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You could change the names of those rivers in China to any number of ones here in the USA back in the sixties. We had rivers that would catch on fire and Boston Harbour was lethal. It was in a big part the activist, hippies, counter culture, left wing, whatever name you choose, who brought it to the forefront and demanded action by our government. If you notice, they are fishing it thar river. Hell, we had rivers that fish couldn't live in AT ALL!! The reason they got that way is the same as what's happening in China now, money and greed.

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BigRightRear
March 23, 2008 at 10:38:24 AM
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and it just gets worse for Al Gore...wonder if those numbskulls on the board of the Nobel Peace Prize ever keep up with the actual science? well...considering Jimmie Carter and Arafat won awards Ii guess they don't want to muddy the waters with a few facts.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

Climate facts to warm to

Christopher Pearson | March 22, 2008

CATASTROPHIC predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.

Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.

Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth stillwarming?"

She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."

Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?"

Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's very significant."

Duffy: "It's not only that it's not discussed. We never hear it, do we? Whenever there's any sort of weather event that can be linked into the global warming orthodoxy, it's put on the front page. But a fact like that, which is that global warming stopped a decade ago, is virtually never reported, which is extraordinary."

Duffy then turned to the question of how the proponents of the greenhouse gas hypothesis deal with data that doesn't support their case. "People like Kevin Rudd and Ross Garnaut are speaking as though the Earth is still warming at an alarming rate, but what is the argument from the other side? What would people associated with the IPCC say to explain the (temperature) dip?"

Marohasy: "Well, the head of the IPCC has suggested natural factors are compensating for the increasing carbon dioxide levels and I guess, to some extent, that's what sceptics have been saying for some time: that, yes, carbon dioxide will give you some warming but there are a whole lot of other factors that may compensate or that may augment the warming from elevated levels of carbon dioxide.

"There's been a lot of talk about the impact of the sun and that maybe we're going to go through or are entering a period of less intense solar activity and this could be contributing to the current cooling."

Duffy: "Can you tell us about NASA's Aqua satellite, because I understand some of the data we're now getting is quite important in our understanding of how climate works?"

Marohasy: "That's right. The satellite was only launched in 2002 and it enabled the collection of data, not just on temperature but also on cloud formation and water vapour. What all the climate models suggest is that, when you've got warming from additional carbon dioxide, this will result in increased water vapour, so you're going to get a positive feedback. That's what the models have been indicating. What this great data from the NASA Aqua satellite ... (is) actually showing is just the opposite, that with a little bit of warming, weather processes are compensating, so they're actually limiting the greenhouse effect and you're getting a negative rather than a positive feedback."

Duffy: "The climate is actually, in one way anyway, more robust than was assumed in the climate models?"

Marohasy: "That's right ... These findings actually aren't being disputed by the meteorological community. They're having trouble digesting the findings, they're acknowledging the findings, they're acknowledging that the data from NASA's Aqua satellite is not how the models predict, and I think they're about to recognise that the models really do need to be overhauled and that when they are overhauled they will probably show greatly reduced future warming projected as a consequence of carbon dioxide."

Duffy: "From what you're saying, it sounds like the implications of this could beconsiderable ..."

Marohasy: "That's right, very much so. The policy implications are enormous. The meteorological community at the moment is really just coming to terms with the output from this NASA Aqua satellite and (climate scientist) Roy Spencer's interpretation of them. His work is published, his work is accepted, but I think people are still in shock at this point."

If Marohasy is anywhere near right about the impending collapse of the global warming paradigm, life will suddenly become a whole lot more interesting.

A great many founts of authority, from the Royal Society to the UN, most heads of government along with countless captains of industry, learned professors, commentators and journalists will be profoundly embarrassed. Let us hope it is a prolonged and chastening experience.

With catastrophe off the agenda, for most people the fog of millennial gloom will lift, at least until attention turns to the prospect of the next ice age. Among the better educated, the sceptical cast of mind that is the basis of empiricism will once again be back in fashion. The delusion that by recycling and catching public transport we can help save the planet will quickly come to be seen for the childish nonsense it was all along.

The poorest Indians and Chinese will be left in peace to work their way towards prosperity, without being badgered about the size of their carbon footprint, a concept that for most of us will soon be one with Nineveh and Tyre, clean forgotten in six months.

The scores of town planners in Australia building empires out of regulating what can and can't be built on low-lying shorelines will have to come to terms with the fact inundation no longer impends and find something more plausible to do. The same is true of the bureaucrats planning to accommodate "climate refugees".

