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Bloomer is concerned about his reputation due to this incident? Lol. Must not have been too concerned about it when he got busted for drugs, oh wait his girlfriends drugs. Look in the mirror bloomy thats the one responsible for your crappy reputation. Plus the fact he tries to come off as the smartest racer in history but never takes blame when he screws up.

Not his first time getting disqualifed for weighing light so its really not a surprise. I get wanting to be as close to weight as possible but man up when you screw it up. 

I crewed on a late model for a few years and one thing we did everytime we unloaded was to run the car across the scales. Then you know where you stand.

All these teams scale/setup their cars so they know what they weigh. If the track scale was so out of whack why didn't anybody during the race night bring up an issue with the weight being wrong. If 80 cars go over the scale during the night without issue and yours fails its not the scale. 

Must a not been a mud hole around or he would have scaled fine.

Dadgum Larsonfan I can feel the LOVE.

Me too buddy! Too many internet lawyers. I think they are butthurt Bloomquist fans!

So... I did a little looking. Scotty was sent to the back of the World 100 in 2014, still won the race. He had a window net with lexan supporting it.

Also, everyone should remember Scotty was a little under weight in the 2015 dream as well by 25 pounds. Davenport ended up the winner.

New scales, old scales it seems like he is cutting the weight close. 2015 he said, the issue was because they did not have enough fuel in the car, they did not fill it up.

3 years in a row at Eldora with a rules issue...

Tire prep... Nothing new, we did it 20 years ago when Atomic had the MC2 tire rule. It is amazing what a little baby oil or WD40 can do.

DA

Too many rules.  Bloomer must be hangin out with Wolfie. 

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Not even close to being the same situation as Wolfgangs. Although I do agree with too many rules now.

So....what happens if you weigh your car on the track scales and it is 20 lbs heavy and then you weigh the same exact car in the same condition with no weight change or fluid loss again the same night and it is 10 lbs light?

You seem to ignore that the track scales were reported to have around a 35lb variant over 6 different tests. If the scales can't even repeat the same weight over multiple tests.......even if that same repeated weight is not correct.......then that to me is a problem.

The least the scales should be able to do is repeat the same reading.....even if that reading is incorrect. So if 3 cars went over the scales and one was 20lbs heavy in reality but scaled 5 lbs heavy, then another car was actually 30lbs heavy and scaled 3lbs heavy and one was actually 10 lbs heavy but scaled 20lbs light you don't think that would be a problem?

Do you know if the team scaled the car at the track scales before the dace on that night and set it up to be 5 or 10 lbs heavy on the scales and then the scales read different? The story says the car was weighed twice with two different results after the race.

to indy and beyond!!

     It seems like there's got to be a lot of parts missing to this puzzle.

     If I win and my car is underweight, I'd ask them to re-weigh it.  So would you.  If it came up with a different weight the 2nd tiem, I'd insist it be weighed a third time.  So would you.  If it kept coming up with a different weight each time, I'd insist they keep trying until they can at least get the same weight twice in a row.  Wouldn't you? If they somehow managed to get me away from the scales and take $100,000 that I felt was rightfully mine, I'd be filing the lawsuit the next morning when the courthouse opened. Wouldn't you?

     Did they weigh the 2nd and 3rd place guys more than once? Or was that not neccesary if they weighed enough the first time?

     What are the odds that the scale works incorrectly for the winner, but works fine for the next two finishers?

     If they disqualified the first place finisher and they weigh the top 3, does that mean they then weighed the guy who finished 4th? It makes sense they would. Did that guy have a scale problem?

     Is there wording in the rules stating something like "You must weigh XXXX# after the race on the track's scale"? If so, maybe there's a loophole there that traps Bloomquist no matter how the scale operated.

     Is there a rule that says "decisions of the officials is final blah blah blah"?

     All in all, it looks like actually taking this to court would be a crapshoot for the drivers involved. How compasionate is a jury going to be after everything in this guy's past is dredged up for evidence? ( I was going to type "drug up" but that wouldn't be fair.)

