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December 19, 2011 at
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Posted By: jahmo55 on December 19 2011 at 05:36:15 PM
Mark, I only have one question........WHY CAN'T YOU MAKE YOUR CARS HERE??????
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We do build some (custom built) XXX chassis in WA state. We have a great fabrication team and R&D staff on site. These chassis are readily available for those that want something different/custom, but are more expensive than our off the shelf production chassis.
Probably not known; all XXX CNC product is currently run on our CNC (in house in WA state).
TripleX was started 6 years ago when I was a weekend warrior racing Sprint Cars. For 10 years previous to that, I experienced first-hand the escalating costs of racing (footing my own bills), and witnessed the barrier to entry that those costs presented in growing the sport. In fact, the cost was reducing car counts. We decided to do something about it, and looked for an alternative to over priced racing parts. After a lot of research, we concluded the best way to offer high quality parts at a lower cost was to source them offshore. We source parts based on quality (first), and price point (second). If we cannot find the quality we insist upon at a price point that lowers the cost for our customers, then we build it in the US (CNC product is an example of this).
So short answer to your question is ... We can and do build cars in the US. But, there is little benefit for the racer over all the other manufacturers. The off the shelf production chassis provides racers an option to save a lot of money, and still race a chassis that is as fast and as high quality (safe) as anyone in the industry.
It's important to note. All our pro and marquee race teams race off the shelf production chassis (including Brady Bacon, Haud, Montieth, Esh, Ballou, Rilat, Curt Michael, etc). That is company policy. We do not want to miss-lead our customers by having them race the more expensive custom built chassis. They race the exact same chassis that you can purchase off the shelf.
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December 19, 2011 at
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December 19, 2011 at
07:10:05 PM by buzz rightrear
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Posted By: shrek2259 on December 19 2011 at 03:03:13 PM
can u imagine what would happen if China decided to collect on the dept that George Bush ran up with them -------hell thy would own us
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do you even want to go there?
i am not going to dispute or try to justify any debt that GW ran up, it is what it is.
i am only going to ask since obama has run up just as much debt in half the time, and you are so concerned about debt, why are you singling out GW, when it seems obama has ran up more debt?
now i am not saying i am happy with either of them running up any debt. i just ask why you turn your eye from obama if the amount of debt created is your concern?
to indy and beyond!!
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December 19, 2011 at
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My thought it just depends on how you hit. most are save as save as you would be in racing. Chassis have came a long way. Hopefully the video will help get a safer car out there. I have heard things about triple x but Jac runs one and he's been upside down a few times I run a maxim i feel save in it and wont run anything else but that just my gut feeling..
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December 19, 2011 at
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December 19, 2011 at
08:35:37 PM by herman327
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Posted By: [email protected] on December 19 2011 at 12:29:12 PM
I'm one of the owners of XXX. Normally, I don't comment on these threads, given they are mostly a discussion of people's personal buying choices. It’s never been our company’s goal to change anybody’s philosophies on world economics or influence their buying decisions. Rather, we provided a transparency into our company that was (and is still) unheard of in the industry, and let an informed racer make their own decision.
That said, it has always been a goal of XXX to build the fastest and safest chassis in the industry.
To achieve this goal, we closely partner with a production facility that is ISO9001 certified. This is a world recognized certification. We have employees of TripleX onsite full time, and make frequent visits to ensure the quality of the product produced is among the very best in the industry.
But, it does not stop there. We specify the tubing in the chassis ourselves, and have it milled specifically for us (which is one of the reasons our chassis bend, as opposed to break during wrecks). Not simply relying on mill certs, we take samples from each production tubing run, and have it independently tested at certified test facilities in the US. The results of which we post to our website for the industry to view … http://www.xxxraceco.com/chassis%20metal%20test%20results.htm
Every aspect of manufacturing process is designed by experts in the open wheel racing industry (some of which work full time at XXX) to ensure it meets our high quality bar. And, we inspect and test parts in our WA manufacturing facility to ensure that quality bar is met.
