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I know it is not owned by an indivdual but it is an idea. I think he could bring back the half mile and bring in some big time races with the grandstands that we have in place. The talk is that he brought Eldora from the brink.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Why not just fire Lanny, tear down the grandstands build a much better racing facility one that could rival TMS,tear down all the horse barns so the horse peoples wont threaten the track anymore,get someone to promote races @ our new track such as Carson or Hill.

Steve Moyer CKS Fabrication & Welding                  
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I want my last words to be "damn this is fun"

Why not just buy out Remington Park and put the horse people out of the misery. Make the necessary changes and convert the horsetrack into a racetrack just like the good ole' days.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

The horse barns are not going anywhere. Like it or not but they do bring in more of a worldwide moeney than racing. I do remember that some of the people showing up to some of the horse shows are from Italy, Germany, Brazil, and even Japan.

Do I like it no, eventhough it is tied to my first degree in college, but you have to look at the big picture.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

I have a brother-in-law that works for him @ Macon in Ill. Stewert, Schrader , Wallace and Bob Sargent own it. I can make a phone call and put a bug in there ear and see if they would even think of leasing it. They would hire local people to run the weekly biz like they did in Macon I would guess.

remington park would be a BADASS sprintcar facility except you would have to buy out the zoo because of the noise. lol

Bobby Springer #25

I like Smiths idea even better, Fans can even bet on the cars.Catpuppy I was just trying to take a shot at the horse peoples tearing down their barns would be cool after all they're the ones that have been trying to take away the grandstands for years so they can build a grand entrance to SFP.Dont mess up my dream this track has a half mile on it.

Steve Moyer CKS Fabrication & Welding                  
CKS Chassis                                            
I want my last words to be "damn this is fun"

AH but Remington has the mile (or larger) for the USAC Silver Crown and ARCA dirt races plus I am sure a half mile and three eighths could be easily built too. No problem on the lighting nor the grandstands. Local businesses could buy a suite for them to host for their employees and could be used for their Christmas parties too. The ORA wouldn't have to look far for banquet facilities either.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Move the zoo to Lawton,Lanny will run that just fine.The way it sounds that track is a zoo.Their good drivers would be racing here @ Remington Speedway.

Steve Moyer CKS Fabrication & Welding                  
CKS Chassis                                            
I want my last words to be "damn this is fun"

I am not trying to kill your dream lol just letting you know some of the inside dealings lol.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

i think the idea of bringin back the half at okc isn't very good. not because i think it is a bad idea - which i do - but because we have bigger fish to fry at state fair speedway. we need a good promoter a stable racetrack to get something like that going. it needs a new wall - and thats 2 tracks to prep - have any of yall noticed the configuration of the 3/8ths track - or the light poles around it. by all right we will never see another race ont hat half mile - anyone to do it would most likely lose their ass on it. of course there are exceptions - but most involve better promoting. to offset the high cost of gettin that half mile ready ot race again - there would need much more fans in the stands - much more income.

i guess maybe because when the half mile was raced on i was young - i dont much partake in the whole glory days thing. i think the racing on the 3/8ths has been really good. half mile tracks are awesome - i dont dispute that. but lets be reasonable and quit pandering to the few teams with unlimited funds. racing the half mile on a weekly basis again would hurt the car count by far - in fact - as we all piss and moan about how the prices have gone so far out of control - this would only make it worse. i dont even feel the need to explain why - with common sense its obvious. one of the few things i will commend lanny edwards for is the 3/8ths mile. sure there are the few who want the half mile back - a few drivers too - but those in favor are the ones who could afford to tag the wall - or to consistently maintain 25-30 thousand dollar motors. not everyone can do that.

being realistic - we prob wont see another race in the half mile. its in no condition. if there was a group or individual who wanted to lose a shitload of money and have a race on it - well i would most surely go. but i do think much of the reason our show at sfs is still good is because of that 3/8ths. all round - the half mile is just to expensive. if i want to see it bad enough i'll go to knoxville, or the bowl, or sedalia. if we ever want to see half the cars we have now - then the half mile is a quick way to achieve that. i know a lot of folks on here want to see it - but the realities once we would get it would set in pretty damn quick. there are ways it could have been doable - but not with lanny edwards as promoter.

