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HardTopDave
December 27, 2021 at 07:47:56 AM
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Posted By: JonR on December 26 2021 at 10:13:45 PM

Once again,  GM has stated that they will have an all electric fleet by 2035.   The other major car compaines have also made agressive electric targets.   When the major OEM's are electric, they will want to have an electric racing division to showcase their products.

Why do OEM's get involved with racing?   To prove out new technology, To showcase new technology, and lastly what wins on Sunday sells on Monday.   All of these things will dictate that the OEM's will be involved in an electric racing series.   What better way to prove battery technology and range anxiety than to have a car that will race for 500 miles?   (There are already cars with 300 miles per charge)  

I will bet you an adult beverage that it does happen. 



You're on



egras
December 27, 2021 at 09:07:47 AM
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Posted By: HardTopDave on December 22 2021 at 12:33:11 PM

Never gonna happen....



If you're elderly, it's never going to happen.  Otherwise, most of us are going to see electric race cars at some point in our lives.  Sorry to break it to you.  I'm not a fan but I am a realist.  20 years from now there will be multiple electric series of race cars and it will transition over decades as they will in our daily lives.  One day we will sit back and laugh at how electric cars only got 300 miles on a charge as people will be making 1000+ mile trips on one charge.  We will laugh at how large and heavy the old batteries were.   Remember---the first computer was the size of a small house.  Technology is on a head-spinning pace.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking forward to the change-----I like my V8.  However, no denying the change is coming.  Most of us who are still alive 25 years from now will have an electic car.   



Nick14
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Posted By: egras on December 27 2021 at 09:07:47 AM

If you're elderly, it's never going to happen.  Otherwise, most of us are going to see electric race cars at some point in our lives.  Sorry to break it to you.  I'm not a fan but I am a realist.  20 years from now there will be multiple electric series of race cars and it will transition over decades as they will in our daily lives.  One day we will sit back and laugh at how electric cars only got 300 miles on a charge as people will be making 1000+ mile trips on one charge.  We will laugh at how large and heavy the old batteries were.   Remember---the first computer was the size of a small house.  Technology is on a head-spinning pace.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking forward to the change-----I like my V8.  However, no denying the change is coming.  Most of us who are still alive 25 years from now will have an electic car.   



I also think it is not a matter of if but most likely when it will happen. You just look at previous history with the automobile and racing in general and how it has evolved and developed in the past 100yrs. Sure if you put an electric car out their now it may not set the world on fire in terms of optics maybe, but give engineers & technicans a few decades of development. Look at the cars & engine of the winner of the indy 500 every 25yrs since its existance. The first autombile that was made was not the most efficent or fastest machine but more and more work went into it. 

Along the same lines, when I was a kid I had a gas powered RC car/truck that I thought was the most powerful thing ever as far as RC's go. Last year I got my son a decent style RC truck but the market is mainly battery/electric power now. I asked the tech why don't they have many gas powered ones anymore and he said the Battery powered are just a lot more efficent and faster now. The technology with the battieries have come so far in a short period of time and continues to develop. 



longtimefan
December 27, 2021 at 09:36:28 AM
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Posted By: Nick14 on December 27 2021 at 09:27:26 AM

I also think it is not a matter of if but most likely when it will happen. You just look at previous history with the automobile and racing in general and how it has evolved and developed in the past 100yrs. Sure if you put an electric car out their now it may not set the world on fire in terms of optics maybe, but give engineers & technicans a few decades of development. Look at the cars & engine of the winner of the indy 500 every 25yrs since its existance. The first autombile that was made was not the most efficent or fastest machine but more and more work went into it. 

Along the same lines, when I was a kid I had a gas powered RC car/truck that I thought was the most powerful thing ever as far as RC's go. Last year I got my son a decent style RC truck but the market is mainly battery/electric power now. I asked the tech why don't they have many gas powered ones anymore and he said the Battery powered are just a lot more efficent and faster now. The technology with the battieries have come so far in a short period of time and continues to develop. 