Penny Wong's climate mega-portfolio will suddenly be as ephemeral as the ministries for the year 2000 that state governments used to entrust to junior ministers. Malcolm Turnbull will have to reinvent himself at vast speed as a climate change sceptic and the Prime Minister will have to kiss goodbye what he likes to call the great moral issue and policy challenge of our times.

It will all be vastly entertaining to watch.

THE Age published an essay with an environmental theme by Ian McEwan on March 8 and its stablemate, The Sydney Morning Herald, also carried a slightly longer version of the same piece.

The Australian's Cut & Paste column two days later reproduced a telling paragraph from the Herald's version, which suggested that McEwan was a climate change sceptic and which The Age had excised. He was expanding on the proposition that "we need not only reliable data but their expression in the rigorous use of statistics".

What The Age decided to spare its readers was the following: "Well-meaning intellectual movements, from communism to post-structuralism, have a poor history of absorbing inconvenient fact or challenges to fundamental precepts. We should not ignore or suppress good indicators on the environment, though they have become extremely rare now. It is tempting to the layman to embrace with enthusiasm the latest bleak scenario because it fits the darkness of our soul, the prevailing cultural pessimism. The imagination, as Wallace Stevens once said, is always at the end of an era. But we should be asking, or expecting others to ask, for the provenance of the data, the assumptions fed into the computer model, the response of the peer review community, and so on. Pessimism is intellectually delicious, even thrilling, but the matter before us is too serious for mere self-pleasuring. It would be self-defeating if the environmental movement degenerated into a religion of gloomy faith. (Faith, ungrounded certainty, is no virtue.)"

The missing sentences do not appear anywhere else in The Age's version of the essay. The attribution reads: "Copyright Ian McEwan 2008" and there is no acknowledgment of editing by The Age.

Why did the paper decide to offer its readers McEwan lite? Was he, I wonder, consulted on the matter? And isn't there a nice irony that The Age chose to delete the line about ideologues not being very good at "absorbing inconvenient fact"?

 


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

BigRightRear
May 09, 2008 at 01:28:17 PM
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more bad news for Al Gore and his gorons as the cooling trend continues!

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html

UNITED STATES

Climate Summary

April 2008

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The average temperature in April 2008 was 51.0 F. This was -1.0 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 29th coolest April in 114 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.

2.39 inches of precipitation fell in April. This was -0.04 inches less than the 1901-2000 average, the 54th driest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.01 inches per decade.

 

 


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May


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May 09, 2008 at 02:07:29 PM
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BRR.... Dude you have way to much time on your hands. Maybe one day they'll get a race in at the Grove, so that you'll have something better to do with your time then beat that dead horse over and over again. Oh by the way, it's 80 degrees out here and racing happening tonight and then tomorrow 80 plus degrees for the Tulare race as well. Gotta love it. See ya sometime at a race-track


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BigRightRear
May 09, 2008 at 03:04:22 PM
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tonight we are rained out at the Grove...and to date the WoO has the worst rainout record going in 08 so you can thank barak Obama that you live in CA!

don't take these cool temps personally even though they may upset the leftist agenda...there is plenty of hot air coming out of the liberal candidates to keep the campaign trail warm.


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

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tonight we are rained out at the Grove...and to date the WoO has the worst rainout record going in 08 so you can thank barak Obama that you live in CA!

don't take these cool temps personally even though they may upset the leftist agenda...there is plenty of hot air coming out of the liberal candidates to keep the campaign trail warm.



that brown stuff coming out of their mouth's may be hot, but it ain't air


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tonight we are rained out at the Grove...and to date the WoO has the worst rainout record going in 08 so you can thank barak Obama that you live in CA!

don't take these cool temps personally even though they may upset the leftist agenda...there is plenty of hot air coming out of the liberal candidates to keep the campaign trail warm.



I thought liberal Hollywood had climate change causing the next ice age...lol?


 

 

 

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BigRightRear
May 21, 2008 at 08:36:41 PM
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global horseshit takes one in the shorts again!

http://www.theolympian.com/704/story/455367.html

Many ski areas finish with record-breaking seasons

By Scott Sandsberry | Yakima Herald-Republic • Published May 21, 2008

Ski areas throughout the Northwest had such great snow in the 2007-08 winter that neither its November absence nor its road-closing, midwinter surplus could prevent a banner year for the winter-sports industry.

Several resorts - including the Summit at Snoqualmie - set new highs in skier/snowboarder visits and others, like White Pass, had seasons that ranked among their all-time best.