Most importantly, we solicit feedback from race teams that use our products to ensure they are satisfied. If they report issues, we address them immediately.
I’m sure there are lots of people on this forum that will dispute all this citing irrelevant examples of poor offshore production, etc. So to them, I simply will provide one last undisputable fact …
We started producing XXX chassis in 2006. Since, XXX chassis have won 811 feature wins, compiling 93 championships. http://www.xxxraceco.com/chassis%20chassis%20results.htm. Could an inferior product really last 6 years in the industry, and continue to rack up wins and championships faster than any other chassis?
Feel free to ask me questions on this thread, or directly at [email protected]
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Mark, Thanks for getting on here and explaining your point of view when you didn't have to. What you are doing is smart business! Businesses stay open and thrive by watching the bottom line and maximising their profits.
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on December 19 2011 at 07:01:20 PM
do you even want to go there?
i am not going to dispute or try to justify any debt that GW ran up, it is what it is.
i am only going to ask since obama has run up just as much debt in half the time, and you are so concerned about debt, why are you singling out GW, when it seems obama has ran up more debt?
now i am not saying i am happy with either of them running up any debt. i just ask why you turn your eye from obama if the amount of debt created is your concern?
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first there is way more reason to dislike Bush than just the dept WAY WAY more second i am ashamed that i voted for Obama for more reason than just the dept and on more than one occasion i have been called a racist over it and did not want to go there here and i have decided i will no longer be voting for anyone as i now realise that the president of the United States is nothing more than a spokes Pearson and if this sounds biter IT IS ------ xxx builds a great product we build things here and send to China and China builds things to send to the US company's outsource from the US to the world and the world outsources to the US as it should be this is no longer 1945 and people should join us in 2011if thy don't we will never be able to stop sending our children off to die
Robert Bond San Jose Ca
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Posted By: shrek2259 on December 19 2011 at 08:44:19 PM
first there is way more reason to dislike Bush than just the dept WAY WAY more second i am ashamed that i voted for Obama for more reason than just the dept and on more than one occasion i have been called a racist over it and did not want to go there here and i have decided i will no longer be voting for anyone as i now realise that the president of the United States is nothing more than a spokes Pearson and if this sounds biter IT IS ------ xxx builds a great product we build things here and send to China and China builds things to send to the US company's outsource from the US to the world and the world outsources to the US as it should be this is no longer 1945 and people should join us in 2011if thy don't we will never be able to stop sending our children off to die
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robert, i am sure you have your reasons for not liking GW. that is of no concern to me.
i only responded because of your statement of what would happen if china decided to call in the debt run up by GW. i guess i have to ask what would happen if china decided to call in the debt run up by obama because if he keeps going like he has he will double the debt run up by GW. i say that not to pass judgment, just to point out what is reality.
i guess what i am saying is it is not really fair to single out one over the other in that matter.
as you said, you can find many reasons to not like GW. so why pick on him and single him out for something that his successor has been twice as guilty of? it was a cheep shot just to voice your view of GW.
i will agree with you in wondering what would happen if china decided to call in the debt run up by our past two presidents.
the thing is, i doubt they will call in anything.
first off, we buy too much stuff from them and our ability to pay them back is still assured.
second and more important is we owe them too much money for them to go and piss us off! LOL.
to indy and beyond!!
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December 19, 2011 at
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Getting back to the original post, before the detour on to the blame game. I agree Wolfgang builds a great car. Have a couple myself. Dave Stevenson in Holstein, Iowa also is in his league.
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December 20, 2011 at
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Posted By: Fuelstick on December 16 2011 at 09:20:17 PM
The safest car is XXX with their HIGH QUALITY Chinese Chromoly! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha NOT!!!!
