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Wesmar - take note of the fanatics who - when things tend to quiet down on the forum - have to start new crap with new threads.

with the becoming volume of it - not good for the forum. the occasional stuff is alright - but just cause the last round left the front page - doesn;t mean a new one has to be started. and each time these cockroaches fire another one up - it gets just a lil more extreme and fanatical each time.

brr - when you see stuff like this on the web and you get that urge to cut and paste it in here - fight that urge man. however you do it I dont care. I see tons of stuff every day that would deal blows to you on stuff we debate (if thats what ti could be called). but aint gonna cut and paste it. i did that a couple times - it got deleted - and rightfully so. so i just give opinions without the LINKED propaganda.


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Posted By: OKCFan12 on June 17 2008 at 10:29:29 PM

I'm guessing that my initial assertion may not be correct. its no secret i'll talk politics and stuff like that a lot. but I've been under the impression that we didnt just flat out post propaganda on here - like for instance if there was fake demeaning pictures of something - I wouldn't cut and paste it on to here. i did that a couple times and then thought - just not the right thing to do. I'll post a lot of links or stuff pertaining to like oil prices and such - that does affect our sport. but dude if you are going to talk politics - then talk it all you want. but if you want to start posting crap like this - then I'd say it is fair game for me to ABSOLUTELY FLOOD THIS FORUM WITH ALL THE COUNTER PROPAGANDA I SEE FIT. in short - I dont think Mr. Holland would too happy to see a propaganda war on his forum. so put a freakin sock in it. I see tons of stuff like this all the time against your guys - and don't cut and paste it. thats great we open to talk all sorts of stuff on here - but it shouldn't be taken to another level. this is a racing forum where we occasionally talk politics - not a political forum where we occasionally talk racing. I'm not sure you are aware of the difference. quit with your bullshit propaganda and disinformation.

btw - this is america - we have all supported liars in one way or another. we dont need you to pick and choose which ones we should be fine with. although its rightful to point out that your pimp is the most recent...........and I cant help but point out that Clinton's major lie was in getting some head - something I doubt you are too familiar with- but nonetheless his lie was a BJ - as opposed to a lie for a war that has killed over 4,100 of America's bravest.



my, how nice it would be to be young and niave again.

IF Billy bob hadn't have spent all of his time defending his poor behavior and honesty, maybe we would have never had a 9-11. nut that is in the past.

I am happy to see you signature nine no longer has the support of Obumba on it.

Vote for whoever you want, but be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

IF you deny his being a Muslim supporter, with all of his years of being in the inner circle of people who blow up pentagons and hate white people with such a vengence, I guess you will deserve the fella.

If Hillary is in the mix however, he won't last long anyway, her opponents seem to have a short lifespan.


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OKCFan12
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my, how nice it would be to be young and niave again.

IF Billy bob hadn't have spent all of his time defending his poor behavior and honesty, maybe we would have never had a 9-11. nut that is in the past.

I am happy to see you signature nine no longer has the support of Obumba on it.

Vote for whoever you want, but be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

IF you deny his being a Muslim supporter, with all of his years of being in the inner circle of people who blow up pentagons and hate white people with such a vengence, I guess you will deserve the fella.

If Hillary is in the mix however, he won't last long anyway, her opponents seem to have a short lifespan.



dude quit saying what you know to be untrue. the entire conservative establishment is openly flaunting the fact they are saying this shit when they know it is false. playing on the fears of millions of stupid white people. i aint saying all white people like that - but that crap you too fairies keep spewing is reserved for just that group. biggotry is about the best way to explain it.

Obama never kept an inner circle of people that did anything like that. in all likelihood - since he launched a website to address the BS that traitors to this country are spewing - the cockraoch ringleader Limbaugh wanst everyone to spew it a lil bit louder. your entire party does - and of course in true cockroach fashion - ya'll scurry right in line.


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dude quit saying what you know to be untrue. the entire conservative establishment is openly flaunting the fact they are saying this shit when they know it is false. playing on the fears of millions of stupid white people. i aint saying all white people like that - but that crap you too fairies keep spewing is reserved for just that group. biggotry is about the best way to explain it.

