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October 04, 2011 at
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I live in a small Ohio town that is famous for being a Speedtrap, in fact we have the Speedtrap Diner!! Woodville, Ohio on Route 20
They patrol the school zone which extends a half mile from where the kids cross for school and they used to abuse this so bad. Our town has no income tax because of the revenue.
It's not near as bad as it used to be but people still tell me they'll never spend a dime in that town becasue they got a ticket years ago. Once you earn the stigma, you pay the price for it I guess.
As a side note, never had any issues with the Knoxville police, but i don't drink either...
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Posted By: sprint777x on October 04 2011 at 12:22:21 PM
Would the town be what it is today without the track?
Are you saying the track is the primary reason for the town's existance?
I don't know many people who move to Knoxville just because the track's here. I'm sure there are some but not many. Knoxville has 7,000+ residents. Many were born here. Many lived here and raised families here because there were good paying jobs nearby or they had businesses that were successful before the onset of chain stores. Many live here because of the close proximity and good four lane roads to Des Moines, where many work and shop but can find a house that's less expensive here without most of the crap you have living in the city. The schools are more manageable. The living is less hectic.
Most people don't care about the track or the Nationals unless it benefits them. So, yes, the town could succeed just as well WITHOUT the track as it can with it.
We welcome those who come here for the Nationals but we don't NEED you. It was a far bigger deal when the VA cut back and eventually closed (costing professional jobs), Maytag closed, ect. The town has adapted. The track and the Nationals really aren't that big of a deal in the real world.
Again, if you want to complain because you get a ticket or somebody doesn't bow down to your waving a couple of bucks around expecting us to dance, well, that's to bad. You control where you spend your money. We'll continue to survive with or without you.
Hey, I have nothing against the races at all. I like sprint car racing and think it's an exciting sport. Yet I've come to realize it's really not that important. The only people who pray for good weather more than the fans are the townspeople, who are happy when Sunday comes and our guests are headed home.
Just don't ever think this town exists for the track and not the other way around.
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If not for the speedway what could possibly be the reason to move to Knoxville? Cheap Meth? Make no mistake about if Knoxville didn't have that speedway nobody would know it even exists and the towns population would tank. There is nothing to do there but the races on Saturday nights. Don't get me wrong part of the whole appeal of the place is its middle of nowhere Sprint car mecca atmosphere. It's just that if you take the sprint car mecca out of that statement its just a ghost town in the middle of nowhere.
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Posted By: sprint777x on October 04 2011 at 12:22:21 PM
Would the town be what it is today without the track?
Are you saying the track is the primary reason for the town's existance?
I don't know many people who move to Knoxville just because the track's here. I'm sure there are some but not many. Knoxville has 7,000+ residents. Many were born here. Many lived here and raised families here because there were good paying jobs nearby or they had businesses that were successful before the onset of chain stores. Many live here because of the close proximity and good four lane roads to Des Moines, where many work and shop but can find a house that's less expensive here without most of the crap you have living in the city. The schools are more manageable. The living is less hectic.
Most people don't care about the track or the Nationals unless it benefits them. So, yes, the town could succeed just as well WITHOUT the track as it can with it.
We welcome those who come here for the Nationals but we don't NEED you. It was a far bigger deal when the VA cut back and eventually closed (costing professional jobs), Maytag closed, ect. The town has adapted. The track and the Nationals really aren't that big of a deal in the real world.
Again, if you want to complain because you get a ticket or somebody doesn't bow down to your waving a couple of bucks around expecting us to dance, well, that's to bad. You control where you spend your money. We'll continue to survive with or without you.
Hey, I have nothing against the races at all. I like sprint car racing and think it's an exciting sport. Yet I've come to realize it's really not that important. The only people who pray for good weather more than the fans are the townspeople, who are happy when Sunday comes and our guests are headed home.
Just don't ever think this town exists for the track and not the other way around.
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"QUOTE" The only people who pray for good weather more than the fans are the townspeople, who are happy when Sunday comes and our guests are headed home. "End Quote"
Sorry, but that phrase right there speaks volumes.