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Well Fuelstick you are a JA! As a car owner for over 20 years we switched to Triple X from J&J because the we found the J&J just doesn't respond well with the goodyear tires. They are known as "tight" race cars and the goodyears just make them more tight. Anyway, we had an opportunity to try the Triple X and our entire team loved them. J&J is known as one of the best welded cars around and Triple X will stand tough right beside them. We have seen so many Maxims with horrible horrible welds and have had teams tell us they took delivery of Maxims that they had to sit aside and not use because they could see how bad the welds were.
You can sit at your keyboard and complain all you want about Chinese steel, etc. Just know this --- there are parts manufacturers who are advertising and labeling their parts as "USA Made" and "Made with US Material" and they are NOT! After talking to employees of these companies and in one instance touring their facility, all their metal was imported. Stick a fork in your BS statements because that is all they are!
Given the above, Everyone has their own opinions as to what is best. It's what you are the most comfortable with for yours adn your team's comfort. Do your research, look them over, try them out if you can, talk to your Driver - what is his comfort level (he talks to all those that know - other drivers!), talk to your crew and what is the safest that your team can afford.
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December 20, 2011 at
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Ref: Dusty Devil,you are very correct,the proof being,where did all these sprint car parts dealers come from,a few years back there were about a dozen reputable ones,now they are everywhere,they can mark these parts with anything but they got their inventory for about two thirds less than what truly American made would cost,but that doesn't mean its a bad part,I have put foreign made tools,wrenches,into a 200 ton press to try and destruct them,they actually held up just as good as the C-- ----man wrench I tested before the foreign one,I was amazed at the strength it took to even bend it,I have witnessed the Maxims vs. the XXX and the XXX just flat hooked up with the Goodyears and the Maxim was still spinning his wheels,I asked both guys what gear and they both had the same gear.So......there is something to be said for the xxx.
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on December 19 2011 at 10:00:11 PM
robert, i am sure you have your reasons for not liking GW. that is of no concern to me.
i only responded because of your statement of what would happen if china decided to call in the debt run up by GW. i guess i have to ask what would happen if china decided to call in the debt run up by obama because if he keeps going like he has he will double the debt run up by GW. i say that not to pass judgment, just to point out what is reality.
i guess what i am saying is it is not really fair to single out one over the other in that matter.
as you said, you can find many reasons to not like GW. so why pick on him and single him out for something that his successor has been twice as guilty of? it was a cheep shot just to voice your view of GW.
i will agree with you in wondering what would happen if china decided to call in the debt run up by our past two presidents.
the thing is, i doubt they will call in anything.
first off, we buy too much stuff from them and our ability to pay them back is still assured.
second and more important is we owe them too much money for them to go and piss us off! LOL.
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any way Buzz lets introduce our selfs when Ocean fires up (God wiling) we have known each other too long to not know each other lol it's actually amazing that we have spent our whole lives at the same tracks and we don't know each other
Robert Bond San Jose Ca
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December 20, 2011 at
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Posted By: shrek2259 on December 20 2011 at 11:26:02 AM
any way Buzz lets introduce our selfs when Ocean fires up (God wiling) we have known each other too long to not know each other lol it's actually amazing that we have spent our whole lives at the same tracks and we don't know each other
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robert, i'm not hard to find. how brave are you anyway? lol.
to indy and beyond!!
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It's a relatively simple question.
Why do American chassis builders go to all the trouble to pay twice as much for American or German chromoly tubing?
Chinese chromoly tubing costs HALF as much and is MUCH more readily available here in the States.
There are only two plausible answers... Everyone from Maxim to Wolfgang doesn't know what the f' they are talking about... or TripleJunk is lying through their teeth about the quality of the tubing in their race cars.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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December 20, 2011 at
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December 20, 2011 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on December 20 2011 at 03:49:17 PM
It's a relatively simple question.
Why do American chassis builders go to all the trouble to pay twice as much for American or German chromoly tubing?
Chinese chromoly tubing costs HALF as much and is MUCH more readily available here in the States.