Obama never kept an inner circle of people that did anything like that. in all likelihood - since he launched a website to address the BS that traitors to this country are spewing - the cockraoch ringleader Limbaugh wanst everyone to spew it a lil bit louder. your entire party does - and of course in true cockroach fashion - ya'll scurry right in line.



I guess when you deny FOX news, that is one thing, but now you are saying the reports on MSNBC and CNN are lies, Sonny, there is no hope for you.

BTW, I don't listen to Rush at all.


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man I never said fox news was the only media outlet capable of telling lies. Yes I highly think they are more full of it than any of the others - by a few galaxies. they pander to just a certain audience.

I guess with all my criticism of fox news - you may assume I'm 100% for the other stations. in fact - not really. many of my rumblings in our conversations are critical of the entire media. yes i think fox news is more full of it than the other 2. but they most assuredly have their own BS. if a neutral press is what we desire (and never get obviously) - it would cool to see a neutral station that would literally attack the crap out of both sides. as it is now. I do think Fox leans far more to the right than the other 2 do to the left. but i know we will prob never agree on that. agree to disagree in the end I guess. in relation to that thought - i dont think a neutral and yet critical station will ever be. to be competitive in the game now you have to have corporate everything - you have to have corporate ties to even get connected to politicians and get highly circulated press. we - all of us - this country - has a serious problem with our media and the way its all done. just to form a proper opinion you have to read multiple prints of the same damn thing. I mean - certain journalists will put a left or right slant on articles and reportings. if you ever listen to just one and form an opinion - its a slanted view you accept. this country suffers hardcore from an extreme lack of real journalism. they're all tied to agendas now. hell the press offers the best example of how the government can be bought - almost entirely.

so duane - I'm not tearing down fox to build the others up. I only think they are the worst of multiple evils - and again - I'm sure we'll agree to disagree.

 


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 Obama rebukes McCain camp on terrorism criticism

By NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer Wed Jun 18, 12:30 AM ET

WASHINGTON - A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democrat had a naive, Sept. 10 mind-set toward terrorism.

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"These are the same guys who helped to engineer the distraction of the war in Iraq at a time when we could have pinned down the people who actually committed 9/11," the presumed nominee told reporters aboard his campaign plane. "This is the same kind of fear-mongering that got us into Iraq ... and it's exactly that failed foreign policy I want to reverse."

The debate between the rival camps echoed the 2004 presidential campaign in which President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other Republicans argued that Democratic nominee John Kerry was soft on terror, a claim that resonated with voters and helped propel Bush to re-election. Democrats complained that the GOP was using the politics of fear.

The Republican argument proved less effective in 2006 when then Bush adviser Karl Rove said the Democrats had a pre-Sept. 11 view of the world and Republicans had a post-Sept. 11 terror attacks perspective. In November of that year, Democrats captured enough congressional seats to seize control of the House and Senate.

On his campaign plane, Obama told reporters that Osama bin Laden is still at large in part because Bush's strategy toward fighting terror has not succeeded.

At issue were comments Obama made in an interview with ABC News Monday in which he spoke approvingly of the successful prosecution and imprisonment of those responsible for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Obama was asked how he could be sure the Bush administration's anti-terrorism policies are not crucial to protecting U.S. citizens.

Obama said the government can crack down on terrorists "within the constraints of our Constitution." He mentioned the indefinite detention of Guantanamo Bay detainees, contrasting their treatment with the prosecution of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings.

"And, you know, let's take the example of Guantanamo," Obama said. "What we know is that, in previous terrorist attacks — for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center — we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.

"And the fact that the administration has not tried to do that has created a situation where not only have we never actually put many of these folks on trial, but we have destroyed our credibility when it comes to rule of law all around the world, and given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, 'Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims. ...

"We could have done the exact same thing, but done it in a way that was consistent with our laws," Obama said.

Obama agreed with the Supreme Court ruling last week that detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have a constitutional right to challenge their indefinite imprisonment in U.S. civilian courts. McCain derided the ruling as "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

McCain aides criticized Obama for talking about using the criminal justice system to prosecute terrorists.