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I was just reading on another post of how people lump all PA fans into the same group. Well I to live in Knoxville and sprint777 does not speak for me. Would Knoxville be the same without the track? nobody will ever know. Do the cops go over board? maybe but I am glad they are doing their jobs cuz i dont want to. The Nationals are the best sprint car event in the world. Sure it has room to improve, but i think if you look in the mirror, you will find you have plenty of room to improve. I for one wish they would race every night and the nationals lasted a month. And if i had room you could all come stay at my house. Sure I complain on here from time to time but the reality is the nationals are a great event involving great people. It is the few exceptions that make it seem worse than it is. Call me in August if you need a place to stay or a bite to eat. I know plenty of people in Knoxville that would love to help you out, including me. And I will drive the golf cart if you need a ride.
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How anyone can say the town does not benefit is beyond me and shows ignorance.
My beef is the hypocracy shown be the law when RAGBRAI comes around.
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Posted By: Oppermanfan on October 04 2011 at 02:16:07 PM
I was just reading on another post of how people lump all PA fans into the same group. Well I to live in Knoxville and sprint777 does not speak for me. Would Knoxville be the same without the track? nobody will ever know. Do the cops go over board? maybe but I am glad they are doing their jobs cuz i dont want to. The Nationals are the best sprint car event in the world. Sure it has room to improve, but i think if you look in the mirror, you will find you have plenty of room to improve. I for one wish they would race every night and the nationals lasted a month. And if i had room you could all come stay at my house. Sure I complain on here from time to time but the reality is the nationals are a great event involving great people. It is the few exceptions that make it seem worse than it is. Call me in August if you need a place to stay or a bite to eat. I know plenty of people in Knoxville that would love to help you out, including me. And I will drive the golf cart if you need a ride.
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Oppermanfan I have been going to the complete Iowa speed weeks for 7 years now, and everyone that I have ran into from the area are just like you. I even sit with a great guy from Pella. A retired cop, but I don't hold that against him. haha I have yet to be or get in trouble with the law while I am there. I do drink my share, but I am carefull to watch my step, so to speak. Just like you, don't lump all of us out of towners into the same group.
I will be back in 2012 for the whole 10 days. I might just take you up on the golf ride. ;-)
By the way if no one will say it, I will. Thank you!
Dave Boy
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Posted By: Oppermanfan on October 04 2011 at 02:16:07 PM
I was just reading on another post of how people lump all PA fans into the same group. Well I to live in Knoxville and sprint777 does not speak for me. Would Knoxville be the same without the track? nobody will ever know. Do the cops go over board? maybe but I am glad they are doing their jobs cuz i dont want to. The Nationals are the best sprint car event in the world. Sure it has room to improve, but i think if you look in the mirror, you will find you have plenty of room to improve. I for one wish they would race every night and the nationals lasted a month. And if i had room you could all come stay at my house. Sure I complain on here from time to time but the reality is the nationals are a great event involving great people. It is the few exceptions that make it seem worse than it is. Call me in August if you need a place to stay or a bite to eat. I know plenty of people in Knoxville that would love to help you out, including me. And I will drive the golf cart if you need a ride.
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Im not sure i could survive a month long nationals! But i sure could use a ride back to the north campground. Sometimes that sidewalk gets pretty curvy!
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Posted By: henry chinaski on October 04 2011 at 01:47:40 PM
If not for the speedway what could possibly be the reason to move to Knoxville? Cheap Meth? Make no mistake about if Knoxville didn't have that speedway nobody would know it even exists and the towns population would tank. There is nothing to do there but the races on Saturday nights. Don't get me wrong part of the whole appeal of the place is its middle of nowhere Sprint car mecca atmosphere. It's just that if you take the sprint car mecca out of that statement its just a ghost town in the middle of nowhere.
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Aren't most towns with a population of 8500 people just ghost towns to people from other states? Heck, there are towns bigger then Knoxville in Iowa that people haven't even heard of. I do know that when you wear a Knoxville Sprint Car shirt to Disney Land, someone....if not more then one, will come up and start a conversation with you about their best time in Knoxville. Fact is, Knoxville is just like any other small town in the country....only difference is we have one of the greatest, if not greatest, sprint car facilities and races in our back yard, which puts this small town on a lot of peoples maps.
