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sw1911
January 27, 2023 at 10:36:49 AM
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Some sanity.

Plumbing is a bad comparison. Call it veggies and fruits if you want, but there is no way under God's green earth that a man or woman who hires plumbers as employees is going to allow said employees to compete against them after quitting time. 

If you owned the WoO, there is no way you would not view Hi Limit as a competitor and a threat to your brand. [in the words of the national buffoon, PERIOD]

 


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revjimk
January 27, 2023 at 11:07:10 AM
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Posted By: egras on January 27 2023 at 09:59:40 AM

1.  I don't care if you do believe me---it happened 100% that way.   The guy was very young, and just got in the plumbing business.  The plumber that plumbed our house just a few years earlier, retired.  I didn't know this guy very well, but saw he was a plumber, so I gave him a call.  (Normally, I fix my own crap, but this was an on-demand heater, and it was like looking at Japanese when I took the cover off-----ended up replacing the heater under warranty)  I apologized to him and never put him in that spot again.  I honestly didn't think he was going to be able to fix it, but at least he could tell me what was up?  

3.  So we do agree that employees should not be allowed to work for a competing business.  

I guess our main difference in opinion is whether or not the WoO and High Limit Series are in direct competition.  I'm fine with having a differing opinion.  In my eyes, it absolutely is a conflict of interest and if I were the WoO, and I were paying a certain group of drivers a premium to remain exclusive, I would have the exact same rules.  But that's just my thoughts because I feel like I've been involved in what I consider similar circumstances.  Hopefully, they get it sorted out so the fans can enjoy both----I would be elated if the Outlaws did not have the clause---but I understand why they do.  I also think it's good business.  So, in this case, I side with the WoO and their decision to protect their brand. 

But those are just my opinions. 

 



"But those are just my opinions"????

This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you are NOT the infallible BS Trouser! wink



egras
January 27, 2023 at 11:59:09 AM
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Posted By: revjimk on January 27 2023 at 11:07:10 AM

"But those are just my opinions"????

This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you are NOT the infallible BS Trouser! wink



Whew!  Thanks God!   wink

 

 




Jake B.
January 27, 2023 at 02:21:19 PM
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Posted By: hardon on January 26 2023 at 11:48:28 PM

Now before I start, I'm going to say that I don't want anything to change as far as WOO drivers racing the Knoxville Nationals.  But how doesn't my example hold up?  Lets be honest the only reason the Knoxville Nationals gets the pass from the WOO it does is because of tradition.  It's not a WOO race, they don't get points (maybe showup points?) and they don't run the WOO format, yet they run the same cars with the same drivers.  That is direct competition to the WOO in my opinion.  But if we want to look at other examples, why do the drivers get to race in Australia?  Years ago why were they allowed to race in Arizona over the winter?  Those series were quite similar to the High Limit series.



The example doesn't hold because the Nationals are literally part of the WoO schedule, so it cannot be viewed as a direct competition if the WoO considers it part of their own activities for the season.  It's also not the only race on the schedule that doesn't use the standard WoO format (King's Royal, I think Jackson Nationals, and I know there's a few more).  Those events are also not viewed as direct competition.  I know the Nationals has not always been part of the WoO schedule, most recently I believe it was during the time that NST existed.  There was speculation on this board about WoO having a competing event that would try to force their teams to skip Nationals, but concensus was they wouldn't be able to pull it off (not that it was ever really in the cards).

As far as Australia and Arizona, the yearly WoO contract is only effective from the start of the season to the end.  Between early November and early February the independent contractors, i.e. teams and drivers, are free to race when and where they please.  If WoO considered off-season (and overseas) events to be direct competition then they would try to implement a full 12 month contract.


