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February 14, 2012 at
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The WOO tour lost Jason Meyers, Jason Sides and Paul McMahon this year. All three were top 5 drivers in points and all are very popular drivers. So where does the future of WOO go from here?
Steve is near 60 and he still is the TOP draw for the WOO but for how much longer? Sammy is about mid-50's too. Jason Meyers and Donnie may have won the last 6-7 titles but let's be honest, Steve and Sammy are still the top draw. We liked the Jasons and Paul, we like Joey & Dollansky but after that it gets thin really quick.
I've been following the WOO for nearly 35 years and I am suspect of the future of WOO. Once Steve and Sammy have retired, who will draw fans to WOO events? Yes, I will still go to see dirt track racing with sprints, midgest and modifieds, but the WOO better do something quick if they wish to remain the top touring sprint car series.
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Posted By: budz76 on February 14 2012 at 02:36:18 PM
The WOO tour lost Jason Meyers, Jason Sides and Paul McMahon this year. All three were top 5 drivers in points and all are very popular drivers. So where does the future of WOO go from here?
Steve is near 60 and he still is the TOP draw for the WOO but for how much longer? Sammy is about mid-50's too. Jason Meyers and Donnie may have won the last 6-7 titles but let's be honest, Steve and Sammy are still the top draw. We liked the Jasons and Paul, we like Joey & Dollansky but after that it gets thin really quick.
I've been following the WOO for nearly 35 years and I am suspect of the future of WOO. Once Steve and Sammy have retired, who will draw fans to WOO events? Yes, I will still go to see dirt track racing with sprints, midgest and modifieds, but the WOO better do something quick if they wish to remain the top touring sprint car series.
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yes you are correct..How canWOO charge the same amount for sanction fees to track for just 8 drivers??
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February 14, 2012 at
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They coold cuts the purses in 2 and run more races and you'all will be prasing them like a other nonwn seeres did!
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I must agree with both of the previous comments,perhaps if the powers that are there now would quit and sell the series to Bruton or to both the Petty's it could be resurrected to what it once was,but things being what they are today the teams or racers themselves face a huge challenge just finding sponsor support to run all those shows in the most competitive touring series in the country. I don't find fault with the WRG but they too are victims of this government,and the rules and regulations we all must live by today and the WRG in my opinion is certainly a small business,and watch the nay sayers jump on that,but the little guys in business today keep getting beat over the head by the government,and it hurts them,it hurts the individuals and the company sponsors,much less try to sell a show for XXX dollars by guaranteeing 8-10 cars with the show to be supported by the locals......racing is a very tough business and a few rainouts could be the biggest smack of all lets just keep hoping it turns around soon.
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February 14, 2012 at
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It's all Obama's fault!
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February 14, 2012 at
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Posted By: boggsdude on February 14 2012 at 04:02:15 PM
It's all Obama's fault!
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February 14, 2012 at
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February 14, 2012 at
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Posted By: linbob on February 14 2012 at 02:45:41 PM
yes you are correct..How canWOO charge the same amount for sanction fees to track for just 8 drivers??
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They seem to be doing okay with what they are charging.....their schedule is bigger than it has been for many years so track promotors seem to have a different opinion than you do.
They will survive...they always have and will continue too as well.
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February 14, 2012 at
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Ref:Boggsdude,I did not say Obama at all,its the whole Federal government putting their nose into holding back small businesses by implementing all these quarterly tax reports,health and benefit insurance regulation,hiring practices,and labor and management laws,a lot of them installed long before Obama was President,but they only took effect under his administration,so I guess you should have a business and put up with all the red tape before you throw you start pushing buttons and engaging into something you very obviously do not understand.OOPs,sorry it is a racing forum please excuse my diatribe.