     In the end, who else sees this as ending with WRG (WRE...whoever) issuing a non-apology and moving on.  "Mistakes were made, balh blah blah. We are not accepting blame for anyting etc. etc. etc."


     I'm not a Late Model fan.  I'm a sprint Zombie.  I just wish I still had as much hair as Scott Bloomquist.



    

1. No. the rule book is clear about how many times you are allowed to cross. In UMP's case, it says two. In the video, you can clearly see Bloomquist pull the car up on an angle the second time, and turn the front wheels all the way to the right. Trying to get a better reading for him. It worked, but it still was not enough. 

2. If you make weight, you do not need to re-weigh. I am not even sure that has ever been brought up before. Short answer, no, they did not weigh a second time. 

3. Odds are not good. 

4. They did not weigh the 4th place finisher. Only the top three finishers report to the scales. The 4th place finisher did not finish third. he was awarded third. Once a car reports to their pit area, it is a mute point to try and weigh them. 

5. Yes, the rule book says you must make weight according to the scales used at that event. weather it is the tracks scales, or the sanctioning bodies scales. 

6. Yes, there is a place in the rule book about officials decisions being final. Most rule books have that statement in a disclaimer on the first page. 

Some are claiming that the teams are simply trying to get a court to issue a "stay" on the suspensions so that they can race the world 100. But, the suspensions are in line with the rule book. I am not sure if a court will even look at it before the World 100 takes place. Bloomquist already has another event on his schedule. 

But, they are going after the scactioing body, the track, and Tony Stewart as an individual. If they were suing the sanctioning body and the track for their purse money, and the suspensions to be lifted, I would be less liekely to think they were just money grabbers. Rather, they are suing 4 different parties for over 16.5 million. 

Also remember, that after Bloomer was DQ'd for weight, there is video that shows, what looks to be a weight coming out from under the car in turns three and four. A 25 pound peice of tungsten was found after the race up against the wall with no car number on it. (rules do state that each weight, driveshaft, wheel, and other items must have the car # on them)

Many in the late model world hope they win the lawsuit, and put WRG, UMP, Eldora, and Tony Stewart out of business. What a blow that would have to the entire racing community. 

UMP Rule Book: http://www.dirtcarump.com/rules/late-model-rules/

With a lawsuit Eldora can deny any driver from the World 100 if they choose. I say deny them from the property!

just a little addition to this post....tire "prep" can completely change what a tire can do....soften, harden, more bite, less bite....and it isnt always used on the treads. you can also soften and stiffen sidewalls and increase tire life. it can also be applied to stay in thru the life of the tire or just for a few laps at the beginning of the race to compensate for low bite till the tires build heat and the compound takes over. and, yes, you can get a lot of the ingrediants at home depot and the local farm supply....but learning what to mix and how much to get the tires to do what you want them to do is a competely different thing. we have been to races where the tires were suppose to be "spec" tires and they were durometer tested in the staging lane before each race......if you wanted to cheat, you prep the tire to get more bite, which wouldnt show on the durometer and the chemicals would start to work, and get better, as the tire temps increased.

prepping became such a "cat and mouse" game in karting they gave up trying to police it and just said....have a ball boys, just dont blow shit up....after a trailer caught fire and a kid got burned while prepping tires in his trailer at the track with the doors closed.....

until they come up with a reliable, consistant way to test tires, its just going to keep happening, unless they say screw it and eliminate the rule.

ps....scale readings and accuracy CAN change over the course of a race night. dust accumulation, water and temp. changes can cause the scales to vary. i have seen it happen many times. scale before the feature and know how much weight is gonna come off the car during the race (fuel use, rubber burning off tires, ect) then ad a gallon or two if "insurance" fuel.....modified driver brett hearn (and im sure others) weigh their tires before and after use. i heard the amount of weight that comes off during a race and it was surprising but i dont remember exact numbers.

I like posts where I learn a little bit.

Good insight. Thanks.