The day may come that people laugh at the thought that electric cars were going to be the future as something else may turn out to be cheaper and more  efficient. No matter what it is when its time comes people won't have to be pursuaded to use it as the people pushing their agenda now feel it needs to be done.



revjimk
December 27, 2021 at 10:04:58 AM
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Posted By: egras on December 27 2021 at 09:07:47 AM

If you're elderly, it's never going to happen.  Otherwise, most of us are going to see electric race cars at some point in our lives.  Sorry to break it to you.  I'm not a fan but I am a realist.  20 years from now there will be multiple electric series of race cars and it will transition over decades as they will in our daily lives.  One day we will sit back and laugh at how electric cars only got 300 miles on a charge as people will be making 1000+ mile trips on one charge.  We will laugh at how large and heavy the old batteries were.   Remember---the first computer was the size of a small house.  Technology is on a head-spinning pace.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking forward to the change-----I like my V8.  However, no denying the change is coming.  Most of us who are still alive 25 years from now will have an electic car.   



That make perfect sense, but my question  is, if everyone has to charge their E-cars, where does the power come from? The "Grid" is already under stress in some places.... how do they generate the power without causing even more pollution?



Dryslick Willie
December 27, 2021 at 12:17:50 PM
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Posted By: revjimk on December 27 2021 at 10:04:58 AM

That make perfect sense, but my question  is, if everyone has to charge their E-cars, where does the power come from? The "Grid" is already under stress in some places.... how do they generate the power without causing even more pollution?



They don't!



Nick14
December 27, 2021 at 02:03:54 PM
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Posted By: revjimk on December 27 2021 at 10:04:58 AM

That make perfect sense, but my question  is, if everyone has to charge their E-cars, where does the power come from? The "Grid" is already under stress in some places.... how do they generate the power without causing even more pollution?



That question is one of the underlying reasons why you do not see such mass production of E-cars. Multiple issues come out of that as there are not enough stations to power the cars and the recharging capabilities and battery life needed to completely replace the current market are not available. The challenges that they are working on and will probably always be working on is how to make recharging as efficent as possible while providing the most power/life as possible. They have made a lot of headway in this area from where they were when the first E-cars were made but still a lot needs to be done.



linbob
December 27, 2021 at 03:39:30 PM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on December 27 2021 at 12:17:50 PM

They don't!



you are correct,    If everyone around your neiborhood had electric cars the grid today could not keep up.   People do not want nuclear power, others do not want wind or solar power near them.  They need electricity but do not have a clue how it is made,   That will be our next crisis we can blame on some president because he did not make enough electricity.  How much farm land can we take out of production to put in solar panals.  What do you do with millions of old panels when they wear out?  I know, you ship them to New Mexico and put them in a cave.



HardTopDave
December 27, 2021 at 03:50:48 PM
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Posted By: linbob on December 27 2021 at 03:39:30 PM

you are correct,    If everyone around your neiborhood had electric cars the grid today could not keep up.   People do not want nuclear power, others do not want wind or solar power near them.  They need electricity but do not have a clue how it is made,   That will be our next crisis we can blame on some president because he did not make enough electricity.  How much farm land can we take out of production to put in solar panals.  What do you do with millions of old panels when they wear out?  I know, you ship them to New Mexico and put them in a cave.



Up here in n Tx you see lots of windmill blades being brought in, never a tower, the lifespan of the blades and the generator and gearbox are TOP SECRET



JonR
December 27, 2021 at 05:45:46 PM
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Posted By: HardTopDave on December 27 2021 at 03:50:48 PM

Up here in n Tx you see lots of windmill blades being brought in, never a tower, the lifespan of the blades and the generator and gearbox are TOP SECRET



What about the drive between Fort Worth and Abiline?   I seem to remember a ton of them there. 



Dryslick Willie
December 27, 2021 at 05:59:47 PM
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you are correct,    If everyone around your neiborhood had electric cars the grid today could not keep up.   People do not want nuclear power, others do not want wind or solar power near them.  They need electricity but do not have a clue how it is made,   That will be our next crisis we can blame on some president because he did not make enough electricity.  How much farm land can we take out of production to put in solar panals.  What do you do with millions of old panels when they wear out?  I know, you ship them to New Mexico and put them in a cave.



Speaking of my neighborhood, the local Tom Thumb store blocked off primo parking spaces close to the entrance and put in electric charging stations.   These spaces are probably even closer to the entrance than some of their handicap spaces.   They've been there for a few years and are reserved specifically for electric cars.   They are always empty unless someone parks a gasoline car in one of them.   Only one time have I seen an electric car parked in one and charging.   I don't know if electrics are more popular in other areas, but it sure appears to me that Texans aren't buying them.   I do see the occasional Tesla or another electric on the highway, but very few.   



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The incredible sound made by sprint cars (and midgets) at full throttle, which is most of the time, is a big part of the thrill.  There is no denying that.  


