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All Stars started around 1970 by Bud Miller. USAC started after AAA stopped sanctioning auto racing. But the Woo is still the strongest. Their just protecting their Brand and they have every right to do so.

     Honest question- if you're favorite top guy drops off the tour, would you still attend WoO races?

It's true the all stars started in 1970 but they didn't race continuously throughout the 70s. I think they only ran a couple of years and then started back as MOSS in 1980. So the WoO has the longer consecutive years streak. 

Agreed Bert bought the naming rights from Miller. URC is the oldest by far.

Why are there only 13 on the driver page of WoO sprints?

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I agree that streaming is giving sprint car racing more exposure. It is also true that every sport is getting air time. With the ease of streaming from any location there is more of everything available and we are far past the days of scrolling through channels to find something interesting. We stream because we go direct. The non race fan will seldom come across a racing feed by accident and tune in to stick. My daugther is watching under 18 girls hockey from Europe on TSN, to me that is evidence that almost anything can be found on TV or streams. So just that Sprints are streamed doesnt mean the fan base will grow.

And as far as the money tracks make on streaming, i have no clue but the track portion of your $125 subscription can only be divided so many times before there is none left. If you watch 125 races on TV the most any track could get is $1 but Flo and DV arent in this to loose. I bet the streaming pay back to tracks is pennies before advertising inputs. Streaming is taking money out of the tracks bank not putting into it.

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I'm sure many people are going to disagree with this statement and that's fine, IT'S JUST MY OPINION.  But it's this kind of attitude that holds the WOO back.  Don't get me wrong THE WOO IS THE GREATEST SHOW ON DIRT.  But why wouldn't the WOO want the very best for their teams?  It's expensive to run a WOO team, so if their teams can make some extra money without costing them anything, why would the WOO care?  NASCAR doesn't tell their drivers they can't run a late model race or sprint car race, why?  Because they know it won't hurt them, if anything it will help them, more exposure is a good thing.  Again the WOO is the greatest show on dirt, so just because they run somewhere else on a non competing night, I doubt that anyone is going to skip a night where the WOO races.  Things like this make it seem like the WOO only cares about the WOO and not the people that the fans come to see.  Like I said it's expensive to run a WOO team and it's not like the WOO is turning people away from running the series, they don't even have enough people to run a full show, half of their show is locals and travelers.  There's a reason that people or groups of people have formed competing series in the past.  I guess looking at history that might happen again soon?

Ted started the WOO to help the racers. The run what U brung days are gone same as the true Outlaws. It is now a business and being a Platinum card carrying member is what helps many teams survive. We have seen it in basketball,football,golf, USA sprints, it sounds like a great idea but so far it always goes back to the big money series. Remember the Rocky movie where he takes down the Champ in the alley for nothing, WRC is protecting their brand. Knoxville and Cappy stood up to them and basically were able to do what they have done without being a true WOO race. But Knoxville had a storied history  that was bigger than the WOO.

I totally agree, I love the WoO and have been to many of their races,  but what have they got that I can't see equal or better elsewhere?

You guys have to realize, the guys filling many outlaw shows are getting incentives also. In many parts of the country the local that fill these fields don't have a snowballs chance in hell to make top 5 or top 10. Central pa is a hole different ballgame,  the regulars are expected to beat them. It's the same at knoxville or now Huset's,  there are few locals that can run and beat the touring guys.  In the woo you are looking at the cream of the crop. You have a few of the all star teams that are fast but I doubt if they could keep up with the schedule the outlaws put in. Pa has marks and macri that could join them at any time and possibly pull a few wins out. DD has the equipment but I think he'd struggle. Lance had more than one opportunity to get out there, the guy is very humble and kept his 9 to 5 job.  They, woo, has had a long run. More than a lot of people ever expected. Look at the fans that flock to eldora each year, and I think out of the big 3 races for them that's the least attended one. Knoxville is buy far the biggest followed by the grove's national open.  This year the eldora million will top them all in purse, and the place will probably be busting at the seems. I'll be curious to see what part of the country cars will be coming from. Knoxville regulars, posse, or maybe some west coast invaders. 

There is a huge difference between a Cup driver moonlighting and WoO sprint teams running other winged sprint shows during the week. Needs no explanation. 

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Look at it from you occupation. 

Say you are a graphic artist for a advertising company, you obvious sign "legal" agreements with your employeer when you are hired. 

However your whole life you have built a following, have people who love your designs, and its a great way to make some freelance money when you are not working out your "Career/Work" projects. 

Then word gets out that you are making some good money doing this freelance work after hours or weekends, they then tell you that you will not get any retirement, benefits, PTO if you continue to do your freelance work, becuase you work for XYZ Company and we own your creative mind and ability to put those thoughts on paper. 

Would you think that is fair for you employeer to put those "Rules" on your freetime and creativity? 

Acually I think it would be very common in that line to have to sign a non compete agreement which is what you are doing with the freelance work. I know mechanics at farm equipment dealers who are not allowed to do freelance work. If you have a large following then quit the job and start your own business.

This.  The largest hardwood lumber mill in the Midwest is near me.  They employ loggers to cut some of the timber for their mills.  Logging is one of the most dangerous professions that exists.  Their loggers are not covered by their health insurance if they are logging in their free time.

You realize in the "glory days" there were as few as 5-6 full time touring teams, right?  13 is plenty, I beleive they cap the number of platinum members.

1a,1s,17,41,15,49, all on the same track is what you can not see anywhere other than at a woo show

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does anyone know why the outlaw drivers that were going to australia were denied. i read something about fraudulent visas 

Well what they have is the best drivers racing week in and week out.  The WOO is the top series and the only place you will see the top drivers.  I just wish the WOO were not too insecure to realize that.

You bring up a fair point because there's not another series anywhere close to NASCAR or where they'd race the same cars.  Not trying to start an argument but would you put the High limit series on the same level as the WOO?  Even though they're the same cars I wouldn't consider them as competing series (like the multiple late model series).  WOO is the top dog I just wish they'd realized that.

Well I guess it looks like WoO does it again.  Crisis averted for the most part.