|
|
|
|
|
Topic: How old is old enough?
|
Email this topic to a friend |
Subscribe to this Topic
| Report this Topic to Moderator
|
|
Page 3 of 4 of 69 replies
|
|
|
|
|
February 20, 2015 at
05:37:00 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
10/09/2010
|
|
Posts:
|
404
|
|
|
|
"but I have to admit that he has done alright once he matured and grew up a little". Has to be the understatement in all of motorsports in my long lifetime. Talk about showing your bias? "done alright". Yeah, I'd say he's "done alright".
As far as "how old is old enough". I'd say 60 is plenty old enough to call it a day, maybe even 55. Ya wanna wok when you is 70 or ride around in a store-supplied wheel chair when shopping at Walmart? The disks in your spine between your vertebrae, which act as cushions, don't last forever when bouncing around in these 900 HP rockets on sometimes very rough dirt tracks.
Lawlessness and liberalism equals Hell. NY City,
Detroit, Seattle, Chicago, Minnepolis, etc. We saw it.
Burning hundreds of buildings, a thousand assaults and
dozens of murders. Getting worser and worser.
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
05:03:33 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
01/02/2007
|
|
Posts:
|
5252
|
|
|
|
I may be a little older than Stan but our background with Sprinters and in my case the roadsters in Cali too, are very close to the same. I too think it takes something away the sport when kids are allowed on the track. I've been in the pits looking at some nice piece and asked some kid standing around with his hands in his pockets who'll be in the seat tomorrow night and he said, me! LOL No question that if that kid would have been allowed in that seat not all that long ago, they would have been arrested for child endangerment.
But then again, as a very young kid in Torrance Cali my first hero was Troy Ruttman.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
06:58:47 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
07/15/2014
|
|
Posts:
|
1227
|
|
|
|
Ruttman is still the youngest guy to ever win the Indy 500. He was 22 in 1952.
|
|
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
09:05:58 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
11/07/2006
|
|
Posts:
|
5590
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: BIGFISH on February 21 2015 at 05:03:33 AM
I may be a little older than Stan but our background with Sprinters and in my case the roadsters in Cali too, are very close to the same. I too think it takes something away the sport when kids are allowed on the track. I've been in the pits looking at some nice piece and asked some kid standing around with his hands in his pockets who'll be in the seat tomorrow night and he said, me! LOL No question that if that kid would have been allowed in that seat not all that long ago, they would have been arrested for child endangerment.
But then again, as a very young kid in Torrance Cali my first hero was Troy Ruttman.
|
Never saw the roadsters but my dad used to tell me about them. My first race was around 59 or 60, Supermodifieds on a half mile. My uncle and cousin used to work on a car for a local owner. The driver was Jerry Richert Sr. who is now in the SCHOF. We used to hang around and watch them work on the car during the week. Not a bad way to get introduced to dirt track racing.
Buzz Barton used to winter up here in Minnesota for a couple summers in the early 60's. He was another one of the tough guys from that era and one of my favorite drivers at the time. I was about 12 or 13 at that time and wasn't even allowed in the pits at that age until the races were over. Anyone who remembers how tough those cars and drivers were back in those days can at least relate to why I struggle with the idea of kids driving today. When I was 13 & 14 my heroes weren't my classmates who's folks had money, they were adult Sprint Car drivers. 
Stan Meissner
|
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
09:22:38 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
11/07/2006
|
|
Posts:
|
5590
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: StanM on February 21 2015 at 09:05:58 AM
Never saw the roadsters but my dad used to tell me about them. My first race was around 59 or 60, Supermodifieds on a half mile. My uncle and cousin used to work on a car for a local owner. The driver was Jerry Richert Sr. who is now in the SCHOF. We used to hang around and watch them work on the car during the week. Not a bad way to get introduced to dirt track racing.