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Johnny Utah
December 27, 2021 at 06:13:41 PM
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I mean its just one anecdote, but there's plenty of electric cars here in suburban Philly. Not a day goes by that I don't see about 6-10 Teslas during my daily commute. 

 



Nick14
December 27, 2021 at 06:38:26 PM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on December 27 2021 at 05:59:47 PM

Speaking of my neighborhood, the local Tom Thumb store blocked off primo parking spaces close to the entrance and put in electric charging stations.   These spaces are probably even closer to the entrance than some of their handicap spaces.   They've been there for a few years and are reserved specifically for electric cars.   They are always empty unless someone parks a gasoline car in one of them.   Only one time have I seen an electric car parked in one and charging.   I don't know if electrics are more popular in other areas, but it sure appears to me that Texans aren't buying them.   I do see the occasional Tesla or another electric on the highway, but very few.   



They are gaining in popularity here in central Ohio. Quite a few companies have put recharging stations in their parking lots including the company I work for. Not all are filled each day especially during people in and out of the offices these days but a fair amount of people use them daily. The local mall here has a number of recharging stations and their are always cars in those spots. Seems like their are more and more on the roads each year. I think as the battery life keeps getting better per trip you will probably start seeing more people buy them. My father in law bought a Tesla last year and I think he said he can get over 300miles on a trip per charge and said some of the better classes can now get over 400miles depending on how you drive them. Not sure how he charges it but he said he has not seen a considerable increase in his electric bill so not sure if he charges it at his house or at a recharging station.



egras
December 27, 2021 at 08:58:10 PM
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Posted By: revjimk on December 27 2021 at 10:04:58 AM

That make perfect sense, but my question  is, if everyone has to charge their E-cars, where does the power come from? The "Grid" is already under stress in some places.... how do they generate the power without causing even more pollution?



I know the current administration is calling for this to happen almost overnight.  It won't.  However, it will evolve over the next couple of decades.  Problems will be addressed as needed.  The amount of additional power needed to charge E-cars will not be overwhelming despite some of the propaganda pushing back against it.  As I said, I'm not an E-car fan, nor am I looking forward to the change, but it is coming and we all might as well accept it.  

The first automobile was invented in the late 1880's.  I'm sure there was a lot of "yeah, but imagine driving 50 miles away---then what?  Where you going to get gas?"   We didn't put 1,000,000 gas stations up across the country by 1900.  But we did as time went on and the need was there.  We aren't going to have the powergrid to power 100,000,000 E-cars next year.  But we will by the time there are 100,000,000 cars.  I have a lot of friends in the solar and windpower business as our area is booming in those areas.  I think that will be the answer to your power issue.  (and before anyone tries, please don't quote some bogus "article" claiming solar and windpower cause more pollution than they solve)  

E-cars are not going anywhere.  E-cars will become more and more common from here on out.  E-cars will eventually phase out the internal combustion engine.  When?  50 years?  100 years?  I don't give a shit.  I'll be gone by then, but it's going to happen.  



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If you think the future of vehicles isn't electric, your head is in the sand. And it's coming sooner than later. Electric Vehicle sales boomed this year, doubling the previous highest share of new vehicle sales. As more options become available (by end of 2022 40 more EV models will be available), and more infrastructure is put into place along with advances in battery technology, EV's will continue to grow rapidly and internal combustion vehicles will be phased out. It's just a matter of how soon (and it'll be a lot sooner than most on this board think)



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Some fine-looking electric cars. Man, some of them with be worth sitting in just to listen to the sound system while going from 0-60.
https://wattev2buy.com/list-chinese-electric-cars-list-chinese-ev-car-brands/


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Dryslick Willie
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Posted By: JonR on December 27 2021 at 05:45:46 PM

What about the drive between Fort Worth and Abiline?   I seem to remember a ton of them there. 



There's a ton of them just south of Abilene on the road going to San Angelo.   There's also a bunch of them in the areas around Sweetwater, which is about 40 miles west of Abilene.   



HardTopDave
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Posted By: dirtraceorbust on December 27 2021 at 06:08:01 PM

The incredible sound made by sprint cars (and midgets) at full throttle, which is most of the time, is a big part of the thrill.  There is no denying that.  



The sport would shrink to nothing without it



beezr2002
December 28, 2021 at 08:34:01 AM
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Electric race cars are here and will continue to develop. I don't care for electric vehicles besides the RC variety. I have to wonder who pays the electric bills when you charge your electric vehicle at a public charging station? Is it like getting a free tank of gas?



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