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August 14, 2014 at
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Posted By: LLLosingit on August 14 2014 at 07:28:35 PM
You guys that swear Ward was trying to grab the wing better go back and watch again and think about this. Tony's car was most likely traveling at 30-40mph. In the video Ward is seen standing 10-15ft to the right side of his car and then Tony's car comes into the video and Ward is out of sight for a couple seconds and then can be seen in the video as Tony's car is 10-20ft to the left of Wards car. It's at that point that someone highlighted it with a big red arrow saying it's at that point that ward in trying to grab the wing. What the hell do they think Ward was doing for the first 20-30 feet running beside the car? Most likely there was already considerable impact and anything that was happening at that point would not have been intentional. I'm not defending Tony or Ward with this observation just trying to understand why so many people can see a video (in slow motion even) and still be so far off.
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with all due respect you might want to heed your own words about people watching a slow mo vid and not understanding what they see. by all means you are free to your views and we are all trying to understand things. so no ofense intended..seriously.
i said in another thread ward may have just grabbed on the wing as an attempt to save himself as he found himself in a situation he could not cleanly escape. not saying he was tring to jump on the car for any other reason other than it might have been his only shot to try to keep from being run over. we all know the car was moving at a speed that made it all but impossible for ward to succeed....but in desperation that might have been his only hope.
the car clearly squats to the right. you would think an impact from the right side would rock the car to the left on the suspension if anything, but not to the right. the top wing rocks to the right and the right side panel seems to get pulled towards the ground. to top it off it clearly seems as if ward is hanging on the right side panel trying to get his footing somehow and loses his grip and falls. ward doesn't seem to be standing 10-15 ft off to the side of tony's car as it gets to him. if anything it looks like ward barely avoids the right front tire. heck he might have got clipped by the right front and just grabbed at the wing to keep from going down. he might have lost his footing and grabbed at the wing as it does appear ward grabbed the wing and just could not hold on.
when you watch a similar vid in real time you can tell how nearly impossible it would be to hang on to the side of the wing, and of course ward doesn't succeed.
i just wish we we had something that showed tony's car a little sooner so we could try to see what happened to trigger tony's car to skew and begin to drift. i would hope tony is trying to miss ward because i just can't believe anyone no matter who they are would mess around when someone is so close to the car.
we see drivers roost people standing at the top of the track in wheel packs but i would care to think no driver, no matter what would try to toy or intimidate someone in this situation.
to indy and beyond!!
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August 14, 2014 at
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Posted By: Sjhoser on August 14 2014 at 10:56:31 PM
LLLosingit, you have not seen the same video or at the same speed! The video that I saw this morning has been removed from the internet, it clearly shows with arrows, Kevin Jumping on the nerf bar and riding for a moment before falling off. The blunt force injury to Kevin probably occurred when he hit the ground.
the BS on this subject is understandable from the first video...I'm not going to comment any more, the video will resurface and Tony will be fine. It was a horrible accident, but Kevin made a few bad decisions and Tony Stewart shouldn't have to pay the price!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvhrPu64Co&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1XvhrPu64Co&has_verified=1
this one shows pretty much everything the other one did but without the arrows.
sure looks like wards grabbed the top wing, for whatever reason.
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August 15, 2014 at
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on August 14 2014 at 11:11:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvhrPu64Co&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1XvhrPu64Co&has_verified=1
this one shows pretty much everything the other one did but without the arrows.
sure looks like wards grabbed the top wing, for whatever reason.
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Buzz, you and I seem to see this tragedy the same way, albeit on or from the blurry video. Not that it matters in the big scheme of things tho. I have watched it many many times, just trying to reconsile it in my mind, and that is the conclusion I have come up with. Until I see video refuting my opinion, that is what I think happened. JMO
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August 15, 2014 at
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Posted By: maddog53 on August 15 2014 at 06:29:40 AM
Buzz, you and I seem to see this tragedy the same way, albeit on or from the blurry video. Not that it matters in the big scheme of things tho. I have watched it many many times, just trying to reconsile it in my mind, and that is the conclusion I have come up with. Until I see video refuting my opinion, that is what I think happened. JMO
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i have had a few different opinions of what might have happened and they have evloved based on what i have seen i vids.
this slow mo vid seems to give a strong indication of what happened to ward but to me it doesn't give us enough to understand what transpiered to put him in that situation. meaning i don't see enough to be able to understand what tony's actions were.
as i have said before i don't buy into the idea anyone would screw around with someone standing so close to them on the track. i find it hard to believe that a persons first instinct upon seeing someone on the track walking towards them would be to toy with them or try to roost them. i would think their first instinct would be an evasive one. especially if they don't have a definate reason to believe they have done anything to that person.
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August 15, 2014 at
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Yes...and nothing looks like the car was kicked out of gear and on the binders in what I saw.
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August 15, 2014 at
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Posted By: BigRightRear on August 15 2014 at 11:00:05 AM
Yes...and nothing looks like the car was kicked out of gear and on the binders in what I saw.
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i doubt knocking the car out of gear would not be a first reaction. besides they don't come out of gear so easy sometines. also i doubt there was enough time to attempt that. just an opinion. since we don't get a chance to see tony's car until right before the impact with ward, we don't know what actions he took. the car did look a little skewed as it came into frame. it may be possible tony did hit the brakes and that is what skewed the car. i have not seen anything that would give me insight one way or the other to what tony's action were or what the car did prior to it coming into frame and already on the path it was. the event was already set in motion by the time we see tony's car come into frame.
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August 15, 2014 at
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on August 15 2014 at 11:16:57 AM
i doubt knocking the car out of gear would not be a first reaction. besides they don't come out of gear so easy sometines. also i doubt there was enough time to attempt that. just an opinion. since we don't get a chance to see tony's car until right before the impact with ward, we don't know what actions he took. the car did look a little skewed as it came into frame. it may be possible tony did hit the brakes and that is what skewed the car. i have not seen anything that would give me insight one way or the other to what tony's action were or what the car did prior to it coming into frame and already on the path it was. the event was already set in motion by the time we see tony's car come into frame.
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i doubt knocking the car out of gear would be a first reaction is what i meant to say.
i hate typos
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