Buzz Barton used to winter up here in Minnesota for a couple summers in the early 60's. He was another one of the tough guys from that era and one of my favorite drivers at the time. I was about 12 or 13 at that time and wasn't even allowed in the pits at that age until the races were over. Anyone who remembers how tough those cars and drivers were back in those days can at least relate to why I struggle with the idea of kids driving today. When I was 13 & 14 my heroes weren't my classmates who's folks had money, they were adult Sprint Car drivers.
|
A shop called "Auto Repair Service" was across the street from the Minnesota State Fairgrounds and the traveling races would park their open trailers up and down the street and hang around there. At ten years old I didn't know who the travelers were but some pretty famous names ran there when it was dirt. I know Foyt and Rutherford are a couple who ran the Fair in the early 60's. We lived three blocks from the Fair and that was back in the day when they didn't have to worry about someone snatching a ten year old. We'd spend every day at the Fair, watch the races from a couple of free vantage points we knew about and we hung out at the pay shack outside 1&2 after the races. Often wish I knew who some of those drivers telling us "hey you kids, don't touch those exhaust pipes" were.
I never could have imagined at 13 when real hero drivers were telling me not to touch exhaust pipes that 50 years later I'd be on something called the internet arguing whether 13 year olds should be allowed to drive. No matter what arguement people present to me for kids in real race cars they'll never change my perception about this issue. One other note of interest, went a banquet for one of our local tracks and the keynote speaker was Eddie Sachs. I hung on every word he said and still to this day remember some of the stories he told. The next spring we all know what happened to him at Indy. No, I wasn't watching the 1964 Indy 500 on a big screen HDTV. My dad used to always take the storm windows off and put up the screens while listening to the 500 and I would help. He's listen to the Indy 500 on the radio while doing that annual project.
It's a matter of perception of the sport with me and if these people advocating child drivers can't grasp that there isn't much more I can say about my background as to why I think this way.
Stan Meissner
|
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
09:43:20 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
12/10/2011
|
|
Posts:
|
11
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: StanM on February 21 2015 at 09:22:38 AM
A shop called "Auto Repair Service" was across the street from the Minnesota State Fairgrounds and the traveling races would park their open trailers up and down the street and hang around there. At ten years old I didn't know who the travelers were but some pretty famous names ran there when it was dirt. I know Foyt and Rutherford are a couple who ran the Fair in the early 60's. We lived three blocks from the Fair and that was back in the day when they didn't have to worry about someone snatching a ten year old. We'd spend every day at the Fair, watch the races from a couple of free vantage points we knew about and we hung out at the pay shack outside 1&2 after the races. Often wish I knew who some of those drivers telling us "hey you kids, don't touch those exhaust pipes" were.
I never could have imagined at 13 when real hero drivers were telling me not to touch exhaust pipes that 50 years later I'd be on something called the internet arguing whether 13 year olds should be allowed to drive. No matter what arguement people present to me for kids in real race cars they'll never change my perception about this issue. One other note of interest, went a banquet for one of our local tracks and the keynote speaker was Eddie Sachs. I hung on every word he said and still to this day remember some of the stories he told. The next spring we all know what happened to him at Indy. No, I wasn't watching the 1964 Indy 500 on a big screen HDTV. My dad used to always take the storm windows off and put up the screens while listening to the 500 and I would help. He's listen to the Indy 500 on the radio while doing that annual project.
It's a matter of perception of the sport with me and if these people advocating child drivers can't grasp that there isn't much more I can say about my background as to why I think this way.
|
Winner of the truck race last night was racing super dirt late models at age 13.
Keith Sr
MCINTYRE MOTORSPORTS
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
10:59:08 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
11/07/2006
|
|
Posts:
|
5590
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: mcintyremotorsports on February 21 2015 at 09:43:20 AM
Winner of the truck race last night was racing super dirt late models at age 13.
|
13 year olds could win every major race this season and my response would be "I'm outa here racing, thanks for the memories but you have become a playground for wealthy people's children". I can't wrap my mind around children driving Sprint Cars and never will.
Stan Meissner
|
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
02:57:06 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
09/11/2008
|
|
Posts:
|
84
|
|
|
|
thought i saw where both jacksonville speedway and pevely raceway said you had to be 16 years old to drive because of insurance anybody see this can not find any info on their websites
|
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
04:54:58 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
01/02/2007
|
|
Posts:
|
5252
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: StanM on February 21 2015 at 09:05:58 AM
Never saw the roadsters but my dad used to tell me about them. My first race was around 59 or 60, Supermodifieds on a half mile. My uncle and cousin used to work on a car for a local owner. The driver was Jerry Richert Sr. who is now in the SCHOF. We used to hang around and watch them work on the car during the week. Not a bad way to get introduced to dirt track racing.