There are only two plausible answers... Everyone from Maxim to Wolfgang doesn't know what the f' they are talking about... or TripleJunk is lying through their teeth about the quality of the tubing in their race cars.
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I think I have a solution for you.
Since I believe you are from PA, I can arrange a meeting for you with Montieth's car owner. You can pick any tube from any of his chassis to be cut out and sent to the testing facility of your choice for testing. TripleX will pay for the delivery of the tube, plus the metal test.
I will have the results sent to you directly from the metal testing facility.
If the chassis tube does not meet the specifications of ASTM E8/E8M-08 (for chemical analysis) and AMS-T-6736B (for tensile strength) for condition N 4130 alloy steel, then you can publish the results. And finally free yourself of the burden of being the champion of informing the racing community of our metal test "lies".
If it does meet the above specifications, then you owe $1,750 for the chassis.
Seems like a very safe proposition from your point of view, given everyone from "Maxim to Wolfgang" must be right, and we must be wrong.
Please contact me at [email protected] to coordinate. Or simply reply to this thread.
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Posted By: [email protected] on December 20 2011 at 04:39:43 PM
I think I have a solution for you.
Since I believe you are from PA, I can arrange a meeting for you with Montieth's car owner. You can pick any tube from any of his chassis to be cut out and sent to the testing facility of your choice for testing. TripleX will pay for the delivery of the tube, plus the metal test.
I will have the results sent to you directly from the metal testing facility.
If the chassis tube does not meet the specifications of ASTM E8/E8M-08 (for chemical analysis) and AMS-T-6736B (for tensile strength) for condition N 4130 alloy steel, then you can publish the results. And finally free yourself of the burden of being the champion of informing the racing community of our metal test "lies".
If it does meet the above specifications, then you owe $1,750 for the chassis.
Seems like a very safe proposition from your point of view, given everyone from "Maxim to Wolfgang" must be right, and we must be wrong.
Please contact me at [email protected] to coordinate. Or simply reply to this thread.
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i am going to say cubic dollars can't afford to put his money where his cubic mouth is.
to indy and beyond!!
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December 20, 2011 at
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I believe that is called put up or shut up!
Rome wasn't built in a day......but they sure didn't
waste any time burning it down!
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Guess I can't post here.
Sprints rule
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XXX haters chance of a lifetime and they all puss out. That says it all.
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This is hilarious. Will any of the trolls pony up some cash? I don't have an opinion on this subject but I do know a small amount about MTR's and they are not something you can easily fake. It doesn't just say pass or fail.
Put up or shut up...
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Like my dad always used to say "He (cubic) is just like a baby bird, all mouth and asshole!!! We are all waiting to hear the excuse why you can't do it.
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December 20, 2011 at
08:51:37 PM by cubicdollars
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I think I have a solution for you.
Since I believe you are from PA, I can arrange a meeting for you with Montieth's car owner. You can pick any tube from any of his chassis to be cut out and sent to the testing facility of your choice for testing. TripleX will pay for the delivery of the tube, plus the metal test.
I will have the results sent to you directly from the metal testing facility.
If the chassis tube does not meet the specifications of ASTM E8/E8M-08 (for chemical analysis) and AMS-T-6736B (for tensile strength) for condition N 4130 alloy steel, then you can publish the results. And finally free yourself of the burden of being the champion of informing the racing community of our metal test "lies".
If it does meet the above specifications, then you owe $1,750 for the chassis.
Seems like a very safe proposition from your point of view, given everyone from "Maxim to Wolfgang" must be right, and we must be wrong.
Please contact me at [email protected] to coordinate. Or simply reply to this thread.
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Spin it however you want. Triplejunk is nothing special. Any American chassis builder can produce a chassis for under $2000 if they use chinese tubing. Most have tried, yet none of them do. Most people aren't buying your BS, which is why you have to give your cars away. Be careful what you wish for. When china tubing does finally get good enough a Maxim or J&J will use it...you'll be out of business within a year. You need it to stay junk, so no one else will use it.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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