I got pulled over during Nationals for a license plate light out. In this case it really was, but I knew driving at 2 am, during Nationals, the cops were probably thinking I had just left the bar. Guess what.....THEY WERE RIGHT. Only I was the DD. They were trying to keep the roads safe and I appreciate that. I would much rather have them pull me over to check, rather then letting someone drive and kill another person.
The ones that get tickets with golf karts and public intox are the the ones who act like Morons. They are the ones ramping their golf kart off of curbs and driving through yards, the ones that are peeing in public, and the ones that are fighting in the parking lots.
I just hope the guy that got escorted out of the Dirt Late Model Nationals by the police doesnt write an article because he was arrested for dropping his pants and peeing in the stands.....yes, about 15 rows up....section F. Hopefully he goes on a pedafile list for exposing himself in public with all of the kids that were present. Then he tried to act as though he did nothing wrong!
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Posted By: TheProfessor5 on October 04 2011 at 03:10:00 PM
Aren't most towns with a population of 8500 people just ghost towns to people from other states? Heck, there are towns bigger then Knoxville in Iowa that people haven't even heard of. I do know that when you wear a Knoxville Sprint Car shirt to Disney Land, someone....if not more then one, will come up and start a conversation with you about their best time in Knoxville. Fact is, Knoxville is just like any other small town in the country....only difference is we have one of the greatest, if not greatest, sprint car facilities and races in our back yard, which puts this small town on a lot of peoples maps.
I got pulled over during Nationals for a license plate light out. In this case it really was, but I knew driving at 2 am, during Nationals, the cops were probably thinking I had just left the bar. Guess what.....THEY WERE RIGHT. Only I was the DD. They were trying to keep the roads safe and I appreciate that. I would much rather have them pull me over to check, rather then letting someone drive and kill another person.
The ones that get tickets with golf karts and public intox are the the ones who act like Morons. They are the ones ramping their golf kart off of curbs and driving through yards, the ones that are peeing in public, and the ones that are fighting in the parking lots.
I just hope the guy that got escorted out of the Dirt Late Model Nationals by the police doesnt write an article because he was arrested for dropping his pants and peeing in the stands.....yes, about 15 rows up....section F. Hopefully he goes on a pedafile list for exposing himself in public with all of the kids that were present. Then he tried to act as though he did nothing wrong!
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Interesting you say that. 5 years ago i took my kids to disney and some guy really did come up and talk to me about the nationals. I had the only sprint car shirt in the place that i saw but i obviously wasnt the only fan. Funny hearing somebody else say they had it happen to them. Sorry to get off subject. Ive never had a problem with the police at knoxville .In fact have always found them to be quite friendly.Hopefully it stays that way.
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I really don't understand how we can argue that local businesses do not benefit from the influx of people during Southern Iowa Speed Week. Any time there is more traffic in town, money is being spent on food, gas, entertainment, hotel...
Sales had to be greater during those 10 days than a typical day in the summer in numerous stores.
More sales, more stock, more hours to work, and possibly more people to hire temporarily. Would it be safe to say the people that work at the businesses in Pella, Osky, Knoxville, and some of the other towns near by hire local residents?
These residents obviously spend some of their money back into the town they live in.
I understand the term local but regardless of local (Dingus, Tasos,...) or not (Walmart) these town's residents and people that work there benefit directly or indirectly by increased sales, revenue and from the existence of the business being located in that town and therefore jobs.
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Sprint777x is not a very intelligent person. Could Knoxville survive without the track? Sure. But open your eyes. You think the 40K people coming into Knoxville bring their own canned ham and bread? I've been making the trip to the Knoxville Nationals for 22 years and can tell you that we(14 of us) have supported the city/businesses.
This post started with the POPO's, but the Sprint777x comment was obsurd. He/she does not have a clue about business enterprise. The Knoxville Football team, Lions, etc is a big part of the 5 days we are in Knoxville. Ask them if they want Speedweeks gone. You may drive to Des Moines to work, but to think Knoxville businesses don't appreciate the large volume of true sprint car fans coming into their town--you crazy. I love Knoxville and will continue to come but I hope I never have to "run into" Sprint777x.
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Posted By: donimus on September 30 2011 at 09:57:09 AM
Great commentary from Doug Auld on the happenings during the Knoxville Nationals.