Buzz Barton used to winter up here in Minnesota for a couple summers in the early 60's. He was another one of the tough guys from that era and one of my favorite drivers at the time. I was about 12 or 13 at that time and wasn't even allowed in the pits at that age until the races were over. Anyone who remembers how tough those cars and drivers were back in those days can at least relate to why I struggle with the idea of kids driving today. When I was 13 & 14 my heroes weren't my classmates who's folks had money, they were adult Sprint Car drivers.
|
Not one up-manship here, but I don't remember not being at the track growing up in Torrance, and when we moved to Phoenix in 57 (another hot bed of racing) I had the opportunity to watch all the legends run Champ Cars at the fairgrounds and of course Manzy. Back to S Cali in 62 and Ascot was in a era that some say was the best. And so it went adding 3 other states into the mix. All and all Stan, we were damn lucky to have been there when the road to Indy was they way it was and still should be.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
05:25:20 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
02/09/2015
|
|
Posts:
|
13
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: StanM on February 21 2015 at 10:59:08 AM
13 year olds could win every major race this season and my response would be "I'm outa here racing, thanks for the memories but you have become a playground for wealthy people's children". I can't wrap my mind around children driving Sprint Cars and never will.
|
Sorry you feel that way! BYE! You will be missed....or.......!! And FYI I joined the United States Army at 15, all I needed was mom and dad to say ok and I could go to bootcamp.
|
|
|
|
|
February 21, 2015 at
09:57:39 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
12/22/2013
|
|
Posts:
|
100
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: StanM on February 21 2015 at 10:59:08 AM
13 year olds could win every major race this season and my response would be "I'm outa here racing, thanks for the memories but you have become a playground for wealthy people's children". I can't wrap my mind around children driving Sprint Cars and never will.
|
After reading 3 pages on this StanM , why do I get that there is a more deep rooted issue beyound the 13-14-15 years of age ? What I get from your posts is it has more to do with the financial standing of the parents. "Wealthy peoples children, rich kids, "etc. if the parents worked for their money by either working harder or working smarter who is for you or anyone else to tell them how or who to spend it on. I'm not wealthy by a long shot but do not feel the need to put others who are wealthy down. As long as they earned it legally good for them !!!
Another all time jealous remark come from the people who say " he didn't pay his dues" People on this board actually feel as tho someone that has achieved a level of finacial success are not aloud to spend "their" money as they see fit. Nope, can't put a car together for their son or daughter. They should be required by law to walk the pits and chose a low buck racer and put them in their car because they " paid their dues"
Take a look around the pits at your local dirt tracks, here in central pa. 90% of the sprint cars are family owned teams with a son or daughter driving. If all the wealthy parents folded up and left ,sprint car racing would be dead and over. So they next time you want to refer to their parents as wealthy or rich in a derogatory manner stop, take a minute and think about that 90% number and Thank them for fielding a team for our viewing pleasure
Not taking a shot at you personally, there are many on here with a deep rooted jealously of someone that has achieved any level of success. I'm still waiting on my ship to come in ( lol ) but until then if it is good clean competitive racing , I can't tell their age inside that car with their helmet on..
Food for thought....
|
|
|
|
|
February 22, 2015 at
08:23:10 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
11/07/2006
|
|
Posts:
|
5590
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: onehunglow on February 21 2015 at 09:57:39 PM
After reading 3 pages on this StanM , why do I get that there is a more deep rooted issue beyound the 13-14-15 years of age ? What I get from your posts is it has more to do with the financial standing of the parents. "Wealthy peoples children, rich kids, "etc. if the parents worked for their money by either working harder or working smarter who is for you or anyone else to tell them how or who to spend it on. I'm not wealthy by a long shot but do not feel the need to put others who are wealthy down. As long as they earned it legally good for them !!!
