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August 14, 2022 at
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Saturday almost always has the best A main. Those B-E features really widen the track out.
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on August 12 2022 at 02:13:20 PM
Bingo! You can't even talk of ideas to make a broken outdated formula better though because...It's the Nationals! It's the best race of the year!
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To be clear the people disagreeing with you aren't disagreeing because of tradition or "it's the nationals" or "it's the way it's always been done". They are disagreeing with you because it's a format that STILL works. Why do you say it's an outdated broken formula? Do you feel cheated that a car missed the A main on Saturday who could've been a factor?
Also to another point of yours. Who is the "we" that doesn't want to see the best cars in the B? First off I love to see big names missing the main event, it's fun to see how they handle having to just race their way into the show. Also what determines the "best" drivers? Is it the WOO cars? Is it the All stars? Is it the Knoxville regulars? Would you feel better if they just gave these "best drivers" an exemption and said no matter what you'll be in the show, because that's what fans (and judging by the responses you've gotten, the minority of fans) want to see?
I'm not sure how well you understand the format, so just so you're aware, time trials and the feature pay the exact same amount of points. They don't take that those points away if you miss the A.
Last night Kyle Larson blew a tire which meant he had to restart at the tail at some point and came back to finish 6th. Schatz was back to 7th with around 20 to go and won. So I've always wondered why people complain about the format when from what I've seen ANYONE who makes the A can win the race if they hit the right setup and everything goes their way.
It's a format that has worked and continues to work. Sorry you're upset about 4 (what most fans would call) great days of racing.
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August 15, 2022 at
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The track slowed down and the racing got much better. Logan's comment that he never lifted thru 1 and 2 proved that. It proved if your not fast on the bottom your not going to win the nationals.
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August 15, 2022 at
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Posted By: TacoTruck on August 12 2022 at 06:06:15 PM
inverts on half miles suck. either invert 4 or less, or dont take any transfers out of the heat. do points instead.
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The 8 invert is very good! They already do points for the heats. Want to get more point in the heats pass more cars. So there is passing points. The more cars you pass the more points you get.
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on August 11 2022 at 09:06:13 AM
Time to bump up the invert to 6. We want to see the best cars and drivers in the A mains, not the B on qualifying nights. These cars are too even and locked down and the track is still too fast and narrow to have much passing in the heats. Every heat was led start to finish by whoever got the jump off the front row. Only 1 of the 8 row 4 starters made it up to 4th from their heat, and he was aided by a guy in front of him getting a flat. 18 of top 20 timers were in the B main. Do we need any more proof that the format needs tweeked? Prelim nights are becoming a joke. It's 2022 not 1992, gotta roll with the changes.
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And before you know it, Everybody will want a participation Trophy! Don't try and fix what isn't broke, It's hard, It's the Knoxville Nationals.
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August 15, 2022 at
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on August 15 2022 at 10:30:31 AM
The 8 invert is very good! They already do points for the heats. Want to get more point in the heats pass more cars. So there is passing points. The more cars you pass the more points you get.
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those points should get you into the a-main on the qualifying night. hardly any car in the field is slow enough to fall from the front row to 5th in a heat race. taking top 4 to the feature on a 8 car invert is stupid
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August 15, 2022 at
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Posted By: TacoTruck on August 15 2022 at 01:49:17 PM
those points should get you into the a-main on the qualifying night. hardly any car in the field is slow enough to fall from the front row to 5th in a heat race. taking top 4 to the feature on a 8 car invert is stupid
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Nope. If you want to qualify in the heat you better hit the hole shot going into one on the first lap. That is why the Nationals are so great. It gives everyone a chance to qualify for at least one feature during the week. Best format for the biggest race of the year.
Do you want to know what is really stupid? Starting the fastes time trailer on the pole of the heats. That is the dumbest thing I ever did see.
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on August 15 2022 at 02:10:03 PM
Nope. If you want to qualify in the heat you better hit the hole shot going into one on the first lap. That is why the Nationals are so great. It gives everyone a chance to qualify for at least one feature during the week. Best format for the biggest race of the year.
