Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
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Drag everyone you can to the track with you. They will fall in love. Thats what will keep sprint car racing alive.

Bring back Santa Fe, and LaSalle .

You are correct, there may be more races on the schedule than in years past. However, how about the 6 mid-week shows in which they scheduled that WRG cut the purse on. They are only paying $6k to win and you know what that does to the rest of the payoff. I am sure these 6 shows didn't get the sanctioning fee reduced. Once again, those who put on the show and bear the burden of the expenses are the ones who get the short end of the stick.

In response to your last line, go to the end of the thread and use the box there to type in your message, then use the post button at the bottom. Only took me a year to figure that out!

Going to 10 new tracks per year isn't up to the Outlaws. I'm sure every little track all across the USA that runs some kind of Modified or Limited Late Model as their premier class would love to have them. There are hundreds of tracks like that most of us have never heard of but they can't afford the sanction fee and the cost of a show. I think there are very few out there that could do it but aren't.

Stan Meissner

I wish I still made it as well... but, I am happy now! :-)

I hear you on the greed.. It can be tied to all of our current issues. The real problem as I see it is there are only two ways to fix the problems and neither are pretty... revolution or depression.. which one would you choose?

/politics off

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Still love husets 

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Still love husets 

WoO dropping the purse for mid-week races = doing what they have to in order to survive.....just like everyone else is. The teams wanted more races and this is the WoO's way of getting them more races. I don't hear complaints from those directly effected by that decision, only from those that type on their computer.

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GO SAMMY!

This is at least round two for this year's version of "the end is near" for the WoO. You guys so full of hate are comical. I've been reading this jealousy stuff on here for years and years, maybe 10 years of, "yup, it's over soon". What, they going to turn into the All Star series, the series with one full-time traveling member? How do they make it? Or those 360 fans? 98% of the people in this country don't know what an ASCS is? Maybe 50% don't know what the WoO is!

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

Is everyone on this board new to the WoO in the last 5-6 years???

FOR YEARS AND YEARS, the midweek shows (and the first night of 2 day shows) paid $5000 to win and $300 to start. It wasn't until the last 5-6 years when every night became a $10,000 to win race (and consequently, the # of nights in the season began to dwindle immediately).

Seems to me like the Outlaws are going back to the model that WORKED for a lot of years. Have races every weekend, but fill in the schedule with mid-week shows that don't add a lot of miles between the weekends, but give the drivers and teams another night of racing.

From a sponsorship and "appearance" $$, this is where the teams benefit greatly. If I am working with a sponsor (say Bass Pro Shops just for an example), I tell them I need $XXX per race (not for the season, per race night). Now that the schedule is 90 dates instead of 65 (example only, I don't count up how many nights they've ran over the last 5 years), and Bass Pro feels like they've gotten their $$'s worth on a per-race basis, if that figure was $2000 per race, my season sponsorship went from $195,0000 to $270,000, and my tow $$ (I'll say $500 per show) went from $32,500 to $45,000. So, I have 25 more races (but I don't have to put a lot of more miles on the hauler and was already paying for lodging if we didn't drive back to the shop every week) and my REVENUE has increased by $87,500. Barring MAJOR wrecks and say I finish last in all of hte additional 25 races (I'll say last pays $500 at all of these races), I have REVENUE of another $12,500.

So, those additional races added $100,000 in REVENUE (MINIMUM) to my Race Team.

From a business model perspective, I have a MUCH greater chance of actually turning a profit with these additional races as my FIXED costs for the season are exactly the same whether or not I run 50 races or 100 races. My variable costs increase incrementally, so the more racing I do, the better chance I have of not losing $$$ over the long haul.

Without getting into an economics debate, exactly how could you concieve that your fixed costs remain the same " whether or not I run 50 races or 100 races "? Unlikely unless the only item in your fixed cost column is salaries... That could remain constant unless the season runs longer with the added races.... Also, let's see who shows up at these "budget" races...

Been watch for long enough to remember when it paid $12K to win and the drop to 2nd was not 50% or more... They going back to THAT model? Nope....

Kendra Jacobs hit the nail on the head yesterday... Can I book at show where I can guarantee 8 cars of a 24 car field? I dunno.....

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

The WoO will have a rough time going to places like Belleville and Lakeside and charging $35.00 to get in and watching 12 of 15 cars. They will be offering area 360 teams to show, but then force them to buy Goodyear tires. I hope they will survive but short car counts will hurt big time.

My opinion is that last year the competition in the WoO was excellent, according the WoO site, in 65 races last year there were 19 different A main winners. I really enjoyed listening to the races last year because you never knew on a night to night basis who was gonna win. I went to 3 shows last year and the late summer Grand Forks show was the best back and forth race between Schatz and Kinser I have ever seen. I'm not in the age bracket where I was a big fan in the years of total Kinser domination, but I am the type of fan that I pull for someone who isn't expected to win, so those years where Kinser always won to me would have been boring cause I don't want to go to the track and know the outcome before I get there. I have heard the drivers say it many times recently, that the equipment available now days has brought everyone into a closer playing field. Thats why we're seeing 19 different A main winners.

As far and the WoO organization, I don't think their going to just fold. I think the showings in the Midwest are strong and the WoO are going to schedule with tracks according to that, if shows in a certain area draw well, they will look to add another night the next year. I do think that if World Racing Group wants to grow their product they have to look at television and internet broadcasts as necessary. Video production cost is expensive but good electronics are more reasonable than they've ever been and if they can't get a TV contract then they need to hire a production co. themselves to tape shows and produce them and I'm not talking about a webcam, I mean production with several cameras, interviews, showing things in the pits. Once they have the video then they can post clips and compilations in Vimeo. I would love to see highlights from the previous race not just a winning driver interview. Even on Speed TV, in order for them to talk about a race or highlight they want video to coincide, not just someones cell phone video that they had to go to youtube and get the ok from a kid in Bear Lake MN, the only time their gonna do that is if Kasey is flying out of the park(and I don't mean in his helicopter). Nascar is as successful as it is because of TV. TV = Exposure, Exposure = Sponsorships, which = $$$. I also always complain at the race that they need to get the traveling score board in the infield back. back to the video thing, they could get a video board and show some video clips or even replays of wrecks and such. Probably all just wishful thinking but ASCS sure had a nice highlight reel done by Loudpedal

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My fixed costs = salaries, shop (that shop cost me the same amount of $$ if I race ZERO times per year or 365 times a year), hauler (the monthly payment is the same whether I am racing or not racing), insurance (both the property insurance on the shop, auto insurance on the rig, and health/life insurance on the driver or team-members), hotels (if the team isn't headed back to the shop after every event, I was spending $$ on hotel rooms for the week anyway).

Hate to break it to everyone, but anyone running FULL-TIME onteh Outlaw tour is running as a BUSINESS. Fixed costs are non-negotiable costs that they must pay no matter what. The variable costs (fuel, tires, motor re-builds/re-fresh, replacement parts/pieces) will go up incrementally as unless I crash, I know I have to replace those every X amount of races/nights. The benefits of running more nights and taking in more REVENUE far outweigh sitting on the couch and watching TV waiting for the next weekend.

It's no different than a manufacturing plant. The machines that build the goods cost $XX to just sit there and collect dust in the factory. Even if I don't run at PEAK performance, the machine turning out even 20% of it's capacity is better for me businesswise than it not operating (I still have to pay for it and depreciate it's value on my taxes every year). There's always a tipping point of when I lose $$, but that's got more to do with paying someone to run it than the machine itself.

Still love husets 

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com