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Agree with all of this and will add that having the pressure of having MJ as a boss can't be easy either. Anyone who watched the Last Dance knows what an intense competitor Jordan is so I'm sure Bubba is feeling that pressure. I'm sure MJ has some unrealistic expectations as well. 

one race suspension was appropriate.  i don't agree with the people who think any suspension went too far.  it's true gragson did something similar at road america without a suspension...or ty gibbs trying to wreck a guy on pit road with crews servicing cars.  there should have been a suspension though and and hopefully a better precendent for punishment has been set.  the rest of the season is getting carried away.  if he does anything like again...i would completely agree with that.

the key here is looking at things objectively.  i've defended bubba wallace especially since 2020 but also have a closet full of kyle larson shirts.  larson put him in a lift or wreck position he shouldn't have especially in stage 1.  he's made some strange mistakes this year and he'll get better from them...similar to what he said a few years ago off the track.  

bubba's reaction was completely inappropriate.  a lot of pepole stuck their necks out for him and he let us down.  sometimes you need to completely meltdown to realize some things you need to change.  he has to figure out how to enjoy what he's doing despite all the haters.  he never looks happy despite what i think has been a successful season for him.  if he can't get happy...he shouldn't have to feel like he has to carry the flag for racial justice in nascar and find something else to do.  he's already gotten farther than i ever thought somebody could.

Ok. A one race suspension is appropriate for what Bubba did , but how about a 4 race suspension to a crew cheif and crew guy for a runaway tire. Is that appropriate too? I don't think they match up???

It's not reality. It's NASCAR reality TV.

Bubba got off pretty easy.The majority seem to think his behavior warranted a steep fine and suspension for rest of season. But the damage he did to himself will last for a long time . 

Ok. A one race suspension is appropriate for what Bubba did , but how about a 4 race suspension to a crew cheif and crew guy for a runaway tire. Is that appropriate too? I don't think they match up???

At best Bubba is a below average Nascar driver.  

He should have been suspended for the rest of the year.  All these drivers do is say these cars aren't safe.  Just ask Bubbas  boss Denny.  But I guess this one is ok since it is one of his drivers?  

I don't hate Bubba - he is very much overrated.

Agree with all of this and will add that having the pressure of having MJ as a boss can't be easy either. Anyone who watched the Last Dance knows what an intense competitor Jordan is so I'm sure Bubba is feeling that pressure. I'm sure MJ has some unrealistic expectations as well. 

my bigger beef with all this is comments like bubba is overrated, he gets too much tv exposure, he didn't earn his ride, etc.

he had a streak this year of being one of the fastest cars on the track.  he can drive a race car...at least as well as most of the other drivers out there.  harvick, truex, and other veterans are on their way out so we're going to be left with lots of dime a dozen drivers.  he fits into that category at worst.  he barely got any tv time until he started running up front...or had some type of issue which unfortunately was the case for most of the early part of the year.

your bias shows when you take it any further than he did dangerous and idiotic things on sunday.  unfortunately he has given people like you all the ammo they need...forever...to back up all the other nonsense they say about bubba.  

As the racing world turns. Stan, I love it. A Gomer pile type true southerner could be the lead. I token  female driver and 2 minority drivers. It could air on discovery. I'm sending them an email ASAP. great idea Stan. 

my bigger beef with all this is comments like bubba is overrated, he gets too much tv exposure, he didn't earn his ride, etc.

he had a streak this year of being one of the fastest cars on the track.  he can drive a race car...at least as well as most of the other drivers out there.  harvick, truex, and other veterans are on their way out so we're going to be left with lots of dime a dozen drivers.  he fits into that category at worst.  he barely got any tv time until he started running up front...or had some type of issue which unfortunately was the case for most of the early part of the year.

your bias shows when you take it any further than he did dangerous and idiotic things on sunday.  unfortunately he has given people like you all the ammo they need...forever...to back up all the other nonsense they say about bubba.  

larson ran him into the wall.  no doubt bubba should have been upset.  i'm not sure what triggered him to get that upset though.

like you said...he gets a bad rap because of his background and essentially has to be perfect.  he doesn't seem to be enjoying himself in any of the interviews i hear with him.  it would be hard to.  i saw a poll somewhere that's he one of if not the most hated driver in nascar.  we all know why and i'm usually one of the last people to play the race card.  yesterday was the first time recently and definitely with the 23xi that he's crossed any significant lines like intentionally wrecking someone.  i remember him getting wrecked at bristol and dropping off his bumper with at michael mcdowell's hauler...which would have made him a hero if he was anybody else.

it's going to be this week's bit of drama in nascar.  i don't want f1 where they're back to nothing happening...but it's hard to argue against nascar becoming pro wrestling at least in the sense that it's a male oriented daytime soap opera.  it always amazes me how the top guys in the woo can run completely clean and not run over each other.  