Do you want to know what is really stupid? Starting the fastes time trailer on the pole of the heats. That is the dumbest thing I ever did see.
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2022 in a nutshell....if your opinion is not the same as mine, you are wrong and I am right.
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Posted By: larsonfan on August 15 2022 at 02:32:04 PM
2022 in a nutshell....if your opinion is not the same as mine, you are wrong and I am right.
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Nope, 2022 in a nutshell. Why change the best format for the biggest race of the year. It works very well every year and will continue to work well for years to come.
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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Posted By: hardon on August 14 2022 at 09:14:54 PM
To be clear the people disagreeing with you aren't disagreeing because of tradition or "it's the nationals" or "it's the way it's always been done". They are disagreeing with you because it's a format that STILL works. Why do you say it's an outdated broken formula? Do you feel cheated that a car missed the A main on Saturday who could've been a factor?
Also to another point of yours. Who is the "we" that doesn't want to see the best cars in the B? First off I love to see big names missing the main event, it's fun to see how they handle having to just race their way into the show. Also what determines the "best" drivers? Is it the WOO cars? Is it the All stars? Is it the Knoxville regulars? Would you feel better if they just gave these "best drivers" an exemption and said no matter what you'll be in the show, because that's what fans (and judging by the responses you've gotten, the minority of fans) want to see?
I'm not sure how well you understand the format, so just so you're aware, time trials and the feature pay the exact same amount of points. They don't take that those points away if you miss the A.
Last night Kyle Larson blew a tire which meant he had to restart at the tail at some point and came back to finish 6th. Schatz was back to 7th with around 20 to go and won. So I've always wondered why people complain about the format when from what I've seen ANYONE who makes the A can win the race if they hit the right setup and everything goes their way.
It's a format that has worked and continues to work. Sorry you're upset about 4 (what most fans would call) great days of racing.
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Like myself and a few others have explained, the formats for the prelim nights are outdated because of the heat race invert of 8 cars. That was great a couple decades ago, but the cars nowadays are too even and locked down and the track is still too fast for there to be much passing in the heats. The heat races looked like hotlaps. 9 of 10 heats were won from the guy who who took the lead off the front row on the start. 18 of 20 top TT were in the B main Wednesday night. Both prelim features were led start to finish from the pole. Less invert for heats and larger invert for A main - problem solved. Saturday nights A main was a good one, agree with you there. I'm not upset at all as I have no dog in the race. Just casual observations. If something can be made better, why not do it?
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on August 15 2022 at 02:46:24 PM
Nope, 2022 in a nutshell. Why change the best format for the biggest race of the year. It works very well every year and will continue to work well for years to come.
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It's been changed many times. The heat race invert was lowered from 10 to 8 a few years back and obviously needs lowered to 4 or 6. The Friday format is completely different than it used to be. These changes were great improvements. You have to keep up with the times. No one can pass in the heats anymore on a tacky 1/2 mile track.
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Here, I fixed it for you. We don't need to change the format or the points awarded. We need to fix these shitty cars! Do you think a bunch of these on a big track would have as much difficulty following and passing each other as the ones we have now?
What winged sprint cars could become
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on August 15 2022 at 04:12:49 PM
It's been changed many times. The heat race invert was lowered from 10 to 8 a few years back and obviously needs lowered to 4 or 6. The Friday format is completely different than it used to be. These changes were great improvements. You have to keep up with the times. No one can pass in the heats anymore on a tacky 1/2 mile track.
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It changed from 10 to 8 around 2008 or 2009. No need to change from 8 right now. This will allow your car counts to stay around 100 each year. Take it any lower and you will be lucky to get 65 or 70 cars for the week.
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on August 15 2022 at 04:04:33 PM
Like myself and a few others have explained, the formats for the prelim nights are outdated because of the heat race invert of 8 cars. That was great a couple decades ago, but the cars nowadays are too even and locked down and the track is still too fast for there to be much passing in the heats. The heat races looked like hotlaps. 9 of 10 heats were won from the guy who who took the lead off the front row on the start. 18 of 20 top TT were in the B main Wednesday night. Both prelim features were led start to finish from the pole. Less invert for heats and larger invert for A main - problem solved. Saturday nights A main was a good one, agree with you there. I'm not upset at all as I have no dog in the race. Just casual observations. If something can be made better, why not do it?