Snoqualmie's total of 714,000 user visits through April 30 already was more than 100,000 higher than its previous best winter. Washington's 49 Degrees North and Oregon's Mount Hood Meadows both set all-time records for skier visits, and White Pass had one of its top five years, with about 130,600 visits.

In all, Washington ski resorts will finish with about 2.1 million visits, about 50,000 off the record winter of 2001-02.

'No November'

"These numbers are remarkable, because we had no November," said Scott Kaden, president of Pacific Northwest Ski Areas Association. "Some ski areas had to wait two weeks into December to get open, and some even had to wait three or four weeks.

"In order to get a record, you almost have to be open in November; those November numbers are very hard to recoup over the course of a season," he said.

Only one Washington ski area, Mission Ridge, was able to open for Thanksgiving, and it was open for one weekend. White Pass had the same kind of suspended anticipation - opening for the Dec. 1- 2 weekend, then powering down the lifts until reopening Dec. 13.

Blocked passes

By mid-December, most resorts were open and the snow just kept coming - so much, in fact, that even the diligent snow-removal crews from the state Department of Transportation couldn't always keep up with the deluge.

"Snoqualmie had seven days of lost operation in the heart of the season, and White Pass lost four days because Highway 12 was closed," Kaden said. "There were days when Stevens, Snoqualmie Pass and White were all closed - there was no east-west traffic in the entire state of Washington, and yet these (resorts) did exceptionally well, given the circumstances."

The Summit at Snoqualmie lost parts or all of six operating days to highway closures and another day when a storm knocked out the ski area's power.

"There's definitely an ouch factor there. But, that being said, it really was a blip on the radar, because it's really been a strong season despite the obstacles," said Guy Lawrence, marketing director at the Summit at Snoqualmie.

High-quality snow

"We had awesome snow conditions, and I'm not just talking snowpack - you have the amount of snow, which creates a lot of interest and hype, but really, it was the quality of the snow. Traditionally, we get a lot of rain events in the Northwest, but we had almost no rain events, so the quality of the snow was preserved and it was just excellent snow day in and day out. There were a lot of powder days, and it got talked up a lot in the marketplace."

White Pass was open 125 days, about 20 days less than the previous winter, and lost four days in midseason - spanning a weekend, thereby costing as many as 6,000 skier visits - when heavy snows and avalanche conditions closed the pass and the ski area. Even with that late start and the midseason closures, though, the 130,600 put the ski area basically in line with its five-year average of about 132,000 - nearly 50 percent more than what White Pass typically drew two decades ago.

Parking shuttle

"It was a great year to have that parking shuttle," White Pass marketing director Kathleen Goyette said, referring to the 14-seat shuttle in its first year of shortening the hike-in for visitors to the ski area.

Parking "was probably our biggest concern," Goyette said, "but that little shuttle bus toted people and their gear up and down the highway. And it was the right year to have it, because we really needed it."

Record numbers

To the northeast, 49 Degrees North set a record for skier visits with more than 95,000, continuing its upward climb since nearly doubling its skiable acres in 2004 to more than 2,000 and adding a quad lift. Mount Hood Meadows, meanwhile, set its own record for visits with more than 509,000.

 


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

cubicdollars
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Click here, for video of Bush saying "Global warming is real."


 

 

 

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This message was edited on May 22, 2008 at 10:15:53 AM by BigRightRear

if global warming is real when the average temperature rises...then global cooling is just as real when the average temperature falls!

nice to see you supporting and trumpeting what Bush says...there is still hope for the lost!


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

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if global warming is real when the average temperature rises...then global cooling is just as real when the average temperature falls!

nice to see you supporting and trumpeting what Bush says...there is still hope for the lost!



Ice melts when it gets colder? Now you're trying to rewrite the laws of nature...lol? Climate change might be "good" in the near term for the economies of countries that are located in higher latitudes... So pollution is good for the North country, oil shortages are good for the Arabs, and five race motors are good for parts manufacturers. All is well, God bless conservatism.

Record Sea Ice Minimum

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17800


 

 

 

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oh, silly me...you are entitled to move the goal posts...now it is the size of a piece of ICE and not "global warming". glad you don't want to pigeon hole yourself to any standard.

stop over to my refrigerator...the cubes are getting smaller there too...HELP HELP HELP...ITS A GLOBAL EMERGENCY!

oh and BTW: Al Gore's bald spot is getting bigger...reflecting heat back into the atmosphere and has shrunk Barak Obama's nutsack to the point that his WIFE will now be choosing an acceptable running mate.