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egras
January 28, 2023 at 10:03:48 AM
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Posted By: Jake B. on January 27 2023 at 02:21:19 PM

The example doesn't hold because the Nationals are literally part of the WoO schedule, so it cannot be viewed as a direct competition if the WoO considers it part of their own activities for the season.  It's also not the only race on the schedule that doesn't use the standard WoO format (King's Royal, I think Jackson Nationals, and I know there's a few more).  Those events are also not viewed as direct competition.  I know the Nationals has not always been part of the WoO schedule, most recently I believe it was during the time that NST existed.  There was speculation on this board about WoO having a competing event that would try to force their teams to skip Nationals, but concensus was they wouldn't be able to pull it off (not that it was ever really in the cards).

As far as Australia and Arizona, the yearly WoO contract is only effective from the start of the season to the end.  Between early November and early February the independent contractors, i.e. teams and drivers, are free to race when and where they please.  If WoO considered off-season (and overseas) events to be direct competition then they would try to implement a full 12 month contract.



Correct. 

In the past, I believe someone on this board also brought up the Cappy at Knoxville, and wanted to know why that was okay since it was not a WoO sanctioned event.  The Outlaws don't forbid their drivers from racing other events no matter the circumstance.  They may race other events so long as they get written permission to do so.  (my understanding anyways from the Jason Sides incident a few years back)   I'm not sure if they require the drivers to submit for written permission, if the get an email stating they have the okay, or if it's just casually mentioned at the start of the season.  It doesn't matter.  They all know it's allowed, and there is absoulutely no reason for the Outlaws to forbid it.  You could count on one hand the number of people who would attend the Cappy and not be ther for the 410 Nats 3 days later.   The event has no negative impact on the Outlaws.  



RodinCanada
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January 28, 2023 at 10:45:19 AM
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could the new rule be interpretted to allow teams to participate in the 4 or 8 races elsewhere without permission but still allow an unlimited amount of non sanctioned racing with permision?

meaning they ask and get approval for the Cappy and the Million and they still get the 4 or 8 HL or whatever shows the teams want that the WoO doesnt give permsiion to?

 

For shear kindness to all their teams I would think they NEED to permit the teams to race the Million. Too much money to limit their teams plus if a WoO driver won it, well they still get to say they are the best in the world. the best gotta be at the biggest race of the decade/century etc.


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egras
January 28, 2023 at 01:15:31 PM
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Posted By: RodinCanada on January 28 2023 at 10:45:19 AM

could the new rule be interpretted to allow teams to participate in the 4 or 8 races elsewhere without permission but still allow an unlimited amount of non sanctioned racing with permision?

meaning they ask and get approval for the Cappy and the Million and they still get the 4 or 8 HL or whatever shows the teams want that the WoO doesnt give permsiion to?

 

For shear kindness to all their teams I would think they NEED to permit the teams to race the Million. Too much money to limit their teams plus if a WoO driver won it, well they still get to say they are the best in the world. the best gotta be at the biggest race of the decade/century etc.



Good question.................

As far as the million goes, I have supported the WoO decision to protect their brand.  However, I think it would be a terrible PR move if they did not give written permission to all teams to compete in the million.  It is no different than the Cappy at Knoxville-----with the exception of life changing money!!!!   wink

 



&C fan
January 30, 2023 at 02:57:33 PM
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Back to the original post here! I will make the trip for the Queens Royal! Great to see a nice paying show with no sanction! I truly hope it works out for the promoter!



MoOpenwheel
January 30, 2023 at 04:10:35 PM
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Posted By: &C fan on January 30 2023 at 02:57:33 PM

Back to the original post here! I will make the trip for the Queens Royal! Great to see a nice paying show with no sanction! I truly hope it works out for the promoter!



Honestly it might be tough. That weekend is packed. Its NASCAR weekend in St. Louis. I'm sure a lot of local folks will want to go to that. I wonder how many might attend both.

Concerning cars, I'm sure they thought piggy backing off the High Limit race at Granite City a couple days before could be beneficial. But unfortunately every sprint car series around is running that weekend. WOO is up north. The All-Stars have the Rudeen race in WI that pays $26k. USAC sprint cars are at Knoxville both nights along with Knoxville 410s on Sat. A newly scheduled two night Powri 410 race is now scheduled at Moberly. MOWA is running at Granite City on Fri night. ASCS national is in OK. Extreme midgets are running three nights that weekend. Anyone running for points anywhere is probably locked up.