Sorry but Bubba is the one who went on CNN and basically shit talked the sport over a garage door pull that had been there for awhile. Shame on NASCAR for blowing it so far our of proportion with getting the FBI involved and causing a media circus. It's almost like NASCAR wanted to to blow up so that they could "react" and prove how "woke" they are. Bubba didn't do that but what he did do was jump on the wagon and ride it as far as he could for personal gain. He's been around garages since he was an embryo. He knew it was a garage door pull. He just took the opportunity to get himself some publicity. Most people aren't gonna like that. It shows that his character is shit. He could've and should've handled that with more class but instead he went on a media tour for self promotion. He willingly took on the role of a martyr. So he did that to himself. Racism is disgusting. It has no place anywhere but shit like this takes attention away from actual racism. Bubba brought all the hate onto himself by being a self absorbed asshole, not because of the color of his skin. 

Sorry but Bubba is the one who went on CNN and basically shit talked the sport over a garage door pull that had been there for awhile. Shame on NASCAR for blowing it so far our of proportion with getting the FBI involved and causing a media circus. It's almost like NASCAR wanted to to blow up so that they could "react" and prove how "woke" they are. Bubba didn't do that but what he did do was jump on the wagon and ride it as far as he could for personal gain. He's been around garages since he was an embryo. He knew it was a garage door pull. He just took the opportunity to get himself some publicity. Most people aren't gonna like that. It shows that his character is shit. He could've and should've handled that with more class but instead he went on a media tour for self promotion. He willingly took on the role of a martyr. So he did that to himself. Racism is disgusting. It has no place anywhere but shit like this takes attention away from actual racism. Bubba brought all the hate onto himself by being a self absorbed asshole, not because of the color of his skin. 

I typically agree with a lot of what you post on here, but in this case... not so much.

The whole garage door pull thing has a few layers to it. 1) For the 800th time, he didnt discover it. A member of his team did and it was pushed up the chain by them. 2) Yeah, it's a garage door pull, but it's also a noose or a slip knot or whatever you want to call it. All things can be true. People are arguing semantics. 3) It was there from the year before and it was the only one in the garage. If these things are so prevelant as some would have you believe, shouldn't they have been on more than one garage door? I mean, personally I just pull on the rope to operate the door and don't need a handle. Then again I have the grip strength that is slightly greater than a infant. 4) That was the weekend that the "Confederate Flag" parade was taking place outside of the track, so it's not too much of stretch to think that it was on people's minds and maybe made some a tad edgy.

Yes, Bubba did go on CNN and "shit talk" some people for their behavior, words, actions, etc. If anyone listened, he didn't call everyone associated with the sport racist, he there were racist elements to it. That can include portions of the fanbase, can't it? I like all racing and I watch NASCAR, but do you why I didnt care when he made those comments? It's because I didn't think they applied to me. It's pretty telling to see people that were made irate by his comments. Incidentally, these tend to be the same people who strut around acting, and in some cases telling you, how much of a badass they are, which is ironic, but I digress. 

"He rode it as far as he could for personal gain" what did he gain by this? Going on a couple of talk shows and discussing what happened? Do you think this incident was the main reason he has so many sponsors because that's not true. The "personal gain" he seems to have acquired is a whoooole lotta fans directing their ire at him. Doesn't seem to be a lot of "gain" there. 

Bubba makes it difficult on himself with incidents like the one at Vegas or at the Roval with Bowman a couple of years back. The problem for a lot of people is they deal only in absolutes. Bubba can be a decent driver who sometimes does dumb stuff on the track. That has happened in all forms of motorsport and will continue to happen as long as people race. Bubba can be someone who doesnt handle adversity well and acts childish. Again, many series across the country have drivers who react poorly when things don't go their way. Refer to BAPS last Thursday. All of these things can be true at the same time. 

Am I a fan of his? Its complicated. I think he faces and deals with a lot more shit on a daily basis than we realize. Is some of that self-inflicted? Sure, but I'd wager the majority isn't. He runs hard, wears his emotions on his sleeve, which I like. He also has done some really dumb shit that was indefensible like the stuff with Bowman and Larson and he was rightly held accountable. But I really do enjoy watching how his mere existence in NASCAR pisses a segment of the fanbase off.

