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BStrawser26
December 30, 2021 at 11:01:27 AM
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Posted By: egras on December 30 2021 at 10:06:34 AM

Before I go too far, it appears you and I vote the same way---just guessing by your comments.  However, I have far too much common sense to believe coal is a power source of the future.  It's not.  There will be no coal producing power plants in the near future.  There are far too many other options to produce cleaner, safer power.  I live in cornfield USA, grew up on a farm, and our family still owns a lot of crop ground.  I remember all of the negative publicity about ethanol and biodiesel as well when these plants were popping up around us.  And to start with, much of the negative publicity was correct as the plants were not efficient, and fuel produced was not cost effective.  However, over the past 20 years, the 2 plants in our area have become extremely efficient at producing fuel, and have produced dozens of valuable bi-products as technology has evolved.  They were hemorrhaging money for the first couple of years and now are very, very profitable----I know because my family is heavily invested in both.  Same will apply for E-cars.  Right now, there is a lot of pushback.  Battery disposal?  Yes, this wil be an issue.  Power grid?  Yes, this will be an issue.  However, all of these issues will be dealth with as time goes on.  

As far as our "lightspeed" approach to electric cars, electric cars have been around since the 1800's.  It is pretty well known that big oil suppressed the development of these cars for decades---from the 70's through the 90's for sure.  I would hardly call the development of e-cars a lightspeed development.  I will not buy a $60,000 Tesla that goes 250 miles before it needs an 8 hour charge.  I will not buy a $70,000 electric truck that goes 300 miles on a charge.  In the future, however, I will entertain purchasing a $30,000 car/suv/truck that goes 1000 miles on a 30 minute charge.  And don't kid yourself-----the technology will be there to do this.  They will find a way to recycle the batteries.  They will find a way to charge these vehicles for pennies per mile.  Remember, if there is money to be made, these companies will fight to stay on the cutting edge and that cutting edge is going to make us laugh at where the electric car is in 2021.  It's only getting started.  

I pray the e-car does not take over racing for a very long time.  But your kidding yourself if you think it's not coming.  



Again, if it weren't for the government officals demonizing coal.  Coal is not as dirty as some think,  neither is oil and or gas burning cars.  They are pushing these on us like never before.  It is wrong.  Let it go at the pace is was going at.  But no the guy who doesn't know where he is most of the time put a burden on these car makers.  That is wrong and it will always be wrong.

We need all types of energy not just one type and coal still should be one of them despite what the people that represent us say about it.  With how may batteries that are going to be coming down the pike they will never ever be able to recyle all of them.  Just like they can't recycle all the things they want you to recycle now.  They try to get some of it but I know a lot of places aroung here and I am talking recycling places stopped recycling because it was not cost effective. 

It sounds like we are on the same page as far as the e-cars go.  I will not buy one until it is the only thing I can purchase.  It is being pushed down our throats at lightspeed.  That will never be ok with me or the millions of us out there.

I will never ever go to a race that has e-cars racing in it.  


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revjimk
December 30, 2021 at 11:50:58 AM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on December 30 2021 at 07:46:06 AM

We need everything to make it work.   In my area of the country I only see about 1 or 2 e-cars a week if I am luckly.  There has been growth but not like our leader wanted.  He shouldn't be pushing this garbage down our throats.   He shut down oil pipelines and that will not increase the price of oil and then lead to higher prices at the pumps?....will it?  4.00 a gallon for gas in the spring and summer.  Coming to a gas station near you.

Yes, we need coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear, wind turbines, and solar.  Let us make the choice on what we want to use.    Where do we throw the old batteries away once they are junk?  Don't tell me they will recycle all of them, cause that is impossible once there are a lot more e-cars on the road.

The only reason coal production is decreasing is because our politicians demonized it, and it isn't as harmful to the enviroment as they lead you to believe.  They are shutting down coal mines and that is not right, and no I don't use coal, but for those who would like to - I am all for it.



"The only reason coal production is decreasing is because our politicians demonized it, and it isn't as harmful to the enviroment as they lead you to believe."????