Another all time jealous remark come from the people who say " he didn't pay his dues" People on this board actually feel as tho someone that has achieved a level of finacial success are not aloud to spend "their" money as they see fit. Nope, can't put a car together for their son or daughter. They should be required by law to walk the pits and chose a low buck racer and put them in their car because they " paid their dues"
Take a look around the pits at your local dirt tracks, here in central pa. 90% of the sprint cars are family owned teams with a son or daughter driving. If all the wealthy parents folded up and left ,sprint car racing would be dead and over. So they next time you want to refer to their parents as wealthy or rich in a derogatory manner stop, take a minute and think about that 90% number and Thank them for fielding a team for our viewing pleasure
Not taking a shot at you personally, there are many on here with a deep rooted jealously of someone that has achieved any level of success. I'm still waiting on my ship to come in ( lol ) but until then if it is good clean competitive racing , I can't tell their age inside that car with their helmet on..
Food for thought....
|
Look, the furthest thing from my mind is jealousy of the parents financial status and if you think that's an issue with me you have totally overlooked the my main points. I'm not wealthy by any means but I make a good living and only have a couple years until a comfortable retirement. The only thing they might have that I'll never achieve is the means to own a race car. Owning a race car is one of the last things I'd ever want to get involved in even if I had the means to do so. If I had the means there are a few drivers I'd want to help out but I'd do it on the downlow and not to get my name on a car.
Basically my references to wealthy parents putting their kids in Sprint Cars come down to a couple things. First off, I can't think of any car owners I know personally looking for 13 & 14 year old drivers to put in their cars. Actually if a kid that age is going to drive a Sprint Car there's a 99.999999% chance that the owners are going to have to be their parents becauce nobody is going to hire them as a driver. So then the question becomes has this influx of (we won't say wealthy this time) parents fielding cars for their offspring influenced the rules to allow this change to the sport that allows young drivers? I think the obvious answer is yes, it has been due to their influence that we're now seeing the youngsters driving. So from that standpoint, that the sport is changing into something unrecognizable to someone who came of age in the 60's, money reshaping this sport in this way bothers me.
Just to make it clear the main reasons I take issue with the young drivers are liability in the case of a serious accident and the perception of the sport that child drivers makes. I don't think I could have spelled out much more about my background and it's obvious that we don't share that same perspective. Not everyone is going to agree with me, I'm OK with that, but this sport can't afford to be chasing life long fans who have been taking kids and now grandkids to the races quite possibly longer than many reading this have been alive.
When people advocate they youngsters driving what it does for me is makes me question their vision for the future of the sport and their respect for volatility these cars. That doesn't have anything to do with their bank account. I don't think that can be defined as jealousy, it's more of a disgust with how they're using a sport I have been passionate about for over 50 years as their personal playground.
Stan Meissner
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
February 22, 2015 at
01:21:41 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
02/09/2015
|
|
Posts:
|
13
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: StanM on February 22 2015 at 08:23:10 AM
Look, the furthest thing from my mind is jealousy of the parents financial status and if you think that's an issue with me you have totally overlooked the my main points. I'm not wealthy by any means but I make a good living and only have a couple years until a comfortable retirement. The only thing they might have that I'll never achieve is the means to own a race car. Owning a race car is one of the last things I'd ever want to get involved in even if I had the means to do so. If I had the means there are a few drivers I'd want to help out but I'd do it on the downlow and not to get my name on a car.
Basically my references to wealthy parents putting their kids in Sprint Cars come down to a couple things. First off, I can't think of any car owners I know personally looking for 13 & 14 year old drivers to put in their cars. Actually if a kid that age is going to drive a Sprint Car there's a 99.999999% chance that the owners are going to have to be their parents becauce nobody is going to hire them as a driver. So then the question becomes has this influx of (we won't say wealthy this time) parents fielding cars for their offspring influenced the rules to allow this change to the sport that allows young drivers? I think the obvious answer is yes, it has been due to their influence that we're now seeing the youngsters driving. So from that standpoint, that the sport is changing into something unrecognizable to someone who came of age in the 60's, money reshaping this sport in this way bothers me.