Finally, I'm not even sure why I spent the time to write this, because lets face it, no one is going to read a post on this board and change their minds. Well, hey, I've done dumber shit with my time.

I typically agree with a lot of what you post on here, but in this case... not so much.

The whole garage door pull thing has a few layers to it. 1) For the 800th time, he didnt discover it. A member of his team did and it was pushed up the chain by them. 2) Yeah, it's a garage door pull, but it's also a noose or a slip knot or whatever you want to call it. All things can be true. People are arguing semantics. 3) It was there from the year before and it was the only one in the garage. If these things are so prevelant as some would have you believe, shouldn't they have been on more than one garage door? I mean, personally I just pull on the rope to operate the door and don't need a handle. Then again I have the grip strength that is slightly greater than a infant. 4) That was the weekend that the "Confederate Flag" parade was taking place outside of the track, so it's not too much of stretch to think that it was on people's minds and maybe made some a tad edgy.

Yes, Bubba did go on CNN and "shit talk" some people for their behavior, words, actions, etc. If anyone listened, he didn't call everyone associated with the sport racist, he there were racist elements to it. That can include portions of the fanbase, can't it? I like all racing and I watch NASCAR, but do you why I didnt care when he made those comments? It's because I didn't think they applied to me. It's pretty telling to see people that were made irate by his comments. Incidentally, these tend to be the same people who strut around acting, and in some cases telling you, how much of a badass they are, which is ironic, but I digress. 

"He rode it as far as he could for personal gain" what did he gain by this? Going on a couple of talk shows and discussing what happened? Do you think this incident was the main reason he has so many sponsors because that's not true. The "personal gain" he seems to have acquired is a whoooole lotta fans directing their ire at him. Doesn't seem to be a lot of "gain" there. 

Bubba makes it difficult on himself with incidents like the one at Vegas or at the Roval with Bowman a couple of years back. The problem for a lot of people is they deal only in absolutes. Bubba can be a decent driver who sometimes does dumb stuff on the track. That has happened in all forms of motorsport and will continue to happen as long as people race. Bubba can be someone who doesnt handle adversity well and acts childish. Again, many series across the country have drivers who react poorly when things don't go their way. Refer to BAPS last Thursday. All of these things can be true at the same time. 

Am I a fan of his? Its complicated. I think he faces and deals with a lot more shit on a daily basis than we realize. Is some of that self-inflicted? Sure, but I'd wager the majority isn't. He runs hard, wears his emotions on his sleeve, which I like. He also has done some really dumb shit that was indefensible like the stuff with Bowman and Larson and he was rightly held accountable. But I really do enjoy watching how his mere existence in NASCAR pisses a segment of the fanbase off.

Finally, I'm not even sure why I spent the time to write this, because lets face it, no one is going to read a post on this board and change their minds. Well, hey, I've done dumber shit with my time.

Well said. That parade that Bubba led down pit road [I forget where] made me almost throw up and it cost nascar a lot of fans. It is easy to see how desperate it is to claw them back. 

Maybe I wasn't clear but I stated specifically that I was aware that he wasn't the one making a big deal about the rope. It was everyone around him and he took the ball and ran with it. He went to the media and ran his mouth before the findings of the investigation were even complete. You just shouldn't do that. ESPECIALLY when we're talking about a racial controversy in NASCAR. The media pitches a tent the moment they think they have a story about racism in NASCAR. He flat out went on there talked shit. He did it somewhat passive aggressively but he did nothing to help the image of the sport or to be the voice of reason which he had all the power in the world to do at the time. Are there some fringe idiots in NASCAR who still possess a 1952 word view? Yes. But they're also in every other sport and virtually every industry. I truly believe the majority of people are good. Regardless of race or whatever other category the media or blood sucking politicians of either party want to label people with to sow division and gain voting blocks. I don't do that bullshit. People are people. If you're an asshole, you're not a black asshole or a white asshole. You're just an asshole. Every race of human has them. People like Bubba don't help that cause one bit. He could've talked about how the racing community welcomed him with open arms and how racing has given him so much but instead, he decided to roll around in the shit with the pigs in the media. As for the personal gain part, do you think he and others didn't notice the money that Kaepernick has made since becoming a martyr? Nike endorsements, book deals etc. There's money to be made there. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just how I saw it at the time.