and that leads me to my next point. if anything we need to be more concerned about the promoting at sfs - as well as the lack of rules or tech they have. if lanny tweaks the way he does a things just a little - appreciated drivers and fans a bit more and a few other things - then kick ass i am all for it. other than that i just hope that if lanny wont do it - that someone else can and will. thats the more pressing issue for the track and for race fans. this aint a sswipe against lanny - but how the track is ran determines the short and long term futures of it. and with the prices of racing what they are - and gas getting higher and higher - we need nothing short of great promoting. jmo.

and btw - read on the hoseheads general forum of all related threads for the last 2 or 3 years. they aint too high on tony stewart up there. it aint him - but the track. 4 of every 5 races up there have fans waling away covered in dirt - which in itself is nothing - but its after watching what they all see as a piss poor no passing race. so if tony stewart could put someone in charge of track prep that is capable - well then kick ass. but it appears he has not been able to do that at eldora. lots and lots of disappointed people. but on the promoting side of it - i think it could be cool. except that eventually the gas prices will take their toll - on the traveling series i mean. sfs should have some nationals type mod and sprint races i think - but the touring series shows are nowhere near as good as our weekly show - especially when our weekly show is minus the factory stocks. last friday was awesome. good counts in all 3 classes and the racetrack was very racy - i mean - last friday was in my opinion the best show we have had yet this year. a couple of the accidents dampened my spirits. but aside from the ruts in the heats - that was an excellent race. and thats what i am saying. our weekly shows trump any of the traveling series shows - well i guess thats only ascs really. weekly shows have twice the sprints - more classes total (so more cars) and better racetracks usually. like the last ascs show we had - one of the worst races i have ever seen at sfs. actually i think it was the worst. all round. the track was pathetic and with a reduced car count there was simply not enough racing to iron it out. unless ascs can bring 35-45 sprints - i dont think 3 total classes are enough. and there should always be 4 classes racing - with 2 of those being sprints. so in effect - the last 3 weeks kicked ass - the next 3 weeks not so much. we have only supers 2 of the next 3 weeks. and then 2 sprint classes next week - but only 3 classes total that night. o well - if the track is really good and racy - that offsets some of it for me.

ok ya'll take your choice and which of 47 points in my post to argue lol. catpup i'm sorry if anyof this appears to be even slightly critical. aint meant to be. just rambling my thoughts in their entirety in 1 post. i think stability is the most crucial thing at sfs right now. if we have it - then maybe a race or 2 on the half mile could at least be considered. i just dont see it happening though. sorry to be a naysayer. but cup is half full i think. since the 3/8ths was built - the racing on it has been pretty good. and i still think lanny was right to make those changes. but i dont think he has capitalized on them as good as he could have.... ok i'll stop it there.

ok i will flip flop. if stewart had the track it would be huge as far as money goes. everyone in town would be tryin to hop on board. i mean everyone. with someone like stewart - the half mile is not only realistic - but likely. i am just saying - short of nascar driver with millions = who could get that half mile ready and keep 2 tracks in good shape every week? it would just take someone with a whole lot of money..............

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sfs is great for its central location. its right in the middle and everyone has around the same drives to it from anywhere in the metro. any other track to be built would not have that central location. it would be on a fringe of the metro so many would have longer drives. thats actually the smaller point.

the larger point is history and accomodation. sfs is still the best facility in oklahoma and further. concreted and lighted pits. awesome grandstand - no the po dunk bleachers shit like everywhere else. even accomdations for those who cant get around. handicap places and such. and still for reasons to be determined - the vast majority of the dust off the track somehow always goes up and over the canopy. it has been said something of voodoo dolls. LOL. but it still kicks ass.

