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revjimk
July 01, 2022 at 02:01:45 PM
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As to your issues with long drives.... I made my first 2 races of the year at Grandview & Port Royal (I'm a year older than you)

Drive to Grandview was mellow (4 hrs.), not much traffic, fun to be at a live race, which was good one, despite Rico winning from the front.

Drive to PR the next day was beautiful, as always. got there way early, took dip in the Juniata River, met some cool people. Race was pretty much a snoozer

Drive home the next day was brutal, other drivers pissing me off, I was exhausted. Traffic thru Danbury Ct. was GOD AWFUL, as usual... not that big a town, but for some reason bumper to bumper for MILES......

So I was feeling my age & doubting my sanity! wink



alum.427
July 01, 2022 at 06:24:41 PM
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You guys are forgetting one thing. The cars today are easily  twice as fast as the cars from the 70's. Advancement in tires alone make today's car handle so much better. Sidewall flex, there was no such thing in my days on track.  Wings were a sheet of plywood. The balls comparison when you compare the cars of today to the cars of yesterday is not equal.  In my opinion when Johnson started the outlaws is when you saw the guys with brass nutz. Throw in what cars weighed back then, some said karl had his car down around 900 lbs. That's crazy. But others did to and that's what made Ted Johnson say enough is enough. Karl still has that car along side his shop I've been told. Split, independent front axle, I think  sammy built one also but I don't think it ever raced.  



alum.427
July 01, 2022 at 08:23:19 PM
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Ghayden, that was also when the banking was steeper. Today's Eldora is a much different racetrack. Sparks were the normal back then with guys putting the bumper on the wall. 




revjimk
July 01, 2022 at 11:14:26 PM
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I don't think he meant it literally! wink

more like "much faster"!



StanM
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July 02, 2022 at 12:59:16 PM
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They were getting pretty quick by the 80's but by then there was a noticeable difference between 80's and 60's and first part of the 70's.  Speeds haven't doubled since 1960 but they're a lot quicker.  Just simple things like going to the wide tires we see today made a big difference.  I remember the narrow tires as well.  Even saw a few Offy and Ranger aircraft engines when I first started going.  


Stan Meissner

kooks
July 03, 2022 at 11:07:09 PM
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Posted By: Kool Trikes on June 26 2022 at 12:29:43 PM

They say it has a ton of horsepower. Drivability is what they seem to  be chasing.



Hasn't that been the "story" with the Fords ever since the days of the Casey Luna Ford?




linbob
July 04, 2022 at 02:09:11 AM
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wing, no wing, 500 HP, and 950 HP.  Rock hard narrower tires, softer tires.  Hard to compare



StanM
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July 04, 2022 at 10:41:05 AM
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I have searched track records to prove this point as well.  1960's Sprint Cars could not beat todays 305's at Knoxville.  I noticed that the 410's and 360's fastest cars in tt were very close in lap times this weekend as well.


Stan Meissner

Murphy
July 04, 2022 at 02:22:31 PM
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Posted By: EC2BME on June 26 2022 at 07:05:27 AM

Own team!! God it's painful to watch a High Dollar team running Average SMH 



If we're being honest about this and not just piling on Schatz, couldn't the same arguments be made about Kraig Kinser and Kasey Kahne?




StanM
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July 05, 2022 at 10:14:26 AM
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Posted By: Murphy on July 04 2022 at 02:22:31 PM

If we're being honest about this and not just piling on Schatz, couldn't the same arguments be made about Kraig Kinser and Kasey Kahne?



True but those two drivers have never dominated the Outlaws or Nationals the way that Donny has.  Fans expected him to stay at or contending for the points lea.  They say it's hard to get to the top and even harder to stay there.  Maybe everyone else has found some more speed during the time they have been developing the motor program.  A lot of drivers have come and gone in my time watching races.  The only constant has been change.  


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Murphy
July 05, 2022 at 10:33:45 AM
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Posted By: StanM on July 05 2022 at 10:14:26 AM

True but those two drivers have never dominated the Outlaws or Nationals the way that Donny has.  Fans expected him to stay at or contending for the points lea.  They say it's hard to get to the top and even harder to stay there.  Maybe everyone else has found some more speed during the time they have been developing the motor program.  A lot of drivers have come and gone in my time watching races.  The only constant has been change.  



Kraig has won a Knoxville Nationals, and he has a well financed team. So, he has that going for him...

I've never understood the hoopla surrounding Kasey Kahne. In fact, I had to reasearch just how many WoO races he's won over the years. Want to guess how many? 



sw1911
July 05, 2022 at 10:51:56 AM
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Posted By: Murphy on July 05 2022 at 10:33:45 AM

Kraig has won a Knoxville Nationals, and he has a well financed team. So, he has that going for him...

I've never understood the hoopla surrounding Kasey Kahne. In fact, I had to reasearch just how many WoO races he's won over the years. Want to guess how many? 



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Within hearing distance of Tri City Speedway


StanM
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July 05, 2022 at 01:17:03 PM
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Posted By: Murphy on July 05 2022 at 10:33:45 AM

Kraig has won a Knoxville Nationals, and he has a well financed team. So, he has that going for him...

I've never understood the hoopla surrounding Kasey Kahne. In fact, I had to reasearch just how many WoO races he's won over the years. Want to guess how many? 



Someone beat me to the big ZERO.  They were talking about it on a broadcast recently.  I know Kraig won the Nationals one year and I took a Victory Lane photo of him up in Brainerd, Minnesota, probably fifteen years ago so I have seen him win a couple as well.  In spite of Kraig's Nationals win he hasn't dominated WoO titles and Nationals like his father before him or Schatz has most recently.  I think it's a fair question for fans to wonder about but he has been carrying a lot of weight on his shoulders the past few years.  All we can do is sit back and see what happens.


Stan Meissner



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