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May


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oh, silly me...you are entitled to move the goal posts...now it is the size of a piece of ICE and not "global warming". glad you don't want to pigeon hole yourself to any standard.

stop over to my refrigerator...the cubes are getting smaller there too...HELP HELP HELP...ITS A GLOBAL EMERGENCY!

oh and BTW: Al Gore's bald spot is getting bigger...reflecting heat back into the atmosphere and has shrunk Barak Obama's nutsack to the point that his WIFE will now be choosing an acceptable running mate.



Just the same, a lot of liberal extremist pinkos might still consider a NASA polar ice cap study to have more of a global implication than the article you posted on Pacific Northwest ski conditions...lol.


 

 

 

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yeah, like this info based on NASA numbers?

http://www.climatecooling.org/

or the links above that you ignored in lieu of pretty color illustrations?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

get out your coat...it is Memorial Day and over night temps are still in the low 40s...snow flurries overnight in the midstate.


Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

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Can somebody e-mail me if this conversation ever gets around to universal healthcare or gay marriage? I'm so bored by climate change that I am *this close* to just telling BRR that he's right. But I'm always up for a good argument about why I can't marry a woman. Thanks!

P.S. I miss you guys.

P.P.S. I am totally thinking about coming to Knoxville at least once or twice this year. Duane, your Mid-Iowa Roller Girls are coming to bout against us this Saturday. We're going to destroy them.


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Can somebody e-mail me if this conversation ever gets around to universal healthcare or gay marriage? I'm so bored by climate change that I am *this close* to just telling BRR that he's right. But I'm always up for a good argument about why I can't marry a woman. Thanks!

P.S. I miss you guys.

P.P.S. I am totally thinking about coming to Knoxville at least once or twice this year. Duane, your Mid-Iowa Roller Girls are coming to bout against us this Saturday. We're going to destroy them.



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Ice melts when it gets colder? Now you're trying to rewrite the laws of nature...lol? Climate change might be "good" in the near term for the economies of countries that are located in higher latitudes... So pollution is good for the North country, oil shortages are good for the Arabs, and five race motors are good for parts manufacturers. All is well, God bless conservatism.

Record Sea Ice Minimum

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17800



instead of arguing it in any fashion - I'll just say that last sentence was pretty damn funny. no sarcasm - seriously I got a good laugh from it.

On the side and in a respectful manner - I'd like to ask some of the more ardent anti-climate change folks a question. as the GOP generally embraces - or admits or whatever - that climate change is real and humans are playing the majority of the cause ------- the very very minute few left who think it is a farce - what political party will they be affiliated with that could properly rep their views?

either McCain or Obama are - umm..... how to say it - - - in favor of taking drastic measures to address the issue - - - so yeah the few left who think it is all a conspiracy - - - who would they then support on local, state, and federal levels of government. this aint really the way I want to ask the ? but I cant come up with the better terms and stuff. gosh darn anxiety for seeing a race tonite and then comin home and watchin another one on tv..............dont think a better friday is possible - unless the track surface at OKC tonite sux and then the WoO show sux too - then the deciding factor would be whether or not when my girl gets home I get....................


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yeah, like this info based on NASA numbers?

http://www.climatecooling.org/

or the links above that you ignored in lieu of pretty color illustrations?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

get out your coat...it is Memorial Day and over night temps are still in the low 40s...snow flurries overnight in the midstate.



Global temperature did hit a peak in 1998...but how long until we surpass even that benchmark? Global warming is a big picture issue, not just in certain areas or years. Kind of like your ski forecast...lol. Where the jet stream runs has a lot to do with that. Mother nature blows off steam in North America by dumping it up the Gulf and across the plains... and if you ask just about anyone... she seems to be doing a pretty good job of it...lol. Thank God we mostly just get the remnants around here. I am conservative in the fact that I think we will run out of fossil fuels before catastrophic damage can be done to the environment. With the price of oil going so high it seems to be happening sooner than later anyway, so the situation seems to be taking care of itself. Over population seems to be the other main problem... and Mother Nature also usually seems to take care of herself there in the end as well?