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Posted By: Bet n Housen on February 14 2012 at 03:14:15 PM
I must agree with both of the previous comments,perhaps if the powers that are there now would quit and sell the series to Bruton or to both the Petty's it could be resurrected to what it once was,but things being what they are today the teams or racers themselves face a huge challenge just finding sponsor support to run all those shows in the most competitive touring series in the country. I don't find fault with the WRG but they too are victims of this government,and the rules and regulations we all must live by today and the WRG in my opinion is certainly a small business,and watch the nay sayers jump on that,but the little guys in business today keep getting beat over the head by the government,and it hurts them,it hurts the individuals and the company sponsors,much less try to sell a show for XXX dollars by guaranteeing 8-10 cars with the show to be supported by the locals......racing is a very tough business and a few rainouts could be the biggest smack of all lets just keep hoping it turns around soon.
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Do you really feel that Bruton and the Petty's know how to run a sprint car racing series? Bruton maybe, but Petty's couldn't run their own NASCAR team that went belly up.
Current WoO is doing just fine. All bills are getting paid, drivers are getting paid, and the schedule is bigger than it has been in years. Sure there are 8 teams committed to the full schedule but six others are running a large portion of the schedule.
All of you naysayers have been spelling doom and gloom for many years but the WoO continues to come back stronger than ever. The WoO will be just fine. Every WoO race that I went to last year had standing room only so as long as the fans come, there will be a WoO race at a track near you. They will be fine.
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February 14, 2012 at
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8-12 cars on the tour is plenty otherwise the locals won't even think about showing up
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February 14, 2012 at
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A few thing they could do. They could tour with the woo late models. The other thing is and I have been saying this for years they need to grow their fan base they should have there core tracks they have always run but every year they should go to at least 10 places different yearly. Besides Knoxville, Eldora so on and so on. I live in Texas and the closest race I have is Vegas 12 hours away thats a joke or 14 hours to California or Kansas. If you think the Woo is in trouble when we lose Steve & Sammy what if we lost Kasey & Tony. The other thing is there is no youth in the stands next time you are at a Woo race look at the average age demagraphic. I hate to say it but 10-15 years tops if something does not change.
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February 14, 2012 at
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Current WoO is doing just fine. All bills are getting paid, drivers
are getting paid, and the schedule is bigger than it has been in years.
Sure there are 8 teams committed to the full schedule but six others
are running a large portion of the schedule.
Opinion follows.. MY opinion....
Now I do realize that you have somewhat of a vested interest in their success, but, do you really believe that? The schedule is bigger now but how many Monday through Thursday bargain days were added? They should be doing excellent considering they cut 25K from the Syracuse purse, didn't pay more than 45K to Sides, kept money from Darrah (although it eventual destination is certainly suspect).. Ask anyone that's ever been blessed with Rookie of The Year and see if they got all that was coming to them. Last month it was gloom and doom on here because there wasn't 16 Full Time Outlaws making the tour... Now that reality is raising it's head, heck 8 is great? I remember when the Top 2 or 3 in points each year had earned around $400K on the tour. Look at the winnings now..
The WoO will be
just fine. Every WoO race that I went to last year had standing room
only so as long as the fans come, there will be a WoO race at a track
near you. They will be fine.
Wow, you must have cherry picked races yourself! :-) I went to quite a few that were not SRO.. Does that make me happy? Nope.. I WANT to see sprintcar racing survive.. I love it.. I do NOT want to watch a bunch of late models, modifieds or stock cars running around a track... You state the WOO will be fine.... frankly that's what concerns me unless it includes all of the teams, drivers and owners that make sure that a product is marketable... I care not at all if any of the WOO officers, directors or middle to top managment makes it at all because if they do, it'll be at the cost of someone else.....
Their product is dwindling and bleeding. It reminds me a lot of this government (and maybe that's where they got their model).. You cannot continue to charge more (sanctions) and reinvest less (purses, point fund, etc) and expect to survive... Hell, I make about 150K a years less than I did 8-10 years ago.. maybe I am the idiot.....
