start: same as finish, track heavy, high speeds, no passing after lap 1.
Heat 2 Grid:
8 Laps / Top 5 Transfer
/
Top 12 TT Transfer to Dash
Row 1:
21 Pittman
/
R19 Solwold
Row 2:
7s Sides
/
20 Lostkoski
Row 3:
1 K. Swindell
/
12 Shepard
Row 4:
13 C. Brian
/
6 Shaffer
Heat 2 Finish:
R19, 21, 20, 1, 7s / 6, 12, 13
Heat 2 Action:
Lap 2: Shepard passes the 6 car after a bad start. But then loses the position back to Shaffer.
Heat 3 Grid:
8 Laps / Top 5 Transfer
/
Top 12 TT Transfer to Dash
Row 1:
7tw Wimmer
/
11 Kinser
Row 2:
11h McMahan
/
25 DeWease
Row 3:
14 Meyers
/
8 Tatnell
Row 4:
6w Wells
/
U1 Layton
Heat 3 Finish:
7tw, 11, 11h, 25, 8 / 14, U1, 6w
Heat 3 Action:
Wimmer turns around his week of bad luck, less competition benefits many. No passing after the initial start.
Heat 4 Grid:
8 Laps / Top 5 Transfer
/
Top 12 TT Transfer to Dash
Row 1:
2 Saldana
/
35 Rilat
Row 2:
19 Smith
/
24 McCarl
Row 3:
28 Paulus
/
11k Kraig
Row 4:
69 Collett
/
7k Shetler
Heat 4 Finish:
2, 35, 19, 24, 28 / 69, 11k, 7k
Heat 4 Action:
Initial Start: 2, 35, 19, 24, 11k / 28, 69, 7k. Lap 2: Paulus takes 5th from Kraig in 1-2. Lap 3: Kraig tries to laytonize Paulus into the turn 4 wall, no worky. Lap 5: Kraig tries it again in turn 2 and loses 5th to Collett as he nearly rams the wall in 2, high speeds, desperate measures. After the flags, Kraig pulls up on Paulus and makes an obvious "I'm pissed off gesture", Paulus returns the traditional "you did it to yourself when you tried to laytonize me, moron" reply.
C Main Grid:
10 Laps
/
Top 2 Tag B Main
Row 1:
No C Main
/
Low Car Count
Mid Point Brief:
At this point, the tower announces: Due to the LATE HOUR (11:30), the late models are postponed, thanks for running in the track for us and have a nice day".
Dash 1:
6 Laps
/
Racing for Inside Row
Row 1:
7 Dollansky
/
28 Paulus
Row 2:
5 Sammy
/
25 DeWease
Row 3:
19 Smith
/
7s Sides
Dash 1 Finish:
7, 28, 5, 25, 19, 7s
Dash 1 Action:
No passing after initial start, hot lap session. NEW TRACK RECORD: 1:35.16?
Dash 2:
6 Laps
/
Racing for Outside Row
Row 1:
8 Tatnell
/
1 K. Swindell
Row 2:
20 Lostkoski
/
24 McCarl (no Tree Stand)
Row 3:
11h McMahan
/
5w Wolfe
Dash 2 Finish:
1, 8, 20, 11h, 24, 5w
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
Erdley misfires and heads to the work area before the grid forms up. Rejoins but pulls back in, done for the night. Initial Start: 11k, 12, 14, 26, 6w, 69, 6, 15, 13, U1. Lap 2: Collett and Wells tangle in turn 2, Wells spins, caution. Lap 1 Resart: 11k, 12, 14, 26 / 6, 69, 15, U1, 13, 7k, 8d, Wells on the hook. Schatz gets around Shaffer & Collett on the restart. Lap 5: Shaffer blasts past Schatz on the back stretch and looses a side panel in 3, stops before disaster. Resart: 11k, 12, 14, 26 / 15, 69, U1, 13, 7k, 8d, 6 rejoins with new wing. Layton and Schatz laytonize each other on the restart in the best action of the night so far. Lap 9: Shaffer up to 8th. Late model rigs leave before midnight.
Initial Start: Dollansky takes the lead and checks out: 7, 8, 1, 28, 20, 5, 24, 11h, 25, 19, 5w, 7s, 11k, 14. Lap 3: pabulums stops on the back stretch, done for the night.
