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Holtgraver signed on as a member with the All Stars and sits in victory lane with the front wing saying that.Hello, he should not even get paid! Breach of contract in the first degree! I understand his car owner has stock in the new series that has maybe 1 or 2 tracks backing them but If I owned the All Stars I would say you made your own bed know sleep in it.

elaborate a little please?

Are you not allowed to write down what was on the wing?

Blake

Don't accept his entry if it's a problem.

And no I am not Webb. But the timing of this new series is wrong. Points money has been thrown out the window. Now Webb can probably pay all debts with the money he saved with these teams all defecting before the season has ended. Sorry but its right there in the rule book!  Webb can pay Blaney And Haud for sticking with him. Just for the record I live in Findlay , Ohio, the headquarters for whatever they call this new series. Its all about the fans and tracks,,what would the normal business do stick your neck out or go against what pays the bills?

it said all that on his front wing?

The original poster is an apologist and a boot licker for the All-Stars who is ****** off that Holtgraver kicked their asses tonight. Hint: if the rest of the ASCoC don't want to see Holtgraver's message in Victory Lane, get faster and beat him.

What was on the front black wing is the revolution has started. This is the motto for this new series going against the All Stars. They say by racing at Attica tonight supports The track ,,one of the two that not yet committed. Atomic is committed but Attica is riding the fence.

Ok then we will see how many races this new series gets without Eldora,Fremont,Wayne county,limaland,Sharon,And Waynesfield. Good luck without a 30 plus year name.And they are central located in Findlay?

Sorry ,what the front wing said is the revolution is here,and on the top of the front wing it said The renegade series. Its on twitter under renegade series a closer pic.

What I don't get is people badmouthing the series & owner then some are doing something for what they believe in & they are getting crapped on.  Go Renegades.

They did mention Hannagans win at Atomic without the Series name.

I went tonight and paid 30 bucks for which 15 of it went to the Lucas Oil series. If I had any Idea they would start the fast guys in the front row like that I would have stayed home. Since they started 7 cars in a heat & took 4 it would have been worth my money to see the likes of Bloomquist, Birkhofer, Erb, Pearson & the like start in the 3rd row.

I forget who won the 1 heat but people were clapping & I said you clap for that shit.

After the 1 heat of sprints I said you see that Lucas Oil thats racing.

Some of the posts on here are astounding. A 30-year-plus name that the current owner has had nothing but a negative impact on and can't pay points money? Better stick with em! 

The more posts I see like this, the more I hope the Renegades wipe the ASCoC off the face of the planet. It's sad given the storied history of the series, but fans deserve more than what the ASCoC has been providing and will provide without the strong contingent of Ohio cars they've lost to the Renegades.

Some of the posts in this thread are just bizarre. A meesage on a front wing is "breach of contract" or a "slap in the face." But screwing raceteam(s) out of at least $20,000 in point fund money are some kind of stand-up, honorable and ethcial traits? Sheeeeyeah, on what planet?

This story is getting more and more bizarre.  If I called Jeremy Idiot..err Elliott and told him how many of these race teams have stiffed hard working engine builders and part suppliers do you think he would do a story?? Sympathy for some but not for others??

This whole f*****g sport is full of deadbeats. That's why it's dying.

Haha, this board is great entertainment sometimes.

The thread is combination of pathetic and bizarre wrapped up in one. The defense of the All-Stars screwing their racers is that racers screw their engine builders. I am not so sure how sympathetic a judge or collection agency  would be if I stop paying my bills and my defense was that it is perfectly acceptable to **** people I owe money to because other people do it as well.

Whatever it takes to justify Guy Webb screwing the racers, I guess. That sure is some pathetic/bizarre logic, though.

Yes, and what happened to the OUTLAW racer that runs where and when he wants to that everyone says they like.

After Guy Webb shot his mouth off in Area Auto Racing News about Danny Holtgraver this week I don't blame Danny for sporting that front wing.