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February 14, 2012 at
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Posted By: budz76 on February 14 2012 at 02:36:18 PM
The WOO tour lost Jason Meyers, Jason Sides and Paul McMahon this year. All three were top 5 drivers in points and all are very popular drivers. So where does the future of WOO go from here?
Steve is near 60 and he still is the TOP draw for the WOO but for how much longer? Sammy is about mid-50's too. Jason Meyers and Donnie may have won the last 6-7 titles but let's be honest, Steve and Sammy are still the top draw. We liked the Jasons and Paul, we like Joey & Dollansky but after that it gets thin really quick.
I've been following the WOO for nearly 35 years and I am suspect of the future of WOO. Once Steve and Sammy have retired, who will draw fans to WOO events? Yes, I will still go to see dirt track racing with sprints, midgest and modifieds, but the WOO better do something quick if they wish to remain the top touring sprint car series.
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Simple. Get rid of the oodles of deballing rules so there is something special to watch.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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Haha, I love these posts. The most absurd thing about this is the whole "8 drivers" thing.
Sammy, Madsen, Sides will all probably race 80-90% of the races. Stevie Smith, once he gets going, will probably run a bunch of nights with them in prep for going full time in 2013. There is always one guy who follows it for the hell of it too, that we don't know, like Lutar in 2010 and Rose in 2011.
The Outlaws have more races this year than in recent memory, probably since the split. Meyers is a big loss, but they'll be fine.
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Posted By: dsc1600 on February 14 2012 at 07:11:38 PM
Haha, I love these posts. The most absurd thing about this is the whole "8 drivers" thing.
Sammy, Madsen, Sides will all probably race 80-90% of the races. Stevie Smith, once he gets going, will probably run a bunch of nights with them in prep for going full time in 2013. There is always one guy who follows it for the hell of it too, that we don't know, like Lutar in 2010 and Rose in 2011.
The Outlaws have more races this year than in recent memory, probably since the split. Meyers is a big loss, but they'll be fine.
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Oh wow.... you have a crystal ball that works? Damn this WRG nonsense, call me collect tomorrow so we can put a REAL stock portfolio together! :-)
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Posted By: rcmkm on February 14 2012 at 06:03:37 PM
A few thing they could do. They could tour with the woo late models. The other thing is and I have been saying this for years they need to grow their fan base they should have there core tracks they have always run but every year they should go to at least 10 places different yearly. Besides Knoxville, Eldora so on and so on. I live in Texas and the closest race I have is Vegas 12 hours away thats a joke or 14 hours to California or Kansas. If you think the Woo is in trouble when we lose Steve & Sammy what if we lost Kasey & Tony. The other thing is there is no youth in the stands next time you are at a Woo race look at the average age demagraphic. I hate to say it but 10-15 years tops if something does not change.
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Merced California is a shi%$ole. High crime, high unemployment (18%) yet the outlaws came here last year for the first time and filled those stands. I was with a central California team. Some fans came to the pits after the show, they told me they heard the outlaws were coming, they couldn't afford it, but thats why they came. Blew me away that they filled the stands. On a Sunday 360 non-wing show (carbureted) that track gets 8 cars and it looks like 20 people in the stands.
The other thing is, when I tell people I pit on a 410 sprint car, they say "what is that? and like this post says, Kids today are busy on there phones texting and crap. No one virtually knows what a 410 sprint car is. when I tell them there all aluminum block, Methanol injected, 900 hp, they are blown away. I have pictures in my shop office and get questions all the time. I watch the speed report every sunday. you will see the same nascar story 3 times. As for Sprint cars, you get 10 seconds near the end of the show. They should call it nascar channel. the public needs education. I like nascar, but I feel sprint car races are way more exciting.
how do you reply without getting someone else's post on here? thanks.
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I agree stick a fork in them, the WoO is done!