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and it was 42 degrees the other night...i think it is time to the temperature squad to take their own temperature and worry about that for awhile...the Earth has been the Earth for a few trillion years...and the temperature has been even WARMER than it was in 1998 - centuries before anyone was was driving race rigs around the country and stinking up the stratosphere woith Al Gore's jet exhaust.

when the Earth WARMS - crops grow in areas that would otherwise not produce food and it has tradititionally been refereed to as a climate "optimum"...when the Earth COOLS we have seen famine and famine borne illnesses down through history that threatened mankind's very existence as several points.

your fuzzy littlke graphs are talking about TENTHS of a degree averaged over an entire year...kinda like measuring your beard because you forgot to shave one day and declaring a global emergency.

not until liberals realized that warm temperatures exposed them to actual sweat did this become a "problem". maybe we should simply BAN air conditioning in blue cities and make the ozone whole again? the blue cities stink enough as it is...maybe they would get the hint?

btw: more fuels oil was burned trhis last year as a result of a "long and harsh winter"...there was even snow in Baghdad for the first time in decades. refusal to recognize actual global cooling in 2007 and its related dangers is CLEAR EVIDENCE that an AGENDA is at play and you skunks are running for cover - under 10 year old evidence collected under suspicious circumstances.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=7560925&nav=menu183_17_14

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

and here are a few dumbasses from NASA who actually contend that the SUN warms the planet...and not some cowfart from a farm in Iowa. the nerve of these people to point out the obvious just when the petals are falling off of Al Gore's ruse!

Main Entry:
ruse Listen to the pronunciation of ruse
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French, from Old French, roundabout path taken by fleeing game, trickery, from reuser
Date:
1625
: a wily subterfuge
synonyms see trick

http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html

http://www.spaceandscience.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/PressReleaseSSRC1-2008.doc

 

 

 


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cubicdollars
May 23, 2008 at 11:19:46 AM
Joined: 02/27/2005
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This message was edited on May 23, 2008 at 11:22:45 AM by cubicdollars
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Posted By: BigRightRear on May 23 2008 at 10:31:41 AM

and it was 42 degrees the other night...i think it is time to the temperature squad to take their own temperature and worry about that for awhile...the Earth has been the Earth for a few trillion years...and the temperature has been even WARMER than it was in 1998 - centuries before anyone was was driving race rigs around the country and stinking up the stratosphere woith Al Gore's jet exhaust.

when the Earth WARMS - crops grow in areas that would otherwise not produce food and it has tradititionally been refereed to as a climate "optimum"...when the Earth COOLS we have seen famine and famine borne illnesses down through history that threatened mankind's very existence as several points.

your fuzzy littlke graphs are talking about TENTHS of a degree averaged over an entire year...kinda like measuring your beard because you forgot to shave one day and declaring a global emergency.

not until liberals realized that warm temperatures exposed them to actual sweat did this become a "problem". maybe we should simply BAN air conditioning in blue cities and make the ozone whole again? the blue cities stink enough as it is...maybe they would get the hint?

btw: more fuels oil was burned trhis last year as a result of a "long and harsh winter"...there was even snow in Baghdad for the first time in decades. refusal to recognize actual global cooling in 2007 and its related dangers is CLEAR EVIDENCE that an AGENDA is at play and you skunks are running for cover - under 10 year old evidence collected under suspicious circumstances.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=7560925&nav=menu183_17_14

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

and here are a few dumbasses from NASA who actually contend that the SUN warms the planet...and not some cowfart from a farm in Iowa. the nerve of these people to point out the obvious just when the petals are falling off of Al Gore's ruse!

Main Entry:
ruse Listen to the pronunciation of ruse
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French, from Old French, roundabout path taken by fleeing game, trickery, from reuser
Date:
1625
: a wily subterfuge
synonyms see trick

http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html

http://www.spaceandscience.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/PressReleaseSSRC1-2008.doc

 

 

 



Pollution still isn't good for the environment whether you believe in man-made climate change or not.

  • 60% of world ecosystem services have been degraded
  • Of 24 evaluated ecosystems, 15 are being damaged
  • About 20% of corals were lost in just 20 years; 20% degraded
  • Nutrient pollution has led to eutrophication of waters and coastal dead zones
  • Species extinction is now 100-1,000 times above the normal background rate

And as far as temperature goes, the main problem seems to be that ice melts at 32 degrees. It doesn't take much of a difference to melt the ice caps during the summer when most experts are projecting between a 1.5 to 5 degree increase in global temperature over the next century. Hey, I'm just a redneck from Pennsyltucky myself, but it still seems like common sense to me?

Projected Global Temperature (United Nations Millennium Assessment)

Temperature trends and projections (map/graphic/illustration)

http://www.millenniumassessment.org/en/index.aspx


 

 

 

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