Just to make it clear the main reasons I take issue with the young drivers are liability in the case of a serious accident and the perception of the sport that child drivers makes. I don't think I could have spelled out much more about my background and it's obvious that we don't share that same perspective. Not everyone is going to agree with me, I'm OK with that, but this sport can't afford to be chasing life long fans who have been taking kids and now grandkids to the races quite possibly longer than many reading this have been alive.
When people advocate they youngsters driving what it does for me is makes me question their vision for the future of the sport and their respect for volatility these cars. That doesn't have anything to do with their bank account. I don't think that can be defined as jealousy, it's more of a disgust with how they're using a sport I have been passionate about for over 50 years as their personal playground.
|
You are welcome to your opinion and obviosly this frost's your ass for some reason! Sounds like jealousy to me but I digress.
I would much rather see the younger generation take an interest in a great sport than a grumpy digruntled longtime fan. Do you think the new fans are going to go to the track because dad or grampa said Steve or Sammy are awesome or because that kid from their school is racing? No need to reply I've whipped this horse enough and it hasn't blinked  good day
|
|
|
|
|
February 22, 2015 at
06:50:22 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
12/22/2013
|
|
Posts:
|
100
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: StanM on February 22 2015 at 08:23:10 AM
Look, the furthest thing from my mind is jealousy of the parents financial status and if you think that's an issue with me you have totally overlooked the my main points. I'm not wealthy by any means but I make a good living and only have a couple years until a comfortable retirement. The only thing they might have that I'll never achieve is the means to own a race car. Owning a race car is one of the last things I'd ever want to get involved in even if I had the means to do so. If I had the means there are a few drivers I'd want to help out but I'd do it on the downlow and not to get my name on a car.
Basically my references to wealthy parents putting their kids in Sprint Cars come down to a couple things. First off, I can't think of any car owners I know personally looking for 13 & 14 year old drivers to put in their cars. Actually if a kid that age is going to drive a Sprint Car there's a 99.999999% chance that the owners are going to have to be their parents becauce nobody is going to hire them as a driver. So then the question becomes has this influx of (we won't say wealthy this time) parents fielding cars for their offspring influenced the rules to allow this change to the sport that allows young drivers? I think the obvious answer is yes, it has been due to their influence that we're now seeing the youngsters driving. So from that standpoint, that the sport is changing into something unrecognizable to someone who came of age in the 60's, money reshaping this sport in this way bothers me.
Just to make it clear the main reasons I take issue with the young drivers are liability in the case of a serious accident and the perception of the sport that child drivers makes. I don't think I could have spelled out much more about my background and it's obvious that we don't share that same perspective. Not everyone is going to agree with me, I'm OK with that, but this sport can't afford to be chasing life long fans who have been taking kids and now grandkids to the races quite possibly longer than many reading this have been alive.
When people advocate they youngsters driving what it does for me is makes me question their vision for the future of the sport and their respect for volatility these cars. That doesn't have anything to do with their bank account. I don't think that can be defined as jealousy, it's more of a disgust with how they're using a sport I have been passionate about for over 50 years as their personal playground.
|
I do get your point, I see where your coming from. I guess my point is ( just like the drug testing thread ) I don't see a problem to solve yet. The day 1/2 the cars in the feature are 12 years old I'll probably take your side on this. I too don't want to watch that many race. But the occasional 1 a year around hear in central pa. Is actually refreshing. Last year I believe ( I may be wrong so someone correct me if so ) there were two young drivers, 14 year old Wyatt Hinkle who won a race at Trailways and 15 year old Matt Campbell who won 5 or 6 races at The Grove, Lincoln and Trailways and was ROTY at both the Grove and Lincoln. Both those young drivers are very talented. I think the Lincoln speedway 358 champion ( basically our 360 class )was Chase Deitz at 16. I can honesty say I don't remember seeing a young driver start in sprints and say " wow, that kid is a danger. What is the parents and track owners thinking" They all seem to have a common theme.....started racing at 5-6 years old, did the whole kart scene, moved thru the numerous micro divisions then to the big cars all are regarded very highly from what I hear around me in the stands. Maybe it's a problem in your area of the country but not in PA. That I can see.
