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What about their reasoning with the yellow and the recent woo official fight up in WI and their stance on flagman signals? Is it ok for us to be fine with silence?  I'd rather be kept informed.  And many major sports organizations release details on fines and penalties. Part of their full disclosure philosophy. 

None of that is our business.  It is between the parties involved.  If they want to share what happened behind closed door that is fine but, they are under no obligation to share with us how they disciplined officals or Sheldon for that matter.

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For some reason, WRG/WoO behaves differently than other sanctioning bodies when it comes to fines and penalties.

WoO would rather be the LAST to announce fines and penalties against their own drivers.    An example is last year when Reutzel got caught cheating and ultimately lost his Roth ride.    WoO let him race that night, didn't mention it,  and waited 3 or 4 days to release a statement.    By then everybody else was talking about it so they had no choice but to address it.   

WRG is a private company.    They can do whatever they want.  And they do.  If we expect them to be honest, consistent, fair, and straightforward we will likely be disappointed.         

Just because they don't share this stuff with us doesn't mean that they are not honest, consistent, fair, and straightforward.

None of this is our business.  It is between the parties involved.  In these cases the court of public opinion doesn't hold any weight.

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<<  They can do whatever they want.  >>

Yes they can.  And so can the fans, drivers, car owners, streaming services, and other competing racing organizations.  

I think we can all agree that the next few years are going to be quite interesting indeed.

If it is none of our business then why do you keep calling for suspensions, you have no skin in the game just a lot of hot air.

BTW what do you think about Larson being DQ'ed for cheating on monday night at IRP. I think he should be suspended from everything but nascar for a month. He is a cheater now.

The fans will still pack the stands for the WOO.  The owners/drivers aren't going anywhere.  They might threaten but, where else could they race weekly for the purse they have on the woo tour?  No where!  Not only that any time they pull in the pits the get a healty sum just for showing up. 

World racing group will be more than ok over the next several years.  Dirtvision will be just fine as well.  Dirtvision will continue to grow over the next several years.  Both will be just fine.  Depending on gas prices over the next few years dirtvision might grow quicker than you think.  Instead of a person going to there regular Friday/Saturday night track they might just stay at home to watch the outlaws or the All Stars.  It started to happen this year.

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I disagree, to a point. The court of public opinion is basically the ticket buying fans. Consequently, the ticket buying public is one of the parties involved. There is a good arguemnt to be made that the WoO needs to not be perceived in the same realm as professional wrastlin'.

The WoO is quite aware of their repuation, etc. It's all about perceptions and branding at that level in order to keep the product value up. At this point, WoO is no longer a racing organization as much as it is a corporation for the benefit of it's stockholders. This is what "taking sprint car racing to the next level" looks like. 

If you think the outlaws are not going to have large crowds over the next couple of years.  I have some land in Texas I want to sell you!   They are very healthy right now.  Look at the amount the promoters are paying for some of there races already announced for next year.  Enough said!  They aren't afraid of not getting a crowd.

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(( going to have large crowds over the next couple of years. ))

Probably so.  However growing healthy organizations look well beyond just a few years out.  Long term survival depends on thinking this way . 

My thoughts on the two recent incidents.  My first trip out to Cedar Lake was around 1962.  If I had a buck for every time I've seen tempers flare out there I'd be a millionaire.  Typical short track temper flare up in hot weather when money and points are on the line.  I consider it a non-issue and don't feel a need to know anymore about the incident or those involved and any action taken by the sanction.  I seem to recall some damn good racing that night.

I was watching the All Stars the night of the notorious spin.  We have a lot of tracks up my way with open infilelds.  It's not unusual to see a stock car or modified spin out and be deemed clear of the action and no yellow is thrown.  It's also not unusual to see a driver who thought the yellow should have been thrown express their displeasure with the call.  From what I could see on the replay it was similar to what I have seen hundreds of times.  Driver spins in the infield, officials determine he is out of harms way and don't  throw a yellow.  Driver gets upset and expresses their anger in some of way often leading to some kind of confrontation.  
 

Things like this can and do happen.  The difference being this time that instead of a street stock racing for $100 it was a WoO driver racing for $10k and trying to avoid a dnf to retain their spot in the points standings.  My only involvement is whether I want to attend or watch from home on a streaming channel.  I still consider the Outlaws to be great entertainment and will devote some of my time to watching them or attending their races.  I don't expect anything more from the Outlaws than to be entertained for a few hours and don't care to know what goes on behind the scenes.  

Question for all those who are upset.  Are you going to skip the Knoxville Nationals in protest?  I didn't think so.   

Stan Meissner

You can put several years there.  They are getting stronger with each year that passes.  They were struggling under Ted for many of years.  They have come a long way over the last 5 to 7 years and they are still growing!  When it reaches it top I don't know.  I think it is particially because some of the drivers that are racing both Nascar and sprintcars part-time.  Dirt tracks are going through the roof as far as the excitement around these events.

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Sales are good for Coca Cola right now too. They are very healthy right now. That doesn't mean that Coke isn't constantly trying to improve their profits and their image. 

What part of Texas, and how much?

Yep, they can do what they want.

I can do what I want as well, with my money and time.

I will not pay for monthly Dirtvision, or will I travel to races until things are explained,

There are plenty of other options now, plus with the new series coming this and next year.

I agree with you as far as you can do what you want.  But they aren't going to explain anything to us since it is none of our business.

At least when the outlaws are at a track you know there will be a lot of quality starters in the field.  No other series even comes close when it come to the outlaws.  Just saying.  All Stars and whatever other series there is  - are good and the Outlaws are great.  Not because of the name because of the product/drivers they put on the track!

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Anyone with even a little common sense could see the track was junk all night long.....reminded me of ---- -----! Only maybe a little worse.   When you have to start peddling it in time trials you know you are in for a long night.  Then if you listen to the interviews after the race.  You don't have to guess if the track was junk or not.  New York tracks are always horrible!

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The outlaws are the best of the best!  They have improved over the last several years and will continue to improve!  If you are not moving forward you will fall behind! 

Just look at the amounts some of these races are paying today towards 5 to 7 years ago!  There have been big increases in these races.  The promoters are making out like bandits for these shows so they are now giving back to the drivers, the way it should be.  Just look at all the big races popping up all over the place for next year already.  The outlaws will be around for a long time to come.  

I know that the midweek shows with Larson and Sweet are going to be awesome!  I look for a lot of the outlaws to run these events!  It is a great time to be a sprint car fan!  

The dry western part of Texas.  Make me an offer!

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Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Are you stuck in a world where there is no social media and transparency in sports?  Like good ol boys clubs still rule your world along with back door shady deals and closed door politics?  WTF man? I'm not hating on you, but you sure seem to think it is 1982 and not 2002.  ANd I say that from a place as a guy who is near 50 and totally thinks things were better (for most part) back in the 70s 80s 90s.  

well said