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You should go back and read it again I didn't call anyone a clown. So give me one example of a driver complaining about their lack of freedom? And bye the way if it was such a big deal they have just not signed the contract and did what they wanted, but they didn't did they?

Parnelli, I'm going to apologize to you.  You copied my post and then made a statement and asked a question.  I thought you where speaking directly to me.  The "clown" comment was by someone else.

"Fredom - exemption from external control, interference, regulation  -  the power to determine action without restraint"

So on April 12th and 13th can a HL driver go run Peevley without external control and regulation and not lose their tow money and points fund for the rest of the season?? 

No worries. Both series'al are gonna have good fields and both have good drivers but this made up issue of drivers crying for their freedom is BS. I can remember two instances of teams having an issue with it Sheldon's and Jason Sides and who are they with this year?

No.    HL guys get freedom 306 nights this year.   Those 2 nights aren't included.

He didn't even last for the whole all-star tour last season.

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OK, I've lost my scorecard. Can you elbaborate what you're referring to here?
-Thanks

I was referring to the myth that HL has "freedom" which infers by ones definition "exempt from control .......or regulation". 12 and 13 April are WoO races at Peevley. 12 and 13 April are HL races elsewhere.  If the HL guys have "freedom" they can choose to race at Peevley but if they did they will then become ineligible for any further tow money and points fund from HL so I was basically just showing the freedom argument is not factual, that's all.  

You've inspired me.  I'm taking the next month off from work, without notice.  When I return, I expect full pay and benefits.  No employer of mine is taking my freedom!!!!   We'll show em!!!!!   We'll show all of em!!!

Update:  I researched and I found out I can't do this.  Apparently, the contract I signed says I have to work a certain amount of days to receive pay and benefits.  Additionally, I cannot moonlight or I face termination as well.  I wish I had the same freedoms you must enjoy.  Work whenever, wherever and receive all of the benefits and pay.  Can you get me an application?   How's the health insurance?

And we know this as facts about tow money and points?

My God in Heaven! This season could have some of the very greatest racing of all time whether it's the HL or the WoO and keyboard warriors are gonna make it the most long, drawn out, forgettable season of all time bickering and bantering and bashing whichever series they personally like best for whichever of a plethora of reasons. Can't we just enjoy the damn races without this shit? Both series have their pluses and minuses and in the end, when the dust settles, I'd bet ya a Benjamin both are just fine and I hope they are because we all win with more races by the best sprint car drivers around bar none. Y'all stirring up bullshit all over wishing for the demise of ether series are nothing more than toaster leavins (ya know, the crumbs left at the bottom of the toaster). Sorry. Rant over. Gonna be a long season it appears and my wish is the racing is so damn good it drowns out the aforementioned naysayers. 

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He never committed to any series last season.  Only committed to all stars in '21 and '22 and completed both seasons.

Parnelli1970,

David Gravel and Jacob Allen discussed this topic on one of David’s videos.  David mentions that he signs the WoO contract but acknowledges that he is “not happy about” not being allowed to race some high paying races.      David also mentions bringing it up at a meeting with WoO.   Jacob gushes about High Limit and he uses the words “freedom” a couple times.              It is a 2 hour video.   The interesting parts that I mentioned are from 45:00 to 53:00.

Link To Video. Skip to the 45 minute mark.

This interview helped shaped my own opinion on this subject.      I doubt anybody on this forum has ever toured a full season with the Outlaws.     Based on the interview, I get the impression that once David wins a WoO championship (his 1,000 % goal and why he is still doing WoO) , he will join HL.

Great thread Murphy !

Thanks didn't catch that one. But my point is they don't have to sign up if they want their freedom but they all do anyway. And I agree with FORD he may feel that way but I don't think his car owner does.

So enlighten us with the facts and some numbers please.

High Limit Rule Book - Section B

To be eligible for year end points fund monies, provisionals, and five (5) complimentary pit passes, Full Time Competitors (“Full Time Competitors&rdquo must fill out a 2024 Entrant Agreement (“Entrant Agreement&rdquo, an Annual Waiver and Release Agreement (“Release&rdquo, and if qualified, enter into and comply with a High Limit Racing Mid-Week Money Agreement (“Mid-Week Agreement&rdquo, and/or High Limit Double Down Member and Entrant Agreement (“Double Down Agreement&rdquo, and abide by the terms in, and remain in good standing

High Limit Rule Book - Section G

Good standing shall mean such members that have attended 100% of the High Limit Events to the date.

The funky symbols were hyperlinks from the digital rule book my apologies for not removing them, I didn't want to edit the rule book entry and be acused of providing something not true.........again. 

Hope this helps

Say it isn't so!  The HL is going to make rules for full-time drivers in order for them to reap the benefits of the HL?  This sounds like taking away their freedom!  I don't believe you.  The HL is supposed to be a sprint car utopia, where teams/drivers come for unlimited purses, low-cost racing, passing in every corner, and the prospect of millions in the bank for even the 15th place driver in the series! 

Relax Outlaw haters---I watch the HL too, so not poking fun at them.  The more this unfolds, the more I sit back and laugh at all those that thought the Outlaws are money-grubbing fools and the HL was going to be this endless supply of money for teams without having any rules to protect their brand.  Just keep watching folks.   If this is going to fly, they're gonna have to follow the Outlaws business model at least to some extent and then all of the Outlaw haters can hate both series I guess????   Looking like we're heading that direction the more comments I read.  

I'm happy to have both series to watch.  When the busy season hits, should have non-stop action switching back and forth from Flo to DV.  Just a shame folks can't see that if they thought the Outlaws were pigs, the HL is just going to end up being the pig wearing lipstick.  (not in my mind---I think both are simply trying to operate a business and be successful---and Americans have been groomed to hate other Americans having success)

Bingo!

Lets just watch 'em race & quit quibbling

It looks like freedom isn't free.