To the injury part. That is for them and their parents to decide and theirs only. Because if little Johnny gets hurt, paralysis or worse the parents will have to live the rest of their lives with that. Me....I'll go home tell my wife and coworkers about the tragedy and probably in a couple weeks old news and forgotten about. Now if I called the parents and convinced them to put their son in a sprint car because I saw him wheel a go-cart and thought he was the "real deal" I would struggle with that the rest of my life. God give that kid to them it's their decision... Period
|
|
|
|
|
February 23, 2015 at
09:26:12 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
07/02/2013
|
|
Posts:
|
92
|
|
|
|
Not saying I disagree with you, but to play the devils advocate.... it is not the parents decsion to put their 13 year old in a sprint car. Here is the legal definition of Parental Negligience. At 13, if a child is killed in a sprint car, the parents, series, track and owners could be subject to what you see below. Wrong or right, it would be terrible for the sport on every level. You can argue this fact, no matter how you feel personally, below is fact.
Parental Neglect
It refers to the act of the parent (step parents, natural parents or anyone who has been serving as parents/guardian to the child) which is criminal or negligent/ommission in nature. The parental negligence can of be of types like failure to provide proper nutrition by the way of food, not giving proper attention towards education, upbringing, medicals, basic amneties. It also includes the situations where the child has been placed in a danger or exposed to abuse or violence.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
February 23, 2015 at
04:19:10 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
02/09/2015
|
|
Posts:
|
13
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: heinen81 on February 23 2015 at 09:26:12 AM
Not saying I disagree with you, but to play the devils advocate.... it is not the parents decsion to put their 13 year old in a sprint car. Here is the legal definition of Parental Negligience. At 13, if a child is killed in a sprint car, the parents, series, track and owners could be subject to what you see below. Wrong or right, it would be terrible for the sport on every level. You can argue this fact, no matter how you feel personally, below is fact.
Parental Neglect
It refers to the act of the parent (step parents, natural parents or anyone who has been serving as parents/guardian to the child) which is criminal or negligent/ommission in nature. The parental negligence can of be of types like failure to provide proper nutrition by the way of food, not giving proper attention towards education, upbringing, medicals, basic amneties. It also includes the situations where the child has been placed in a danger or exposed to abuse or violence.
|
I had an appointment with my attorney today on a business matter and I ran this by him. His response was that not even a leach would touch that becaus to be neglegent there would have to be some intent or otherwise complete contempt of the safety rules,like no helmet or firesuit or "knowing" that the car was unfit for competition.
I guess you could find a different meaning like you are trying to pass off but it wouldn't make it very far.
You Posted your facts before that didn't amount to a pinch of shit but i am the one that took too many hits to the head?! bicycles are so much more dangerous (statistically) than racing or football but that is all a moot Point to some
|
|
|
|
February 23, 2015 at
04:46:35 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
12/05/2010
|
|
Posts:
|
840
|
|
|
This message was edited on
February 23, 2015 at
04:56:46 PM by Sprinter 79
(In 2012 he hit a wall at another Florida track. He died four days later. He was 12 years old. Yes that is correct, he was 12 years old. At that age I was still learning to ride my bicycle. What was the big hurry to get Tyler and Niokoa into racing full size cars? Did the children want to do it or was it parents or a parent pushing. Kids often do things to satisfy their parents.)
(This comment by Bones really hit home. “There’s nothing honorable, poetic, or heroic about kids dying before they’re old enough to understand honor, poetics, or heroism. It is stupid, and only stupid.” I actually wanted to push the chair back from my desk and give Bones a standing ovation.)
(To tell you the truth I am surprised that some do-gooder politician has not jumped on the band- wagon to have the government put restrictions, age limits, on those wanting to be a racer of the big cars.)
Area Auto Racing News
http://aarn.com/?p=43
Here is the Sports Illustrated article that is referenced in the AARN article:
http://www.si.com/longform/dirt-racing/index.html
Never hit stationary objects!
|
|
|
|
|
February 23, 2015 at
05:07:44 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
10/26/2014
|
|
Posts:
|
2490
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: notyours on February 23 2015 at 04:19:10 PM
I had an appointment with my attorney today on a business matter and I ran this by him. His response was that not even a leach would touch that becaus to be neglegent there would have to be some intent or otherwise complete contempt of the safety rules,like no helmet or firesuit or "knowing" that the car was unfit for competition.