who would be willing to build a track. i dont know of anyone - why? because it is not smart at all. this is a sport that has a future that is in all likelihood not good. mostly because the racecars RUN OFF OF OIL. thats where the lack of a rule book and the high cost of competitive top tier motors hurts the sport tremendously. those with money will always push to have the rules allow them to spend it - this entire sport has accomodated them well - and at the cost of the blue collar racers as well. the cost of fuel right now - both gas and especially methanol - stings even worse because of the rules we have had for a decade +. they should have never let the prices for motors and tires get that out of hand - many guys are spending more than they should alread just to put 10 thousand dollar motors in to play against the few with the 30k + - what will happen to these guys when gas is 6 bucks a gallon - and race fuel even more than it is now - the rising cost of gas alone will raise the cost of everything else - since all food and accessories and everything else we use and need - are based off of transportation. i aint even gonna go in to the not so distant chance that we could have gas rationing. so you see - because of what dirt track racing has done with allowing the price of racing to boom through the roof - it sits in a precarious position twhere its fate is directly tied in with that of the rising value of energy cost. it would be bad anyway - but its much worse because of the inaction by promoters to put rulebooks together that promote caps and low end spending - instead the rules and such have been promoting rising costs. and that goes str8 to the promoter - no one else. it aint manufactorers. they build whatever the demand is for. if the demand is for 35k 360 motors - they build it - if it is for 305 motors - they will build it. what determined all of this is the promoter and his rulebook. but yeah back to the point - why build a brand new track that it would take years to get back to even before you can ever start making a profit? when we are staring down rising costs that stand a large chance of destroying the sport? race tracks aint no good without race cars.and racecars aint no good without gas. and to take it even further - gas aint no good when its running out - and when its based on a US dollar that is in a pathetic state. wont go into why the dollar is so bad - i;ve typed most of my energy in the last 2 posts.

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now there is a good idea. aw screw the track surface - just having stewart over the track alone would fill the stands to capacity every week on novelty alone. with the influx of more money - the good races we have would probably get 2-3 times as good.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
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We went to a track up in Minesota I think it was in 1996 that was an old horse track. Very big and very fast. They even left part of the grandstands enclosed in glass and airconditioned. I think it was I-94 in Sauk Centre. I have thought for years Remington would be cool for that.

I guess someone forgot to tell the people who are building a new track on Hwy177 north of Asher, that the future of racing is dead. They seem to think its quite alive, or maybe they just have money to waste.

listen dude i aint saying the future is 100% done with - thats twisting my words. but all factors taken as a whole - its not the greatest of ideas to build another racetrack when you have such a great, nice, and historic facility such as state fair speedway already in place. thats my main point - with such a great place already there in a central location - there is no point to build another one.

again - sfs is an a+ facility - perfectly capable. there are very few reasons that sfs would ever shut down - it would have to take a whole bunch of missteps by promoter. and honestly - if sfs was ever torn down and another track built in its place - 95% would miss the shit out of sfs. its a great place with a ton of history. a ton of history.

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I have heard the people building it have tons of money and it is a training facility.

I was gonig by the fact about the Indians wanting to build that huge casino two miles from Remington and the horsemen saying that the casino would kill the horse business in the state. THUS stating putting Remington to use, where I didn't read ANYWHERE stating about SFS closing. But, guess we read what we want to read.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Silver Crown cars at Remington!!!!!!!!!

Love it!

Easy Brian, Deep Breath's , UHHH , Brian might need a Valium now. LOL

OKCFan12 I did'nt intend on anyone taking my post on here seriously.Was stating the way I feel about a few things.I realize that no body in their right mind would spend that much money on even half of what I posted.There are many issues with Lanny and his clowns @ SFS. Yes there is years of history there,If given the chance though IF another track was built like the one several of us on here keep dreaming about ( joking about ) you would not see a single car at SFS.History is not that significant.Racing in Okla will always be around and will change from time to time.I still say SFS never should have changed the tracks, we had The 1/2 mile track was a hp track but I have seen several guys field cars that could not afford it.( That family thing ).For the less expensive cars ( sorta ) We had the 1/4 track.That all worked great for many years.If you cant agree with this thats ok, all you have to do is ask some of the drivers like Dutch,Earnest or Harold the ones that have many laps behind them. Tracks can also be manipulated to pit driver against driver as you see with slick tracks.That eliminates a lot of the 25k engines vs 10k ones as far as having the advantage.BTW about the only way all the other stuff would happen is a type of maps tax increase.Remington Park cost just over one hundred million back then.

Steve Moyer CKS Fabrication & Welding                  
CKS Chassis                                            
I want my last words to be "damn this is fun"