"Senator Obama is a perfect manifestation a September 10th mind-set ... He does not understand the nature of the enemies we face," McCain national security director Randy Scheunemann told reporters on a conference call.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey, who is advising the McCain campaign, concurred, saying Obama has "an extremely dangerous and extremely naive approach toward terrorism ... and toward dealing with prisoners captured overseas who have been engaged in terrorist attacks against the United States."

The Obama campaign countered with its own conference call in which Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Richard Clarke, a counterterrorism official in Republican and Democratic administrations, argued the McCain campaign was emulating Rove.

"I'm a little disgusted by the attempts of some of my friends on the McCain campaign to use the same old, tired tactics ... to drive a wedge between Americans for partisan advantage and to frankly frighten Americans," Clarke said.

Kerry accused McCain of "defending a policy that is indefensible" by siding with Bush's policies, particularly with respect to the Iraq war.

Obama said Republicans could be counted on to do "what they've done every election cycle, which is to use terrorism as club to make the American people afraid to win elections." He said he didn't think it would work this time.

Republicans criticized Obama last year when he said the United States should act on intelligence about top terrorist targets in Pakistan even if President Pervez Musharraf refuses.

 

funny how mccain says the gitmo decision was the worst in history. this coming from the same guy who was quoted as saying Iraq would be one of the best decisions in our nations history. wow how far experience can really go...................the wrong way...


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Posted By: OKCFan12 on June 17 2008 at 10:44:06 PM

Wesmar - take note of the fanatics who - when things tend to quiet down on the forum - have to start new crap with new threads.

with the becoming volume of it - not good for the forum. the occasional stuff is alright - but just cause the last round left the front page - doesn;t mean a new one has to be started. and each time these cockroaches fire another one up - it gets just a lil more extreme and fanatical each time.

brr - when you see stuff like this on the web and you get that urge to cut and paste it in here - fight that urge man. however you do it I dont care. I see tons of stuff every day that would deal blows to you on stuff we debate (if thats what ti could be called). but aint gonna cut and paste it. i did that a couple times - it got deleted - and rightfully so. so i just give opinions without the LINKED propaganda.



yeah - when Robert Byrd's brother hands a picture of the two of them in white sheets to an internation news outlet, I 'm sure you do you best to keep that quiet.

just two weeks ago you made a big deal about Obama "not" being a muslim...and now this little leak from his own brother.

nice try again...but the propoganda on Obama origniates from the left - as you have adopted the cause of a radical and since hillary has dropped - you are STUCK COVERING FOR HIM!


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don't look now...Politico is weighing in...(OKC - Politico is the OPPOSITE of Fox News - Fox News has #1 RATINGS for about 80 straight months).

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=9C35D9AD-3048-5C12-001E5E2F7EAC1D85

Muslims barred from picture at Obama event
By: Ben Smith
June 18, 2008 11:18 AM EST

Two Muslim women at Barack Obama's rally in Detroit Monday were barred from sitting behind the podium by campaign volunteers seeking to prevent the women's headscarves from appearing in photographs or on television with the candidate.

The campaign has apologized to the women, all Obama supporters who said they felt betrayed by their treatment at the rally.

"This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama's commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton, who added that the volunteers were acting contrary to the campaign's policy. "We sincerely apologize for this behavior."

Building a human backdrop to a political candidate, a set of faces to appear on television and in photographs, is always a delicate exercise in demographics and political correctness. Advance staffers typically pick supporters out of a crowd to reflect the candidate's message.

When Obama won North Carolina amid questions about his ability to connect with white voters, for instance, he stood in front of a group of middle-aged white women waving small American flags. Across the aisle, a Hispanic New Hampshire Democrat, Roberto Fuentes, told Politico that he was recently asked, and declined, to contribute to the "diversity" of the crowd behind Senator John McCain at a Nashua event.