I guess you could find a different meaning like you are trying to pass off but it wouldn't make it very far.
You Posted your facts before that didn't amount to a pinch of shit but i am the one that took too many hits to the head?! bicycles are so much more dangerous (statistically) than racing or football but that is all a moot Point to some
|
I don't think it really matters what a lawyer says, what ever happened to common sense and the simple concept of right and wrong? Its wrong to willingly finance and allow for a CHILD to make a decision to risk their life when they don't even have the slightest understanding what life is let alone understanding the nature of their own mortality. Its just wrong. I don't care what the law says or the rulebook for this series or that series, it should be common sense for the parents who make these decisions to allow their CHILDREN to participate in and adult sport that just happens to be one of the most dangerous on earth. I'm sorry but these so called parents should have their heads examined. When I was 14 and someone asked me if I'd drive a sprint car, my answer was an abrupt “HELL YES" and I meant it. As an adult, my answer is “HELL NO" because I have a better understanding of what it takes to be a sprint car driver and I don't have it so I'll enjoy watching those who do. The fact is, I was rather mature for age but at 14, I still didn't know shit about shit and neither does any other 14 year old and that's where the parents are supposed to come in. Its up to them to steer and guide their kids through adolescence and into adulthood with their knowledge and experience that comes with being an adult and to any parent who thinks their kid is mature enough to make an educated decision to possibly be killed or permanently injured in a sprint car is delirious. Once again, I know there have been very young kids who jumped into sprint cars and have done very well, no doubt about that but where the problem will occur, is when things go wrong and I don't like the potential issues it could cause for our sport, when a child is killed in an accident. Look at the bad publicity sprint car racing got when adults were killed. I'm not interested in that one bit.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
February 23, 2015 at
05:16:14 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
12/05/2010
|
|
Posts:
|
840
|
|
|
|
Ours is not the only class of cars that are dealing with these issues either. Here is another blog, this one about modified racing and an 8 year old who is competing. It is upsetting some of the competitors it appears. These are much older posts, but they are relavent. Check them out here:
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=1281951
Adults today have lost their damn fool minds when it comes to children.
I don't suspect that anyone will actually read any of the posts in these links, but all I can do is offer the information.
Never hit stationary objects!
|
|
|
|
|
February 23, 2015 at
05:19:33 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
12/05/2010
|
|
Posts:
|
840
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: fiXXXer on February 23 2015 at 05:07:44 PM
I don't think it really matters what a lawyer says, what ever happened to common sense and the simple concept of right and wrong? Its wrong to willingly finance and allow for a CHILD to make a decision to risk their life when they don't even have the slightest understanding what life is let alone understanding the nature of their own mortality. Its just wrong. I don't care what the law says or the rulebook for this series or that series, it should be common sense for the parents who make these decisions to allow their CHILDREN to participate in and adult sport that just happens to be one of the most dangerous on earth. I'm sorry but these so called parents should have their heads examined. When I was 14 and someone asked me if I'd drive a sprint car, my answer was an abrupt “HELL YES" and I meant it. As an adult, my answer is “HELL NO" because I have a better understanding of what it takes to be a sprint car driver and I don't have it so I'll enjoy watching those who do. The fact is, I was rather mature for age but at 14, I still didn't know shit about shit and neither does any other 14 year old and that's where the parents are supposed to come in. Its up to them to steer and guide their kids through adolescence and into adulthood with their knowledge and experience that comes with being an adult and to any parent who thinks their kid is mature enough to make an educated decision to possibly be killed or permanently injured in a sprint car is delirious. Once again, I know there have been very young kids who jumped into sprint cars and have done very well, no doubt about that but where the problem will occur, is when things go wrong and I don't like the potential issues it could cause for our sport, when a child is killed in an accident. Look at the bad publicity sprint car racing got when adults were killed. I'm not interested in that one bit.
|
Agree completely. Very well stated.
+1
Never hit stationary objects!
|
|
|
