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linbob
January 03, 2022 at 04:54:15 PM
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Do we need 950HP engines if drivers can not use it.  I think it was Larson who said I have never run a race at full throttle.  The drivers are trying to take HP out of engines by retarding engine timing, change injecters, put smaller intake stacks in and things in MSD box.  People are spending 60-70 thousand on engines they must detune come feature time.  Wy not `1.6 rockers instead of 1.7 or 2 1/2 max intake stacks instead of 3 in.  Very easy to check.  Weekend racers can  not aford these engines.  If they buy one they are nuts.  Rebuilds are 10=15 thousand.  WOO would not want any rule that made weekend racers more competative.




glhayden
January 03, 2022 at 09:13:50 PM
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Posted By: linbob on January 03 2022 at 04:54:15 PM

Do we need 950HP engines if drivers can not use it.  I think it was Larson who said I have never run a race at full throttle.  The drivers are trying to take HP out of engines by retarding engine timing, change injecters, put smaller intake stacks in and things in MSD box.  People are spending 60-70 thousand on engines they must detune come feature time.  Wy not `1.6 rockers instead of 1.7 or 2 1/2 max intake stacks instead of 3 in.  Very easy to check.  Weekend racers can  not aford these engines.  If they buy one they are nuts.  Rebuilds are 10=15 thousand.  WOO would not want any rule that made weekend racers more competative.



The day that Karl Kinser said that God, and Moses in a side car, couldn't drive a sprint car with 1,000HP settled it for me. And 950 is pretty close.



digs
January 04, 2022 at 06:46:33 AM
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And I think it was the infamous Karl K. who said that thing between the engine and fuel tank is just a spacer (aka driver).




FORD97
January 04, 2022 at 07:39:29 AM
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Posted By: linbob on January 03 2022 at 04:54:15 PM

Do we need 950HP engines if drivers can not use it.  I think it was Larson who said I have never run a race at full throttle.  The drivers are trying to take HP out of engines by retarding engine timing, change injecters, put smaller intake stacks in and things in MSD box.  People are spending 60-70 thousand on engines they must detune come feature time.  Wy not `1.6 rockers instead of 1.7 or 2 1/2 max intake stacks instead of 3 in.  Very easy to check.  Weekend racers can  not aford these engines.  If they buy one they are nuts.  Rebuilds are 10=15 thousand.  WOO would not want any rule that made weekend racers more competative.



I'm not entirely certain of what you're trying to say here, but let me offer some insight.

Most of the engine development of the last couple of decades is not around developing bulk horsepower, but in tweaking the overall horsepower curve and torque curve to get it to perfrom the way you want it on a dirt track. Certainly overall horsepower has increased and that's a great selling point. But better performance, likely coming out of the turns, is where an engine builder is really making his gains.

Do you think TSR has been chasing overall horsepower, or are they trying to massage the Ford to make power when Donny needs it on the track? I'm quite certain that engine has more than enough bulk horsepower. 


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tenter
January 04, 2022 at 01:22:32 PM
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It's hard to beat horsepower when time trialing. Most big races are time trial shows , so horsepower is needed to get you up front for race time.



TMATT
January 04, 2022 at 03:34:52 PM
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Posted By: linbob on January 03 2022 at 04:54:15 PM

Do we need 950HP engines if drivers can not use it.  I think it was Larson who said I have never run a race at full throttle.  The drivers are trying to take HP out of engines by retarding engine timing, change injecters, put smaller intake stacks in and things in MSD box.  People are spending 60-70 thousand on engines they must detune come feature time.  Wy not `1.6 rockers instead of 1.7 or 2 1/2 max intake stacks instead of 3 in.  Very easy to check.  Weekend racers can  not aford these engines.  If they buy one they are nuts.  Rebuilds are 10=15 thousand.  WOO would not want any rule that made weekend racers more competative.



More crying about the weekend racer that can't afford engines.   Yawn

 




cubicdollars
January 06, 2022 at 07:50:59 PM
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Less than 900 hp needed when the money is on the line. Most teams detune. Expensive 2 laps at the beginning of the night. Just mandate one wing profile and make them run it flat in the beginning of the night. Sooner or later common sense has to kick in. TT and heat races are boring anyway. Wing flat would be more exciting for the fans. What would NASCAR do. Level the playing field. Screw Ford, Toyota, whoever is coming in spending millions.


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


tenter
January 07, 2022 at 02:29:38 AM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 06 2022 at 07:50:59 PM

Less than 900 hp needed when the money is on the line. Most teams detune. Expensive 2 laps at the beginning of the night. Just mandate one wing profile and make them run it flat in the beginning of the night. Sooner or later common sense has to kick in. TT and heat races are boring anyway. Wing flat would be more exciting for the fans. What would NASCAR do. Level the playing field. Screw Ford, Toyota, whoever is coming in spending millions.



What would NASCAR do??? I'm sure they'd ruin it somehow.

 



alum.427
January 07, 2022 at 05:52:28 AM
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Detune. Well, someone finally gets it. I'll give you another one, wheel speed. That's the difference between an average crew chief /driver combo and the really good ones.  As soon as the track starts to get slick I'll  put my money on the guy that can take HP out of the motor and the driver that can keep the tires under him. 

