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McCarlfan, you bash non-winged racing, yet the driver who's screen name you use puts on one hell of a show every year. Ever been to Osky for Terry's race? I'm guessing he would disagree on non-winged cars being boring. One night stand for 30 grand-you don't think guys are getting after it?

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Wow, read more than just the first post please.

There's only 1 car ya gotta watch at a World of Outlaws race that I guarantee will be more wild than anyone in non-wing... TIM KAEDING...No matter if he's up front or in back, it's a thrill to watch him give it his all every single lap, most of time right on the very edge of disaster. Too bad he didn't make the feature last night though... :/

If you go slow enough you can get a bunch of cars in a group.

If you want to see a bunch of cars packed together check out rush hour.

I've seen good and bad races in both winged and non and I figure I see more of both types than most fans here since I live close enough to both and enjoy both. Was it last year or the year before when Indy Sprintweek was dominated by front row starters winning without a pass? I think it was two years ago. (that included North Vernon by the way)

I still think size of the track and certainly, track conditions, make for the best racing. The fast half miles while thrilling for speed produce more yawners than the bullrings. I have yet to see a good race at Terre Haute for instance. It seems every nonwing race I have seen there has been a snoozeer, usually with a front row winner (Stanborough for instance) running away without a pass and single file racing. I also can't remember a bad race winged or non at L-Burg or Haubstadt. Give me a bullring any time.

Rubber is not just limited to the wing guys either, while I suppose it is more prevelant, but how soon we forget that East Bay laid rubber during the nonwing shows but not the winged ones.

Every driver I have talked to has said it is easier (some say MUCH easier) to drive nonwinged than winged. "Things seem to happen in slow motion with the nonwinged races while in the winged races things happen so quickly you need to make instant decisions". Just relaying what I have been told. Results would seem to bear that out as well, Do the names Haud, Smith, Chaney, Brecht, Hockett, Rilat, Bullard, Chappell, etc. ring a bell? All winged guys who crossed over and found quick success, plenty of others as well. Winged guys did very well in the Million while I seldom see anything even remotely close to that in reverse.

And didn't Brad Sweet run winged in Cali before he ran nonwinged? I do know that he is planning on running many more winged this year. More money to be won. He's a racer!

I like it all, but grow tired of the nonwingers always trying to say there version is better. Ask your promoters which is better! Not even close there. Can't we all just like what we like without trying to force feed our brand on someone else?

Yeah he is a ball to watch, he was doing well tonight until DirtVision started buffering, I'm guessing he still got a top 3.

The race you speak of was in 2004. It was a race that was ran with $$$$ put up by a gentleman to be run in his fathers honor. We (SCRA) were told that we were to run out race PRIOR to the 'B' main. Then some of the race teams competing that night complained to Cappy that this race needed to be ran after the 'A' main. Cappy obliged them and we ran then. Track was all used up and there was NOTHING to get a hold of in the way of traction as the track was toast by then. IMO, for someone putting up his own $$$$, it would have been nice to have provided him with a better track to run on. but of course, Sammy was happy

faster does not mean better. First chili bowl I saw was this year and it was better than most of the winged sprint races I have ever seen. Except for the sat. main. That race was just like 40% of all the winged races I have ever seen.

Saw 24 sprint bandits at OKC a couple years back and I still think that was probably better than any winged race I have ever seen. But yet for every non-winged race I have seen....I've seen probably 100 winged races. I love winged sprints.......but the non-wings are more fun to watch. the wing isn't lockin em' down, there's generally more passing, better racing in general I think.

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Your average nonwing car cannot compete upfront in wing races because they are heavy and dont have the engine. We cannot just say, "Hey, lets run the WoO race this weekend." We would get smoked. Plus, we'd be way behind on setups.

Nonwing racing is less about setup compared to wings. Its more driver feel. Thats why when you have a good wing driver run nonwing they do well because "they are a good driver" PERIOD. Its more driver than car. You can be in the ballaprk setup wise with a nonwing car and run well with a good driver....with a wing you need to be more "on the money" even with a good driver.

Have Steve Kinser, Roth Motorsports etc offer Dave Darland, Kevin Briscoe or Tracy Hines a ride in a WoO level racecar...they will do well, just like when good wing drivers do well nonwing.

Nonwing success is more driver.

Wing success is more car and driver

Real Race Cars Don't Have Doors!!!

OR WINGS!!!!!!!!!!

SPRINT CAR.

MODIFIED SPRINT CAR - wing's and stuff added.

A sprint car is a sprint car, it's not a non-wing. I guess it could be called traditional. It should be called a sprint car.

A modified is a modified, put a wing on a sprinter and all that other stuff and it's a modified. It should be called, a modified sprint car.

I was at manzy and saw real racing, with real sprint cars.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Poor Coach Bob, must have been too much sun on the bald pate at such places as Eldora. The biggest problem that wings present to racers that are new to them is to trust the trainer. Your seat of the pants tells you that you are going past the limits of the race car but your brain says, "the wing will save me". Yah, you're running faster due to the wing but anyone who develops the trust in one can go fast, even pre-tenns and young girls. I think they should outlaw power steering, but I still remember Offys and knobbies from my youth!!

I go to the track to see good ,hard clean racin.Not just a speed contest.Overall I have had more fun at topless races.I have seen some great wing races too.It seems to me that the nonwingers put on a better show.Do yourselfs a big favor and get the copper on dirt 2007 video.Just my opinion.Happy Trails ,Dean...