As usual, you're out of your mind. Coal is not only bad for miner's lungs (Black lung), but to people where its burned. I worked OUTSIDE a coal mine for a while ( Thank God not underground... I did that at a hard rock mine), & realized I had never learned how to take a shower. First, put away all work clothes. Then start washing at the top of our head & work down. Otherwise you have to start all over. The very air is explosive (coal dust & methane) Coal miners get killed all the time & most hard rock miners won't go near a coal mine. NINETEEN miners got killed in one explosion at the coal mine where I worked.... & the company had the nerve to have on their busses & buildings the slogan "Non Union Coal is Safe Coal"

You can have your own opinion about PR, but this is indisputable: https://popularpittsburgh.com/darkhistory/

 

 



revjimk
December 30, 2021 at 12:02:58 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2U9Onrxepg




revjimk
December 30, 2021 at 12:16:45 PM
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"The only reason coal production is decreasing is because our politicians demonized it, and it isn't as harmful to the enviroment as they lead you to believe."????

As usual, you're out of your mind. Coal is not only bad for miner's lungs (Black lung), but to people where its burned. I worked OUTSIDE a coal mine for a while ( Thank God not underground... I did that at a hard rock mine), & realized I had never learned how to take a shower. First, put away all work clothes. Then start washing at the top of our head & work down. Otherwise you have to start all over. The very air is explosive (coal dust & methane) Coal miners get killed all the time & most hard rock miners won't go near a coal mine. NINETEEN miners got killed in one explosion at the coal mine where I worked.... & the company had the nerve to have on their busses & buildings the slogan "Non Union Coal is Safe Coal"

You can have your own opinion about PR, but this is indisputable: https://popularpittsburgh.com/darkhistory/

 

 



"most hard rock miners won't go near a coal mine."....

& hard rock miners aren't wimps. 5 people got killed at the 15 months I worked at Climax Molybdenum in Leadville, Colorado, 4 different accidents. MSHA (like OSHA for mining) would post "Fatalgrams" after each fatality, explaining what happened & how to avoid it. It always amazed me that guys would crowd around reading them, then go right back to work......very similar to sprint car racing frown



BStrawser26
December 30, 2021 at 12:18:03 PM
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Posted By: revjimk on December 30 2021 at 12:02:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2U9Onrxepg



Sorry, if we can use e-cars.  We can find a way to safely mine coal.  Coal is not as bad as the political people make it out to be.  Sorry to dissapoint you.  I know there are dangers in coal.  But there are dangers in everything we do as humans.  

e-cars is one of them.  What happens when there is a big pileup and those batteries start burning?  Everyone envolved will be dead.  That is not even a question, it is a guarantee.  e-cars are just as bad for the enviroment as gasoline cars are....no matter what the liars in Washington tell you.


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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revjimk
December 30, 2021 at 12:21:06 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on December 30 2021 at 12:18:03 PM

Sorry, if we can use e-cars.  We can find a way to safely mine coal.  Coal is not as bad as the political people make it out to be.  Sorry to dissapoint you.  I know there are dangers in coal.  But there are dangers in everything we do as humans.  

e-cars is one of them.  What happens when there is a big pileup and those batteries start burning?  Everyone envolved will be dead.  That is not even a question, it is a guarantee.  e-cars are just as bad for the enviroment as gasoline cars are....no matter what the liars in Washington tell you.



"Dissappoint" me???

I already knew you were out of your mind




revjimk
December 30, 2021 at 12:25:11 PM
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I never said E-cars were perfect

But these are facts: https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/coal-power-impacts



revjimk
December 30, 2021 at 12:34:15 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on December 30 2021 at 12:18:03 PM

Sorry, if we can use e-cars.  We can find a way to safely mine coal.  Coal is not as bad as the political people make it out to be.  Sorry to dissapoint you.  I know there are dangers in coal.  But there are dangers in everything we do as humans.  

e-cars is one of them.  What happens when there is a big pileup and those batteries start burning?  Everyone envolved will be dead.  That is not even a question, it is a guarantee.  e-cars are just as bad for the enviroment as gasoline cars are....no matter what the liars in Washington tell you.



"We can find a way to safely mine coal".....duh

There already is a safer way. Its called Strip Mining.... also known as Land Rape



revjimk
December 30, 2021 at 12:38:44 PM
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To everybody else: Sorry to get sidetracked

I couldn't let Trawser's BS slide

The thread is about electric midgets, not coal (although my question of how to generate power for all these E-cars brings it right back up...)