Just like the NBA will be done as soon as Larry Bird and Magic Johnson retire....I mean Michael Jordan...Never mind them...I mean just like the NFL will be over when Bradshaw and Staubach retire...or was it Joe Montana..oh wait Emmitt Smith, Aikman and their crackhead receiver....ok, never mind them, just like Nascar is done as soon as Petty and Pearson retire, or was it Yarbrough and Allison....wait, I think they were done after Waltrip retired and Dale Sr. died....
On second thought, Sprint Car racing is badass, and when one star is gone, another will be created.
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This isn't to say the Outlaws are going to fold any time soon, but the amount of talent that the Outlaws bring with them nightly seems to have dropped severely over the past five years. Look at the guys that used to be on the tour just in recent years and no longer are -- Jason Meyers, Paul McMahan, Danny Lasoski, Jac Haudenschild, Terry McCarl and Daryn Pittman just to name six proven Outlaw winners. That is not even getting into the Sides situation and how many races he will or will not run with the Outlaws.
IMO, this is about as weak an Outlaw contingent as I can remember in a long time. Once you get past the top three or four drivers on the Outlaws tour right now, there sure isn't a lot of quality there anymore. The owners willing to blindly dump a million dollars down a hole without NASCAR backing just aren't out there anymore.
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Posted By: MHardee on February 14 2012 at 06:26:59 PM
Current WoO is doing just fine. All bills are getting paid, drivers
are getting paid, and the schedule is bigger than it has been in years.
Sure there are 8 teams committed to the full schedule but six others
are running a large portion of the schedule.
Opinion follows.. MY opinion....
Now I do realize that you have somewhat of a vested interest in their success, but, do you really believe that? The schedule is bigger now but how many Monday through Thursday bargain days were added? They should be doing excellent considering they cut 25K from the Syracuse purse, didn't pay more than 45K to Sides, kept money from Darrah (although it eventual destination is certainly suspect).. Ask anyone that's ever been blessed with Rookie of The Year and see if they got all that was coming to them. Last month it was gloom and doom on here because there wasn't 16 Full Time Outlaws making the tour... Now that reality is raising it's head, heck 8 is great? I remember when the Top 2 or 3 in points each year had earned around $400K on the tour. Look at the winnings now..
The WoO will be
just fine. Every WoO race that I went to last year had standing room
only so as long as the fans come, there will be a WoO race at a track
near you. They will be fine.
Wow, you must have cherry picked races yourself! :-) I went to quite a few that were not SRO.. Does that make me happy? Nope.. I WANT to see sprintcar racing survive.. I love it.. I do NOT want to watch a bunch of late models, modifieds or stock cars running around a track... You state the WOO will be fine.... frankly that's what concerns me unless it includes all of the teams, drivers and owners that make sure that a product is marketable... I care not at all if any of the WOO officers, directors or middle to top managment makes it at all because if they do, it'll be at the cost of someone else.....
Their product is dwindling and bleeding. It reminds me a lot of this government (and maybe that's where they got their model).. You cannot continue to charge more (sanctions) and reinvest less (purses, point fund, etc) and expect to survive... Hell, I make about 150K a years less than I did 8-10 years ago.. maybe I am the idiot.....
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I went to 3 shows last year. All were SRO and I had to travel at least 200 miles to get there.
150k less? I wish I made a 150k then or now.No chance of that happening with this congress. We need to clean house. They are doing all they can to prevent any recovery. The bleeding started 8-10 years ago.When the bankers were allowed to kill the economy with greedy foolish investments (housing) and then we were forced to bail them out. Who is gonna bail us out?
Sorry about the rant!
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Don't look now but Kerry Madsen just announced that he is running the full WoO tour in 2012. That makes nine confirmed teams. Yep, they are done.
Everyone said Ted Johnson was going to kill the WoO......didn't happen. Now everyone says WRG is killing the WoO....85 race schedule, $10,000 to win, tow money, and race event sponsors (yes, I know they still have no title sponsor). I don't see doom and gloom here.
And no, I don't have any vested interest in the WoO....just think 410 racing is better off than all of you naysayers. Support, don't criticize.
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