I know of many people, myslef included, that are considering different plans for our sprint car vacations. Maybe they could rebrand the Nationals as a RAGBRAI event and then anything will be allowed and low enforcement will look the other way.
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Oh the thrill of living in rural small town America. The days of the police officers and chief being home grown locals are gone. They have been replaced with out of towner gun slinging Gestapo .They want to use there power to use the police office as a cash cow for the town. The home grown cops knew the $$$$ value of the nationals to the local economy, they had families and friends who's livelihood depended on it. And no i'am not a bitter recipient of ticket , but you see and hear about it all the time. Anyone wanting a chuckle check the following to see what our chief of police has been up to !
http://www.kniakrls.com/2011/11/knoxville-police-department-receive-vietnam-era-and-wwii-era-rifles/
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Posted By: macbob2 on January 14 2012 at 08:34:46 AM
Oh the thrill of living in rural small town America. The days of the police officers and chief being home grown locals are gone. They have been replaced with out of towner gun slinging Gestapo .They want to use there power to use the police office as a cash cow for the town. The home grown cops knew the $$$$ value of the nationals to the local economy, they had families and friends who's livelihood depended on it. And no i'am not a bitter recipient of ticket , but you see and hear about it all the time. Anyone wanting a chuckle check the following to see what our chief of police has been up to !
http://www.kniakrls.com/2011/11/knoxville-police-department-receive-vietnam-era-and-wwii-era-rifles/
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I guess World War II lasted longer than I thought it had. The M-14 was adopted by the US Military in 1957 and the first M-14's were delivered in July of 1959. The error in the information given by the Knoxville PD in the news article is a good indication of just how bright they really are. 
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Posted By: sprint777x on September 30 2011 at 06:22:38 PM
If it's as bad as some of you say and that it's selective enforcement depending on where you are from, I would recommend fighting the tickets or, in the case you have been completely wronged, sue.
I've fought tickets before and won. I'm not going to get bullied. Maybe you should take the same attitude. Get an attorney, take 'em to court and get some publicity through mainstream media.
Frankly, I think there is certainly some heavy-handed enforcement of laws that aren't enforced year-round. I also think that there are those who abuse their privilages while in town for the races and officers look the other way.
The Nationals event is dying anyway. Nothing to do for people who come here, which makes people find other things to do during the day and stay out of town.
The town doesn't get behind the Nationals like it used to and probably never will again since there is little economic incentive to do so. I think the vast majority of the townsfolk are getting to the point that it's more of a nuisance week than anything. With fewer and fewer individual businesses around to profit from the races, people see little reason to cater to fans and take a dim view of those that can't obey the laws while they are in town.
Complainers might need to keep that in mind.
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777x I have read alot of your tales. You are negative on every thing. Ever hear of HYVEE, Pizza Hut just to name a couple that do real well at national.
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This is not just Knoxville, it is nationwide. The law enforcement role has transformed from fairly calm and subjective father figure types to near rage charged "cage fighter" type aggressive individuals attracted to the venue/ job with an outlet for their need to be in absolute control, facts or not. Watch video time and time again on TV of 2-3 cops with someone handcuffed and face down yet grinding their face in the concrete and yelling "sir, stop resisting!" and tell me this is not the case.
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Among other alleged "over the top" practices, the various law enforcement entities that patrol the area during the race week have been "profile" stopping single passenger vehicles for years, particularly out of towners and rental cars. And yes, just like racial profiling it is illegal. If someone were to do a detailed analysis of people who get moving violations during the week they would prolly find the majority were to single passenger vehicles.
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Posted By: Langhorne on January 15 2012 at 02:09:29 PM
Among other alleged "over the top" practices, the various law enforcement entities that patrol the area during the race week have been "profile" stopping single passenger vehicles for years, particularly out of towners and rental cars. And yes, just like racial profiling it is illegal. If someone were to do a detailed analysis of people who get moving violations during the week they would prolly find the majority were to single passenger vehicles.
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I am an out of towner (usually by myself) that visits Knoxville several times per year (since the early 80's) and have never been stopped once by the Knoxville law officers. Thus, I think your theory is a bunch of BS. Do what you are supposed to and you have nothing to worry about.