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Well, I guess it's true what they say, you can't please everyone. Have what most sprint car fans call the greatest 4 days of sprint car racing and a few clowns on the internet will say "Oh it's not fair, it's too hard of a format for the professionals". I don't understand what the "problem" is and what there is to "solve"? You think moving guys with the faster time closer to the front is going to make more passing? It's a format on a preliminary night, if you don't make it there you can race your way in Friday. I'll ask you again, who missed the A main on Saturday due to the format on Wednesday or Thursday that would've been a factor? It's obvious you don't like the nationals since you're on every other post ragging on the nationals. Maybe next year you should just skip it. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how dumb it is.
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Posted By: hardon on August 16 2022 at 08:40:35 AM
Well, I guess it's true what they say, you can't please everyone. Have what most sprint car fans call the greatest 4 days of sprint car racing and a few clowns on the internet will say "Oh it's not fair, it's too hard of a format for the professionals". I don't understand what the "problem" is and what there is to "solve"? You think moving guys with the faster time closer to the front is going to make more passing? It's a format on a preliminary night, if you don't make it there you can race your way in Friday. I'll ask you again, who missed the A main on Saturday due to the format on Wednesday or Thursday that would've been a factor? It's obvious you don't like the nationals since you're on every other post ragging on the nationals. Maybe next year you should just skip it. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how dumb it is.
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I wish I could have made it this year.
We are going next year 2023. We can't wait for it to get here! The best of the best cars go to Knoxville every year.
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
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August 16, 2022 at
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Not sure why the format is catching any flack. The cream rose to the top. 5 of top 6 in WoO points got top 10 and the Macedo was top 5 until flat tire. Top All Star, top 5, 2nd in All Stars 12th. Best Posse, top 10. Best California locked in on prelim night and mechanical failure ended his night. Former WoO champ Pittman (hasn't forgot how to drive) top 10. Kofoid winning in multiple disciplines, top Rookie 11th. Larson overcame tire issue, top 10. Other top true outlaws, Rico, Reutzel, K.Madsen 13-15. 4 Knoxville locals in the A. Both Prelim winners got top 5. What am I missing where anyone "deserving" got screwed?????
Highest WoO not in A = Zearfoss
Highest All Star not in A = Wise
Highest Posse not in A = Macri
Highest California not in A = Golobic/Day
Highest Knoxville Regular not in A = Justin Henderson
None of those missing the A is even a tiny bit of a shock.
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August 16, 2022 at
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Good info Armyduke.
6 of the top 9 in the A main were 6 of top 9 in WoO points.
2 that weren't were Marks and Larson probably the 2 fastest non outlaws all year.
After multi nights of qualiying 100 cars and a great final night A main with lots of action I would say Knoxville's qualifying procedures worked about perfectly. I wouldn't change a thing.
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on August 15 2022 at 02:10:03 PM
Nope. If you want to qualify in the heat you better hit the hole shot going into one on the first lap. That is why the Nationals are so great. It gives everyone a chance to qualify for at least one feature during the week. Best format for the biggest race of the year.
Do you want to know what is really stupid? Starting the fastes time trailer on the pole of the heats. That is the dumbest thing I ever did see.
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How is starting the fast guys at the front dumb? they earned it. There's no passing at the front of those heat races at that big ass track anyway, no matter who starts up front.
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on August 15 2022 at 04:12:49 PM
It's been changed many times. The heat race invert was lowered from 10 to 8 a few years back and obviously needs lowered to 4 or 6. The Friday format is completely different than it used to be. These changes were great improvements. You have to keep up with the times. No one can pass in the heats anymore on a tacky 1/2 mile track.
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100% agree with all of this
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So, has there ever been a time when 80-90% of the top 20 qualifiers had to run the B ?
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