But for Obama, the old-fashioned image-making contrasts with his promise to transcend identity politics, and to embrace all elements of America. The incidents in Michigan, which has one of the largest Arab and Muslim populations in the country, also raise an aspect of his campaign that sometimes rubs Muslims the wrong way: The candidate has vigorously denied a false, viral rumor that he himself is Muslim. But the denials seem to some at times to imply that there something wrong with the faith, though Obama occasionally adds that he means no disrespect to Islam.

"I was coming to support him, and I felt like I was discriminated against by the very person who was supposed to be bringing this change, who I could really relate to," said Hebba Aref, a 25-year-old lawyer who lives in the Detroit suburb of Bloomfield Hills. "The message that I thought was delivered to us was that they do not want him associated with Muslims or Muslim supporters."

In Detroit Monday the two different Obama volunteers – in separate incidents– made it clear that headscarves wouldn't be in the picture. The volunteers gave different explanations for excluding the hijabs, one bluntly political and the other less clear.

In Aref's case, there was no ambiguity.

That incident began when the volunteer asked Aref's friend Ali Koussan and two other friends, Aref's brother Sharif and another young lawyer, Brandon Edward Miller, whether they would like to sit behind the stage. The three young men said they would, but mentioned they were with friends.

The men said the volunteer, a twenty-something African American woman in a green shirt, asked if their friends looked and were dressed like the young men, who were all light-skinned and wearing suits. Miller said yes, but mentioned that one of their friends was wearing a headscarf with her suit.

The volunteer "explained to me that because of the political climate and what's going on in the world and what's going on with Muslim Americans it's not good for her to be seen on TV or associated with Obama," said Koussan, who is a law student at Wayne State University.

Both Koussan and Miller said they specifically recalled the volunteer citing the "political climate" in telling them they couldn't sit behind Obama.

"I was like, 'You've got to be kidding me. Are you serious?'" Koussan recalled.

Shimaa Abdelfadeel's story was different. She'd waited on line outside the Joe Louis Arena for three hours in the sun, and was walking through the giant hall when a volunteer approached two of her non-Muslim friends, a few steps ahead of her, and asked if they'd like to sit in "special seating" behind the stage, said one friend, Brittany Marino, who like Abdelfadeel is a recent University of Michigan graduate who works for the university.

 

When they said they were with Abdelfadeel, the volunteer told them their friend would have to take the headscarf off or stay out of the special section, Marino said. They declined the seats.

Abdelfadeel, after recovering from the shock of the incident, went to look for the volunteer and confronted her minutes later, she said in an email interview with Politico.

"We're not letting anyone with anything on their heads like baseballs or scarves sit behind the stage," she paraphrased the volunteer as saying, an account Marino confirmed. "It has nothing to do with your religion!"

In most work and school settings, religious dress – Jewish yarmulkes, Sikh turbans, Muslim hijabs – is permitted where secular clothing like baseball caps is not.

"The scarf is not just something she can take off – it's part of her identity," said Marino.

Photographs of the event also show men with hats in the section behind Obama and Gore, though not directly behind the candidate.

Abdelfadeel, like Aref, felt "disappointed, angry, and let-down," she later wrote.

She was "let-down that the Obama campaign continously perpetuates this attitude towards Muslims and Arabs - as if being merely associated one is a sin."

The two womens' friends who witnessed the incidents were disappointed too. Aref's friend Miller said he was "shocked" by the contrast between Obama's message and their experience.

"He was the one candidate who you would expect to stand up for something like that – and behind the scenes you have something completely contrary to what he was running on," said Koussan, Aref's other friend.

Aref and her friends complained to the campaign, and after those complaints and an inquiry from Politico, Obama's director of advance, Emmett S. Beliveau, called her to apologize.

An Obama aide also noted that the campaign has no policy against the candidate's appearing with women in headscarves: The next morning at Wayne State University, Obama posed for a picture with a student wearing a hijab.

Photographs from a Seattle rally earlier this year also clearly show a couple in Muslim clothes behind the candidate.

The administrator of the "Muslims4Obama" group on Obama's website, which is not formally part of the campaign, also said she had "not heard anything regarding Muslim supporters being steered away from sitting behind Sen. Obama at the event," and noted that he'd had Muslim supporters present at events in Minnesota, including one at which he stood with a Muslim member of Congress, Keith Ellison.