The track at Manzy had quite a bit of rubber down as well saturday night. Also the CRA Sprint and Silver Crown winner (Ricky Stenhouse Jr.) is a former Winged racer that used that rubber to his advantage to win.

Wing or no wing... either will have their good shows, great shows, crappy shows, yawners, etc.

KOP- You can't get on the winged racers for doing that, since it was the nationals and thats what everyone payed to watch.

Yes Offie, I did get too much sun on my bald head, this past week! But don't you get tired of the same old fights, the same guys coming on a winged thread with no reason saying "It would have been better if it was run wingless" or "The 360's put on a better show" or "Posse Rules!" WHATEVER!

I enjoy the nonwing races, see more than a few each year and some of my friends make fun of me for going to nonwing races. I also sometimes go out of my way to go to a good 360 race, supposedly taboo to the 410 genre. I even make it out to Central PA, and not just when working a race, again taboo! But the bottom line is still like Billy said, you get good and bad in every form. Just be glad we have sprint car racing to enjoy and let each enjoy his own type without trying to force your way on them. What's wrong with that?

By the way, saw a great winged race Thursday at Volusia. Joey and Kaeding put on a trrific show up front. Rahmer and Kinser battling close behind. Haud and Hodnett and others coming through the pack. It was a fine race. Wednesday was a rubberdown yawner, but hey, it was damn fast...LOL! Fast isn't necessarily my thing, I still like bullrings, something else I take heat for. JUST GIVE ME A GOOD RACE, THAT WORKS FOR ME!

all i know is everytime i go to a race be it placerville,chico or tulare i have to sit next some non wing guy bashing the winged races it nevers fails he goes on an on how this aint racing ...all motor..... no passing..... these guys are at every track why go if you are there to bash ..........i enjoy winged races hate the non wing "barneys" that ruin the night with ridiculous statements like this driver could not drive a non wing car,its like the non wing "barneys" have a inferiority complex.......hey .......maybe....naw i wont go there......

This is not a winged or non-wing forum is it? What I read is pretty plain, "General Forum" Who decided it was a winged only forum, coach Bob? I'm fairly new and maybe not that bright but I can read and this is a new thread in the "General Forum", right? Maybe some people keep hitting their heads on..never mind.....Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Haubstadt runs primarily on Sunday. About any race is good there but I like the wingless sprints the best. The WoO will be there on Sat. April 21st and the USAC ISW finale will be held there on Sat. July 21. That should be more interesting than at Terre Haute. I'm pretty sure they have their schedule posted on their webpage.

Coachbob, I hate to be the one to call you out, but someone has to do it.

First of all, if you want to sound un-biased, don't start your post with "If you go slow enough you can get a bunch of cars in a group. If you want to see a bunch of cars packed together check out rush hour."

Also, be accurate. In 2005(two years ago), ONE out of seven Indiana Sprintweek races was won from the front row. ALL were great races - possibly the best Indiana Sprintweek I can remember. One year that rivaled that was 2004, when TWO out of six races were won from the front row, and the championship battle that came down to the final corner of the final race was between two guys(Levi Jones, Dickie Gaines) who didn't win a race all week.

What races have you seen at Terre Haute? Jon Stanbrough? What race did you see him win there? Daron Clayton beat Jon this past fall in one of the best races the Action Track, and USAC Sprint Cars, has ever seen. The fall of 2005 had back-to-back shows that were just about as good as that one, and I RARELY see a show that is less than great at THAT.

East Bay did lay rubber for the Bandits shows. Were you there? It was simple, the track was brutally dry on Monday and Wednesday while it was WAY wet and tacky on Tuesday and Thursday. The Bandits races were still decent, but the winged cars were so locked-down that passing and general racing were hard to find. Lucas Wolfe was definitely the guy to watch, for me. The track was excellent for the Bandits finale, and the throttle-down, side-by-side action reflected that. It was easily the best race of the week.

Have you ever asked these guys how they like running sprint cars on a track that isn't taking rubber and/or a half-mile? Ask Rob Chaney how he liked East Bay, or how he likes Lima. Brecht came from modifieds, so you don't get to claim him. Ask Jesse how he liked Gas City, Indiana Sprintweek, or even Eldora his first time. Ask Rilat how he liked Indiana Sprintweek. The Million was a race at Eldora, which equates it more to a winged race than a sprint car race. Some have come in and performed very well on tracks that suit them, while others have worked at it long enough to become proficient on any type of surface, and I applaud them for that. Guys like Hockett, Sweet, Brecht, Stenhouse, etc. have worked through highs and lows to be on top of their game no matter the scenario. Again, please inform yourself.

Brad Sweet is running more winged shows this year because he secured a well-funded ride that can race many, many more times than he raced last year. He also convinced this team to use DRC chassis, so he can travel to the Midwest in July and August to run a bunch of sprint car races. At least ask the kid so you can know why he's doing what he's doing. He's a racer - that means he likes to RACE! And he does it in both disciplines...

Bob - I have looked over your barbs a lot in recent times, but your 5 or less sprint car races a year don't make you an expert, by any means. By making your rant, you have only labeled yourself as a strict winged sprint car fan....you obviously have no love for sprint cars, and you obviously think winged sprint cars are better. That's fine, but don't preach to the rest of us - we know where you stand.

Signed, Spridge(a guy who likes to see racers drive on the edge and battle for every inch they can grab, whether it be dirt, pavement, winged sprint car, sprint car, midget, late model, modified, champ car, whatever...)