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Those stats are mostly because of Freddy winning all the handicapped shows against a bunch of nobody's. 

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the right answer here is every pa track is excellent.  i've ripped williams grove a number of times...but i felt like they had a better year last year.  my complaints are usually related to safety and wanting to see the racing better from the infield.  a few simple things like moving the trailers out of the infield accomplishes both goals.  going to a place like eldora 2 years ago made me realize what williams grove could be as the host of one of sprint car racing's biggest events.  

since all the tracks are great...it comes down to who's racing there.  montieth's departure really lincoln.  say what you want about logan wagner...port royal has at least one guy everybody is gunning for week to week.  i'm not sure anybody fits that mold at lincoln.  maybe rahmer...but i feel like that's underachieving for him compared to what guys like marks, macri, and dietrich are doing.  

i still have trouble believing a track like lincoln gets $100 for a race.  if that's all they get...i blame the track for not negotiating a better number.  the colonial athletic association just signed what was called an "8 figure deal" with flo to show all of the conference's games.  

100% true. Lincoln is a fine track yes but any stats about where the winner starts have to be taken with a grain of salt as Lincoln has a far weaker weekly field most weeks. Also Dietrich has won a fair amount of shows like that as well. 

Lets look at the numbers and see who ran where.  Here are the top 10 in central PA points for 2022.  None of the top 3 showed loyality to either track until you get to Freddie Rahmer in 4.  Looks pretty even to me as far as quality cars.

1.    39m/11Anthony Macri        1998    22 –   Port 15 – Lincoln 12 Point Shows
2.    48    Danny Dietrich            1793    12 -   Port 13 – Lincoln 18 Point Shows
3.    19    Brent Marks                1432    11 –   Port 11 – Lincoln 9 Point Shows
4.    8/51    Freddie Rahmer      1277      6 –   Port 6 – Lincoln 27 Point Shows
5.    69K    Lance Dewease        1080    10 –   Port 10 – Lincoln 4 Point Shows
6.    13    Justin Peck                    940    4 –   Port 10 – Lincoln 11 Point Shows
7.    5w    Lucas Wolfe                 790       -    Port 21 – Lincoln 5 Point Shows
8.    23    Devon Borden               713    2  -  Port 11 – Lincoln 19 Point Shows
9.    1    Logan Wagner                636    5  -   Port – One track racer
10.    39    Chase Dietz                 634    3 –   Port 5 - Lincoln 24 Point shows

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Absolutely.   Quality of field is one of the factors that the industry standard Sprint Car Ratings uses and of the top 75 winged 410 races in the ENTIRE COUNTRY last year, 10 of them were at Port (including the Highest rated All Star show, the Highest rated PA Speedweek show and the 2nd Highest rated non-touring/unsanctioned show in the country) and 2 of the 75 were at Lincoln.   That's all the proof anyone with a brain needs.  

One Central PA track (and 3 in the entire U.S, add Husets in 2023) paid out over $1,000,000 to winged 410s last year and it was Port Royal.  No All Star shows will mean even less money being paid out at Lincoln this year.  

2 of the top 11 paying shows in the country in 2023 are going to be at Port Royal.   1 show in the top 40 tied for 30th highest at Lincoln.  

Port has the 4 biggest series' in the nation at their track again this year.  WoO Sprints (4 times), WoO Lates, All Stars and USAC National Series.  lincoln has WoO Sprints (2 times).  With that quality of racing, season tickets should be about $75 at Lincoln this year. 

It's not close, hasn't been for a long time. Some are in denial, but you can't argue with facts. 

Firstly, Justin Peck being on this list is absurd. Secondly Macri ran one regular show at Lincoln after March 26. Marks didn't run any. Most of their Lincoln starts were at All Star/WoO/PA Speedweek shows. Many weeks, the best car in the Lincoln field is Rahmer or Dietrich. 

Blah blah blah stats don't lie.

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Blah blah blah!!  Lincoln is the raciest race track in central PA.  Sorry to disappoint you all!  Look at the stats.  

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When the Front Row Starters are: Givler (x2); Niki Young; Emig (x2); Arnold; Hivner; Hershey; Walp (x2); Bishop; Forsythe; Millard (4 times); it does not mean it's a racy track, it's an argument for handicapping. 

Ooooh! That looks like stats.

Stats nor facts are valid arguments.     

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Than what does?

just being silly,

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You're right though sometimes they don't matter lol.

Why Lincoln has decided to cut back as drastically as it has concerns me.  They had nice fields throughout the year in both 410's and 360's.  Justin Peck did a lot of racing in central pa last year, why absurd ? Again, it seems rather obvious that Lincoln does not want to pay the sanctioning fee's. If the fans do not support the special shows then how can they be blamed for doing what there doing. I hope they pack the place Thursday. 

The interview on here with the guy from Perris said he gets $1000 for streaming of USAC shows. I think those are Flo? .And I agree that is peanuts.

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Ok, let's do the "peanuts" math....

If it is $1000 per show given to the tracks for each USAC show Flo streams, then using the three 2023 USAC national touring series schedules, Flo will pay out nearly $100,000 to the hosting tracks. Not to mention the $ Flo pays to USAC for the rights to stream their races, which I'm sure is not trivial. 

Your definition of "peanuts" and mine are different.

In addition, USAC dropped the Perris Oval Track Nationals from their 2023 schedule, so there may be some sour grapes there from "the guy from Perris".

One person says Port only gets a $100 per show from Flo, another says a $1000 per show. Still not buying it. Sorry.

Port is so much better.  LOL.  Names such as Sheaffer, Bear, Swiegart, Reeser, Walton, Linder, Taylor, Walter.  Looks to be about the same to me.

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I'm not picking at you but some of the others.  And I know this is going to sound really stupid.  But when I go to the races I just go to enjoy them.  Again I know this sounds stupid but I don't give a shit what times they turn in hot laps.  I don't care where the winner starts, I don't care what the format is, I don't care how many cars the winner passes.  And even dumber of me I don't go home and dig through the stats of the races, I just go with the eye test.  If I enjoy a race, I'm not going to let some stat tell me I shouldn't. 

Back in the 2000s Terry McCarl would start either 10th or 12th or maybe even further back every week at Husets and win it seemed like.  Was that great racing?  Personally I got kind of bored with it.  This is not a knock on McCarl or any other drivers in the field but it seemed like he had so much more car than everyone else, it was like watching a college basketball team against an elementary school basketball team.  But according to a few on here those are great races by their statistics.  I was bored with it. 

However last year at Husets I remember a race where someone started on the front row along with Dobmeier.  The other guy was a lot faster and had a huge lead but then they would get into traffic and Dobmeier would slowly reel him in and it seemed like anytime he got close there would be a yellow.  Eventually the guy leading got into a wreck which sucked.  According to some people on here that was a bad race, the leader came from the front row.  But I enjoyed it, I would've liked to see the guy leading not wreck because it was fun watching Dobmeier get through lapped traffic so much better than him.  

If I was someone who was involved with sprint car racing, I might care about those stats but I'm not, I go to be entertained and most nights that I go, I am.

These are the reasons I go to every race track I can except one in central PA.  I am very bored when I go to that Juniata county oval.  So I stay away and I am very verbal about it.  Because I know how great it could be....but isn't because of razor Steve!

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Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!