Lap 9: Traffic. Lance and Smith battle hard but clean, Smith's engine goes sour on Lap 12 and he pulls in a few laps later. 20 & 24 battle hard as do Sammy, Son and Tatnell. Lap 13: 7, 8, 5, 1, 24, 20, 25. Lap 15: Sammy takes 2nd and looks impressive. Lap 17: 7, 5, 8, 1, 24, 20, 25. Lap 20: Kevin drops to 6th. Blistering speeds. Lap 21: 7, 5, 8, 24, 20, 25, 1, 11h, 14, 11k, 11, 5w, 21, 2. Lap 25: McCarl passes Tatnell for 3rd and his best run in months. Lap 25: Pittman blows a left rear which tears up Lucas' wing, done for the night, Pittman returns.
Sammy all over Dollansky, laytonizes him hard in turn 4 on Lap 26 for the lead, both cars above the cushion and on the wall. Lap 27: 5, 7, 24, 20, 8, 25, 11h, 11k, 14, 1, 11. Lap 28: Lance passes the 8 car for 5th and Sides spins in turn 2, caution. Wimmer pits for a tire change.
Lostkoski's Right Rear is sagging worse as cars use allotted time in the work area. Disaster lurking at these high speeds. Competitor pull up and signal but he remains in position. Restart: McMahan and Kinser close the final laps with a few daring moves to improve position. BLISTERING SPEEDS after a very long day of work, racing, travel, racing and more travel to provide safe and timely cartage of VIP Section Frequent Flyers.
Theme:
Extremely fast track conditions. Swindells dominate A Main and NTR in the Dash. Sammy has 7 wins at Hagerstown, more than ANY other WoO driver. Easier picking for 2nd tier as the Tree Stand is not needed tonight to watch the A. All WoO cars make the event, nice way to end a tough week. With a paycheck!
Prime Mover:
Kinser from 19th to finish 9th.
Pass of the Night:
Sammy laytonizes the crap out of Dollansky in a rare WoO pass for the lead.
Crowd Pleasing Moment :
Late models cancelled at a late model track, crowd was not impressed.
FOAW Spotlight :
FOAW race on sprint car tracks.
Attrition:
TT: Shepard NT, Paulus hard in the wall in turn 3, back up car for 1 lap.
Hard Luck Award:
Cobra loses bet on ETA back to Lincoln (3am), sorry about your luck.
WTF:
One line open at the concession stand. New sound system aimed too low and the top 5 rows are outside the coverage pattern of the horns. Workmanship looks good, but poor final tuning for the system.
Track Note:
Impressive facility upgrades since OctoberPist: Actual catch fence with tire guard on top, new light poles, lights, sound system and possibly more clay. Most un-noticeable: UNDERGROUND CABLING improves the sightline.
Evaluation of the Racing Product:
Heats: FAST, A-Main: FAST; Intense Track Conditions = Little Passing, but incredible to witness.
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
LOL@Hawker, you are turning into a real "Offical" Posse fan LOL LOL LOL
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Posted By: cubicdollars on March 14 2007 at 03:06:47 PM
MSPN, I'll give you that the Outlaws will be tougher this year than ever before in history. They have twice as many teams following the circus than ever before. All the more reason to start rallying the troops early I figure…lol.
Make no mistake about it however, our top Posse contenders have every bit as good of odds at home as the teams that fill out the top of the World of Outlaw standings. Qualifying well is the key however. I've heard it over and over again. Winning off the front row in an Outlaw show is easier than coming from twelfth in a regular Friday night show with the normal stacked field of cars that the Grove pulls every week.
but it's a hell of a lot harder to make the front row in an outlaw race.
if someone only had a camcorder that night, you would all be laughing like i was...that weekend was a priceless adventure!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
Posted By: Rogue-9 on March 14 2007 at 05:06:06 PM
but it's a hell of a lot harder to make the front row in an outlaw race.
I realize it's awful hard to sandbag just right to start at the front of the dash...lol. PA racers wouldn't know what a sandbag was if one fell on their heads....
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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02:45:15 AM by singlefile
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Posted By: JC on March 11 2007 at 10:22:39 PM
Actually I beleive the Talent you talk about is more laps/experience on a unique track. As said before, the All-Stars get it handed to them at the Grove and Lincoln, the posse cars at Attica and Fremont are usually lapped traffic, it all evens out. It all comes down to laps on unique tracks.
I was just skimming this thread because nothing really changes. But at least be fair when you make a point. How come you didn't mention Mike Wagner beating the All-Stars at Fremont a few years ago? Oooops, LOL That is pretty much a mid-range central PA team winning at a place the locals claim is tough on outsiders.
The first time Kevin Gobrecht ever went to Attica, he won with a small, family-owned operation.
Feel free to cite some examples of Attica and Fremont regulars heading East and having similar results.
