Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
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I haven't commented on this page in YEARS and it was Strawser's "Reap what you sow" comment that drew my ire.

People REALLY did die from covid. And 'ruin' the Hoseheads message board, that's a laugher.

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I seen this and I thought there might be a possibility for some explanation on the tire storage. Somebody possibly coming up with something about the Chinese Sprint car they run in Australia. Possibly making their way over to the United States and could be used to help with a tire shortage. And in books if Hoosier can't Supply tires they're breaking their contract with race tracks and anyone else they have contracts with. And that makes the contract null and void which means they should be able to run any Tire they choose to run. But then we got off on this rant about grocery stores and covid-19. And nothing has been said about the tires. So if the moderator could watch this and if it doesn't get back on the tires just close it and delete it please.

We have no way of knowing how the contracts were written, because it's none of our business. Most big-time contracts have some clauses in them about circumstances beyond their control. Dropping Hoosier isn't really an option.  If Hoosier is having trouble getting raw materials for tires, so is everyone else.

I'm sure you're probably right about the contracts you know more about that than I do. I do know from several people on Facebook down in Australia. That the Chinese Sprint car tires. Are easy to get ahold of plentiful and cause Pennies on the dollar. Compared to Hoosier or American racers and many Sprint car people in Australia are wondering why they're not being sold in America. Now one thing no one is saying is if this is natural rubber or synthetic rubber tire. They are saying that they can afford to run them one night and throw them away because they're so cheap. Sounds like a good solution to Tire shortage we have. I'm kind of surprised some high dollar owner has it checked into importing these tires to the United States. Or maybe they have we'll just have to wait and see

I hear there are some being tested in US now.

All I know is as racers, it is affecting our ability to be able to race in series/tracks we paid memberships for and that's where it does become our business.  I think open tire rule for a few weeks is an option that can keep cars on the tracks and not knowing the specifics of the particular Hoosier contracts with tracks/series, if they can't deliver the product, the contract has been breached by them. 

Unfortunate situation for sure either way, I just don't want to see more races canceled due to it and don't want teams to miss races at tracks/series' they committed to because they are out of the specific tire "required".

To be clear, I'm not defending tire companies or racing sanctions. I'm just saying that my experience with contracts are that any big company has enough weasel clauses written into their contracts to get out of them if they want to. Check whatever contract you signed when you paid membership dues and see if it guarantees anything.

As far as an open tire rule in the interim, I can't see how that would work unless a lot of people have tires squirrled away somewhere. If Hoosier can't get the raw materials, neither can the other race tire companies. 

A China Tire for a sprint car.. That might send old cubic over the edge.

I agree the tire companies(company) can be free from lawsuit due to the circumstances, but so can the sanctions and racetracks if they open it up until they can catch up.  Would much rather see 2 weeks of Amercian Racers and Goodyears or Chineese Specials (Open tire rule) than I would 2 weeks of no racing or 14 cars showing up.  Considering the large number of rainouts in the midwest and south in March and April, this being a thing already does not bode well for May/June.  Speedweeks (Indiana, Ohio, PA) are around the corner and something has to change SOON to keep them safe. 

Again, if anyone deserves to "reap what they sow" you are at the top of the list.

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Rubber needs structure to have air filled tires.    Nylon and some other materials are used.   for Bias Ply.

But wait,  Goodyear came out with a radial dirt tire for Bristol cup race.   While Im sure they'd be well over 500 a tire.  Would they work and would the be durable.   They didn't seem to have a proble and them 3500pd cars actually ran pretty good.

I also say leave the political and off topic crap off here.    Wanna talk politics, visit me on Fb or twitter,   Im as political as anyone.  Here I talk racing.

Well said!!!!

BS Trouser has a political comment in the small print EVERY time he posts, & lots of people here slip in political comments. I've been refraining.....but this guy "Fish" has a right to speak the truth

There's plenty of "Stupid shit" on HH, no big deal

Fish's comment was right on

Just like I have the right to speak the truth!  The truth and nothing but the truth so help me God!

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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Tire shortages are due to a shortage of shipping containers, problems getting imported raw materials and workforce disruptions due to Covid.  It's a big world with a lot of moving pieces.  My career was in transportation so I have sweated out getting containers to port, dispatching, and that type of thing followed by three decades of rail rating.  Not claiming to be any kind of expert but I have a decent grasp of JIT inventory and global trade.  Seems every time these issues come up that there isn't a good understanding of how dependent we all are on global trade and off shore production.  There isn't anything one individual tire company here in the states can resolve the tire problem.  

Stan Meissner

Maybe we can import some from Brazil or China...

Oh wait, thats all ready been done...Txs Good year

Now you want to bring God into this? That comes after the 'reap what we sow' comment.

If anything, people like you make God look foolish.

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Nope, I know the truth.  The media doesn't have a clue what the truth is anymore!

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

The truth is you're just a pain in the butt around here.

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LOL....Now that is funny!!  

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!