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last time i was down for all 4 nights of the nationals was 2002, i was helping schatz's sell t-shirts, during the day and after the races. on friday night we got done about 130am, grabbed abeer from the cooler and was going to the car wash to help clean the car, my major mistake was i just walked across the street unopened beer and here came two cop cars the one stopped asked what i was doing i explained, he told me to open the beer and dump it, i asked him twice i thought he was kidding, i then asked him where and he said right there in the middle of 14, i again asked him twice. then did it in disbeleif. i figured they would haul my but in for dumping it. i know i was j walking but the only cars there were the 2 sheriff cars(my luck). back in the late 80's and early 90's i would walk around all day with a big caseys mug and a six pack sling and never got looked at. in fact when i was not working that year i did the same. and was never bothered. but i can see everyones point how the times have changed it is a money making scheme for the cops, that is it
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Posted By: jwerkman on January 16 2012 at 08:04:19 AM
last time i was down for all 4 nights of the nationals was 2002, i was helping schatz's sell t-shirts, during the day and after the races. on friday night we got done about 130am, grabbed abeer from the cooler and was going to the car wash to help clean the car, my major mistake was i just walked across the street unopened beer and here came two cop cars the one stopped asked what i was doing i explained, he told me to open the beer and dump it, i asked him twice i thought he was kidding, i then asked him where and he said right there in the middle of 14, i again asked him twice. then did it in disbeleif. i figured they would haul my but in for dumping it. i know i was j walking but the only cars there were the 2 sheriff cars(my luck). back in the late 80's and early 90's i would walk around all day with a big caseys mug and a six pack sling and never got looked at. in fact when i was not working that year i did the same. and was never bothered. but i can see everyones point how the times have changed it is a money making scheme for the cops, that is it
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If it was un-opened, they cannot do anything (legally) to you, it's no different than purchasing it at HyVee and taking it home (except it wasn't in a sack I'm guessing).
If it was open, by asking you to dump it, they are doing you a favor by not giving you an "open container" ticket which they legally could.
I do not share Sprinter777X's view of Knoxville even though we live in the same town. From a business perspective, the Raceway has always been beneficial to local businesses and charities (Raceway Tire & Exhaust is another LOCAL business that sees increased business the week of Nationals from travelers that forgot to check their camper, truck or car tires before departing on a long trip, they (Raceway Tire) in-turn donate to a slew of local charities and organizations (Youth Baseball, Youth FB, High School Sports, Cub Scouts, etc.). However, if the racetrack had never existed, Knoxville would still be around (but no one would have ever heard of it).
Do I think the Cops have been over-zealous? Yes, but with recent city management changes, I think we will begin to see changes for the better.
Unrelated note: City Council is set to approve a TIF agreement at tonights city council meeting that will bring a new 44 room Hotel with indoor pool to Knoxville (Cobblestone Inn) for Nationals 2013 and beyond.
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vande77,
Hey, if you go to the city council meeting in KV bring up this fact sometime. Ask them if anyone has noticed the amount of massively excessive drinking and public partying (and at 90% of it going on in daylight hours) at every NCAA Div. I football venue around the country INCLUDING Ames, IA and Iowa City, IA that for the most part the law HAS to have been told to stand down and be tolerant of the actions of the fans. There is a massively high % of public intoxication and I would bet a surprising high % are minors at these events and I have never seen law sweeping through parking lots on the offensive at a College FB game and I have been to dam near every home NU game tailgating for 20 years. There have to be pre event meetings that set the tone of the offense that these law efforts execute for such events, no question. At the least something is said to idle them down at college football. Maybe nothing is said and that is the unsaid rule to "bring it" for Nationals. I dont buy it cause I have lived it both ways and the way it was 20 years ago at KV. I have not gone in 5-6 years because it was not as fun as it was period if I spend $600 bucks for the weekend I want to have the time I had previously known it to be. I don't smoke weed, stumble around drunk, etc. but I sure as hell don't need cops everywhere I turn puffing chests and observe them hassling others, etc. It is not the only reason but it contributes in a large sense. No matter what is commented the law's approach at KV during the Nationals is NOT contributing to helping turn the attendance around period. I would predict for every ticket they issue to an out of town attendee that person will not be back and likely 2-6 people they know. Simple stats.
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