Aref said she was glad Obama had apologized, but not entirely satisfied.

"I think this is a much bigger deal than maybe they're perceiving it as," she said, noting that Obama had placed a personal call to a television reporter he'd dismissively called "Sweetie."

"An apology from him personally would be better," she said, then reconsidered. "If they are true to their word, I think it would suffice to have an invitation to their next rally and have seats behind him and show up on TV."


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PASS THE HUKA!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2139573/Barack-Obama-aide-Why-Winnie-the-Pooh-should-shape-US-foreign-policy.html

Barack Obama aide: Why Winnie the Pooh should shape US foreign policy

Winnie the Pooh, Luke Skywalker and British football hooligans could shape the foreign policy of Barack Obama if he becomes US President, according to a key adviser.

Barack Obama with his daughter Sasha, seven, in Chicago after giving a speech about fatherhood
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Barack Obama with his daughter Sasha, seven, in Chicago after giving a speech about fatherhood

Richard Danzig, who served as Navy Secretary under President Clinton and is tipped to become National Security Adviser in an Obama White House, told a major foreign policy conference in Washington that the future of US strategy in the war on terrorism should follow a lesson from the pages of Winnie the Pooh, which can be shortened to: if it is causing you too much pain, try something else.

Mr Danzig told the Centre for New American Security: “Winnie the Pooh seems to me to be a fundamental text on national security.”

He spelt out how American troops, spies and anti-terrorist officials could learn key lessons by understanding the desire of terrorists to emulate superheroes like Luke Skywalker, and the lust for violence of violent football fans.

Mr Obama’s candidacy was given an early boost by his opposition to the Iraq war and he has repeatedly said the US needs to rethink its approach to the Middle East.

Mr Danzig spelt out the need to change by reading a paragraph from chapter one of the children’s classic, which says: “Here is Edward Bear, coming downstairs now, bump, bump, bump on the back of his head behind Christopher Robin. It is, as far as he knows, the only way of coming down stairs. But sometimes he thinks there really is another way if only he could stop bumping a minute and think about it.”

Mr Obama’s approach will be popular in Europe, where President George W. Bush has spent the week on a farewell tour, arriving in Britain yesterday for meetings with the Queen and Gordon Brown.

In a subtle break from Mr Bush’s belief that the war on terror can be won, Mr Danzig, who is a Pentagon adviser on bioterrorism, warned that while the West can defeat individual terrorist groups and plots, it can never entirely remove the threat posed by nuclear proliferation or the prospect of bioterrorism.

In a briefing which will inform Mr Obama’s understanding of terrorists, Mr Danzig said he learnt much from recent interviews with jailed Aum Shinrikyo terrorists who released sarin nerve gas on the Tokyo underground in 1995.

He said that even people who are relatively well off and successful can feel like failures and become alientated from their societies. He said one terrorist told him: “We have been raised on a theory of superheroes. We all want to be like Luke Skywalker.

"When we’re doing mundane things, we lose track of our ambition but when someone comes along, like Asahara, the head of the cult, and presents himself as a messiah and gives us a picture of progress that is ordained by heaven and that we are carrying out a saintly mission on earth that is for us extraordinarily evocative.”

Mr Danzig added: “The parallels with al Qaeda are obvious.”

He said that another lesson about terrorists can be learnt from studying violent football fans. “One of the best books I’ve read on terrorism in recent years was not about terrorism at all,” he said. “It’s Bill Buford’s book Among the Thugs, which is a description of soccer violence in Britain.

“Buford became absorbed by soccer violence. He describes the most appalling examples of soccer violence by fans against fans. But he describes with relentless honesty how he finds sickening things attractive. He says violence lets the adrenaline flow; it’s like sex, you live in the moment.”


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Politics of fear from the right, nothing new here...yawn.


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when was the last time the enemy used a cartoon as a philosophy?

disney dreams from the left...nothing new here!

KEEP SMOKIN - THIS SH!T IS GETTING GOOD...


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