That's what is wrong with most racing, the guy that time trails well beats half the field, and yes that usually takes HP.




linbob
January 07, 2022 at 05:49:02 PM
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Posted By: TMATT on January 04 2022 at 03:34:52 PM

More crying about the weekend racer that can't afford engines.   Yawn

 



I can see you really care about racing in the future.  I bet you will really like the `12 car fields in the future and an announcer that tells you how great the races are.



Wesmar
January 07, 2022 at 06:34:32 PM
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Posted By: linbob on January 03 2022 at 04:54:15 PM

Do we need 950HP engines if drivers can not use it.  I think it was Larson who said I have never run a race at full throttle.  The drivers are trying to take HP out of engines by retarding engine timing, change injecters, put smaller intake stacks in and things in MSD box.  People are spending 60-70 thousand on engines they must detune come feature time.  Wy not `1.6 rockers instead of 1.7 or 2 1/2 max intake stacks instead of 3 in.  Very easy to check.  Weekend racers can  not aford these engines.  If they buy one they are nuts.  Rebuilds are 10=15 thousand.  WOO would not want any rule that made weekend racers more competative.



Yep, I agree



HardTopDave
January 08, 2022 at 04:15:44 AM
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Posted By: glhayden on January 03 2022 at 09:13:50 PM

The day that Karl Kinser said that God, and Moses in a side car, couldn't drive a sprint car with 1,000HP settled it for me. And 950 is pretty close.



Thats one of my favorite quotes of all time




Dryslick Willie
January 08, 2022 at 05:15:19 AM
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Posted By: HardTopDave on January 08 2022 at 04:15:44 AM

Thats one of my favorite quotes of all time



Well of course Moses couldn't, because he was way old...



HardTopDave
January 08, 2022 at 07:18:36 AM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on January 08 2022 at 05:15:19 AM

Well of course Moses couldn't, because he was way old...



My other fav quote is from the drag racing world..

 

“I didn’t want to tell my momma that I spent 20 years in drag racing, so I told her I was in prison.”

T.C. Lemmons

 

He was pretty serious, it shows what life was like in a small southern town in the 50-60s



EasyE
January 08, 2022 at 01:33:21 PM
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Posted By: linbob on January 03 2022 at 04:54:15 PM

Do we need 950HP engines if drivers can not use it.  I think it was Larson who said I have never run a race at full throttle.  The drivers are trying to take HP out of engines by retarding engine timing, change injecters, put smaller intake stacks in and things in MSD box.  People are spending 60-70 thousand on engines they must detune come feature time.  Wy not `1.6 rockers instead of 1.7 or 2 1/2 max intake stacks instead of 3 in.  Very easy to check.  Weekend racers can  not aford these engines.  If they buy one they are nuts.  Rebuilds are 10=15 thousand.  WOO would not want any rule that made weekend racers more competative.



Larson means he has never kept the car floored the whole race and I'm gona say he meant an Amain.  They are using everything on the straights at the least at most tracks early in the night TT and heats 




revjimk
January 09, 2022 at 10:09:29 AM
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Posted By: glhayden on January 03 2022 at 09:13:50 PM

The day that Karl Kinser said that God, and Moses in a side car, couldn't drive a sprint car with 1,000HP settled it for me. And 950 is pretty close.



Yea, but Moses could make the lappers part like the Red Sea! wink



Murphy
January 10, 2022 at 07:11:47 AM
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Posted By: TMATT on January 04 2022 at 03:34:52 PM

More crying about the weekend racer that can't afford engines.   Yawn

 



It's not just the weekend racers. It's also the lower tier WoO racers. Do you think, for example, that Wayne Johnson has the same HP engine as Brad Sweet? Once the weekend racers are gone, it's the beginning of the end. Where does that leave the WoO?



YRB12
January 10, 2022 at 06:33:04 PM
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This message was edited on January 10, 2022 at 06:33:27 PM by YRB12

I was always told that there is no replacement for displacement 




straight shooter
January 11, 2022 at 11:34:29 AM
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Posted By: Murphy on January 10 2022 at 07:11:47 AM

It's not just the weekend racers. It's also the lower tier WoO racers. Do you think, for example, that Wayne Johnson has the same HP engine as Brad Sweet? Once the weekend racers are gone, it's the beginning of the end. Where does that leave the WoO?



You could mandate a HP rule & then it would come down to the man who has the right cam + other smaller factors.

 



egras
January 11, 2022 at 12:51:46 PM
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Posted By: FORD97 on January 04 2022 at 07:39:29 AM

I'm not entirely certain of what you're trying to say here, but let me offer some insight.

Most of the engine development of the last couple of decades is not around developing bulk horsepower, but in tweaking the overall horsepower curve and torque curve to get it to perfrom the way you want it on a dirt track. Certainly overall horsepower has increased and that's a great selling point. But better performance, likely coming out of the turns, is where an engine builder is really making his gains.

Do you think TSR has been chasing overall horsepower, or are they trying to massage the Ford to make power when Donny needs it on the track? I'm quite certain that engine has more than enough bulk horsepower. 



You beat me to it.  The peak horsepower is simply a result-------------not a target





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