As much as I'd like to see this show be a success I'm wondering how many non local cars they might actually get. Rico possibly. Brent Marks. Who else doesn't run for points that might show up? It's kind of looking like it could be a really good paying weekend for the locals. I think for the show to really be successful it probably needed to be sanctioned. For that money you might have gotten the All-Stars some weekend. That probably would have cost more but it would guaranteed some names that people really want to see. Hopefully it turns out better than I'm afraid it might. 




miledirtfan
January 31, 2023 at 07:00:14 AM
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on January 30 2023 at 04:10:35 PM

Honestly it might be tough. That weekend is packed. Its NASCAR weekend in St. Louis. I'm sure a lot of local folks will want to go to that. I wonder how many might attend both.

Concerning cars, I'm sure they thought piggy backing off the High Limit race at Granite City a couple days before could be beneficial. But unfortunately every sprint car series around is running that weekend. WOO is up north. The All-Stars have the Rudeen race in WI that pays $26k. USAC sprint cars are at Knoxville both nights along with Knoxville 410s on Sat. A newly scheduled two night Powri 410 race is now scheduled at Moberly. MOWA is running at Granite City on Fri night. ASCS national is in OK. Extreme midgets are running three nights that weekend. Anyone running for points anywhere is probably locked up.

As much as I'd like to see this show be a success I'm wondering how many non local cars they might actually get. Rico possibly. Brent Marks. Who else doesn't run for points that might show up? It's kind of looking like it could be a really good paying weekend for the locals. I think for the show to really be successful it probably needed to be sanctioned. For that money you might have gotten the All-Stars some weekend. That probably would have cost more but it would guaranteed some names that people really want to see. Hopefully it turns out better than I'm afraid it might. 



Afraid I have to agree with Mo here

These days if you want the names, you pretty much have to book one of national series but who knows... as has been said, the High Limit series being so closeby on Wednesday may help keep a few of those guys local who want to cut down on diesel.

I'm particularly intersted in the new BKM 67, Christopher Bell will just be up the road for NASCAR, would he want to see his driver and car on the track only 90 minutes away.  And what about Stenhouse?  He raced at Farmington years ago and says he wants to be in his sprint car more this year.



hardon
January 31, 2023 at 10:03:24 PM
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Posted By: egras on January 27 2023 at 09:59:40 AM

1.  I don't care if you do believe me---it happened 100% that way.   The guy was very young, and just got in the plumbing business.  The plumber that plumbed our house just a few years earlier, retired.  I didn't know this guy very well, but saw he was a plumber, so I gave him a call.  (Normally, I fix my own crap, but this was an on-demand heater, and it was like looking at Japanese when I took the cover off-----ended up replacing the heater under warranty)  I apologized to him and never put him in that spot again.  I honestly didn't think he was going to be able to fix it, but at least he could tell me what was up?  

3.  So we do agree that employees should not be allowed to work for a competing business.  

I guess our main difference in opinion is whether or not the WoO and High Limit Series are in direct competition.  I'm fine with having a differing opinion.  In my eyes, it absolutely is a conflict of interest and if I were the WoO, and I were paying a certain group of drivers a premium to remain exclusive, I would have the exact same rules.  But that's just my thoughts because I feel like I've been involved in what I consider similar circumstances.  Hopefully, they get it sorted out so the fans can enjoy both----I would be elated if the Outlaws did not have the clause---but I understand why they do.  I also think it's good business.  So, in this case, I side with the WoO and their decision to protect their brand. 

But those are just my opinions. 

 



Sorry it took a while but thanks for your response.  It's ok to have different opinions on things that doesn't make mine or yours right or wrong (also it doesn't make either of our opinions fact lol) and reading through this we both want the same thing.  Even if I disagree with your examples, I respect your opinion.  Have a good day.





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