BStrawser26
December 30, 2021 at 12:48:47 PM
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Posted By: revjimk on December 30 2021 at 12:25:11 PM

I never said E-cars were perfect

But these are facts: https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/coal-power-impacts



I already knew you were very, very narrow minded.  You keep proving it time and time again.

E-cars are way less than perfect.  Way below what I would even call a car in todays standards.

Like I said earlier.  I will never go to a race with electric cars.  


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

revjimk
December 30, 2021 at 01:04:47 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on December 30 2021 at 12:48:47 PM

I already knew you were very, very narrow minded.  You keep proving it time and time again.

E-cars are way less than perfect.  Way below what I would even call a car in todays standards.

Like I said earlier.  I will never go to a race with electric cars.  



"Narrow minded"?....I prefer facts to BS

" I will never go to a race with electric cars."

I probably won't either, but who knows....NOW who's narrow minded???  Smile



BStrawser26
December 30, 2021 at 01:27:06 PM
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"Narrow minded"?....I prefer facts to BS

" I will never go to a race with electric cars."

I probably won't either, but who knows....NOW who's narrow minded???  Smile




Why you NEVER perfered facts over BS any other time?   That is a fact!

That is not narrowminded....that is just being truthful.  I know you can't handle the truth!

 


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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BStrawser26
December 30, 2021 at 01:34:39 PM
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"We can find a way to safely mine coal".....duh

There already is a safer way. Its called Strip Mining.... also known as Land Rape



I guess you think that is the only other way it can be mined?......I say it is not.  We shouldn't have to send humans into a mine anymore.....just saying.


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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egras
January 01, 2022 at 12:58:55 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on December 30 2021 at 01:34:39 PM

I guess you think that is the only other way it can be mined?......I say it is not.  We shouldn't have to send humans into a mine anymore.....just saying.



Investing and innovating coal mining in 2022.  Brilliant.  While we're at it, we should invest billions in refining the steam engine and typewriter.  



sw1911
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Posted By: linbob on December 27 2021 at 03:39:30 PM

you are correct,    If everyone around your neiborhood had electric cars the grid today could not keep up.   People do not want nuclear power, others do not want wind or solar power near them.  They need electricity but do not have a clue how it is made,   That will be our next crisis we can blame on some president because he did not make enough electricity.  How much farm land can we take out of production to put in solar panals.  What do you do with millions of old panels when they wear out?  I know, you ship them to New Mexico and put them in a cave.



We lost our energy independence in 2021 so we may be on the road to electrical shortages already. If bbb passes it could happen this year. 


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BStrawser26
January 01, 2022 at 04:48:44 PM
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Investing and innovating coal mining in 2022.  Brilliant.  While we're at it, we should invest billions in refining the steam engine and typewriter.  



It wouldn't cost as much as you think.  Way, way, and way cheaper than solar....and they wouldn't have to subsidize it like they do solar. 

We are still subsidizing electric vehicles out the rear end....that is throwing billions and billions down the drain for junk cars.


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

BStrawser26
January 01, 2022 at 04:50:24 PM
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We lost our energy independence in 2021 so we may be on the road to electrical shortages already. If bbb passes it could happen this year. 



You are correct...with a few strokes of a pen.


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longtimefan
January 02, 2022 at 08:13:31 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on January 01 2022 at 04:48:44 PM

It wouldn't cost as much as you think.  Way, way, and way cheaper than solar....and they wouldn't have to subsidize it like they do solar. 

We are still subsidizing electric vehicles out the rear end....that is throwing billions and billions down the drain for junk cars.



You guys clearly have the wrong idea about mine safety in resent years. It may still be dangerous but it doesn't make the top ten most dangerous jobs anymore. Averaged 30  deaths per year nationwide with all types of mines combined the last couple of years. It just makes the news when multiple deaths do happen.Things just do not get by MSHA inspectors that would have even 25 years ago. By the way those numbers came from an MSHA inspector and included deaths up until Dec. 18 of this year. Many occupations such as logging, farming, truck driving and construction pass mining by a good bit in deaths per 100,000 workers.




beezr2002
January 03, 2022 at 08:54:33 AM
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We need a hybrid midget powered by coal and electric. Make everybody happy!



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I used to worry about the future and actually feel my opinion might affect it. Now I realize that I should just enjoy the moment and make memories while we can. It will be what it is. Not saying we cant discuss it, no harm in that.


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care what most of you think!



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