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July 25, 2023 at
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You alright??
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July 25, 2023 at
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Posted By: Nick14 on July 25 2023 at 10:16:39 AM
I hope all turns out well for Jacob and he returns to the 1A. He's a likeable guy and definately admire the way he has approached his career and has tried to stay positive throughout his career. But I will say, and I'm not sorry for saying this or if it hurts anyone's feelings but I honestly feel it might be best for him to go away from the 1A and maybe drive for another team. I know some of you will go how can you say that his Dad is Bobby Allen and no one would be able to give Jacob as good of an opportunity than Bobby Allen. Just calling it like I see it, I feel the 1A car, team, and even driver is treated like the redheaded step child of Shark Racing. It might be car 1A but to the team is is actually car 1B or car 2. Now yes, a good portion of that is performance based as the 1S has performed better, has the results, has the wins, and it is a performance based industry but in recent past years it is not like Jacob has really sucked. Last year 1 could argue that Jacob actually performed better than the 1S for much of the year but you look at the sponsorship opportunities and equipment and I do not see necessarily see resources evenly distributed nor has it been done for a number of years.
Again performance based and I am not saying that it is because anyone is playing favorites but it is a business and there are 2 cars and decisions have to be made to keep both on the road. However I can't help but think that if Jacob can accomplish what he has accomplished in the 1A, what could he accomplish in something that is potentially better? I would say that if he questioning things in the team as some might be suggesting then I would say kid, go bet on yourself. Test the waters, put your name out there and see what opportunities are out there.
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While the spirit of what you are saying may be true, the mechanics of what you are saying is not. I sincerly doubt that the days of people coming to Bobby wanting to sponsor both cars are over. They want to sponsor a specific car. If all of the sponsors coming to the door want to put the name on the 1S and not the 1A, there is not a lot the team can do. If the 1S has more sponsorship dollars coming in that the 1A, it only makes sense that he has better equipment than the 1A. While they can get creative wih some of the dollars, at the end of the day they have to be able to provide proof to the sponsor on where the money is going.
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July 25, 2023 at
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Posted By: Nick14 on July 25 2023 at 10:16:39 AM
I hope all turns out well for Jacob and he returns to the 1A. He's a likeable guy and definately admire the way he has approached his career and has tried to stay positive throughout his career. But I will say, and I'm not sorry for saying this or if it hurts anyone's feelings but I honestly feel it might be best for him to go away from the 1A and maybe drive for another team. I know some of you will go how can you say that his Dad is Bobby Allen and no one would be able to give Jacob as good of an opportunity than Bobby Allen. Just calling it like I see it, I feel the 1A car, team, and even driver is treated like the redheaded step child of Shark Racing. It might be car 1A but to the team is is actually car 1B or car 2. Now yes, a good portion of that is performance based as the 1S has performed better, has the results, has the wins, and it is a performance based industry but in recent past years it is not like Jacob has really sucked. Last year 1 could argue that Jacob actually performed better than the 1S for much of the year but you look at the sponsorship opportunities and equipment and I do not see necessarily see resources evenly distributed nor has it been done for a number of years.
Again performance based and I am not saying that it is because anyone is playing favorites but it is a business and there are 2 cars and decisions have to be made to keep both on the road. However I can't help but think that if Jacob can accomplish what he has accomplished in the 1A, what could he accomplish in something that is potentially better? I would say that if he questioning things in the team as some might be suggesting then I would say kid, go bet on yourself. Test the waters, put your name out there and see what opportunities are out there.
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I hope the best for Jacob..During his interviews he always seams spaced out..Hope this is not substance related..He's a good kid, hate to think of substance abuse..If its related hope help comes for him..Not saying but you never know..
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July 25, 2023 at
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Posted By: moparfarmer on July 25 2023 at 02:26:05 PM
I hope the best for Jacob..During his interviews he always seams spaced out..Hope this is not substance related..He's a good kid, hate to think of substance abuse..If its related hope help comes for him..Not saying but you never know..
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I don't think its substance related. I think he's a kid that is a little too hard on himself sometimes and might be trying to figure out how to put a postive spin on things even though on the inside he might be frustrated with his performance. Being part of a 2 car team is not easy as you always are going to be compared by that other car no matter what. If its winning or running upfront and you are not then suddenly fans point to the driver as the problem, not the whole team. That could be weighing a little bit on him. To me, I don't see Jacob being the issue for the 1A struggles at all and it is more of a whole race operation issue for the organization. If anything Jacob in my opinion has outperformed the equipment that has been given to him for a number of years and I think he would probably get better results if he did go to another team and possibly be happier. As we have seen this year more than any other year, driving and working with your family is not necessarily paradise.
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July 25, 2023 at
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Posted By: Nick14 on July 25 2023 at 03:18:14 PM
I don't think its substance related. I think he's a kid that is a little too hard on himself sometimes and might be trying to figure out how to put a postive spin on things even though on the inside he might be frustrated with his performance. Being part of a 2 car team is not easy as you always are going to be compared by that other car no matter what. If its winning or running upfront and you are not then suddenly fans point to the driver as the problem, not the whole team. That could be weighing a little bit on him. To me, I don't see Jacob being the issue for the 1A struggles at all and it is more of a whole race operation issue for the organization. If anything Jacob in my opinion has outperformed the equipment that has been given to him for a number of years and I think he would probably get better results if he did go to another team and possibly be happier. As we have seen this year more than any other year, driving and working with your family is not necessarily paradise.
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Would love to see him in the 69k this Saturday night at Port Royal. That track will be slick as you know what.
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July 25, 2023 at
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They took a week off after running a 4 day late model event. Often called the "derby cars" by me. But good for them to catering to all of their classes with a big event.
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July 25, 2023 at
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Posted By: Sonicman1 on July 25 2023 at 11:23:50 AM
I think it would be good for the 1A and Jacob Allen to go and do the Rico approach. Just go race and get better. Jump in where you want. Be a true Outlaw. Maybe come spend a summer doing the Knoxville regular on Saturday and Huset's on Sunday. Those pay 10K to win every week for the weekly shows now. Not bad. Basically go back to building confidence around the competitive local tracks whether in PA or Iowa/SD. Speaking of Rico, he is the only guy not named Larson that I would bet for a podium finish at Knoxville in a couple weeks, that isnt a top 5 WoO.
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I like Jacob and enjoy seeing him win. To me a limited schedule makes sense. I'm sure Bobby wants the 1A at all the races for the platinum deal though so that would put Jacob out at least for the rest of the year. It would be interesting to see him in the 69k wouldn't it?
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July 25, 2023 at
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Posted By: Fordhead on July 25 2023 at 12:41:28 PM
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Yes Husets does weekly racing 305,410, and street stocks. my son races there, your info is not correct.
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July 25, 2023 at
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Posted By: Fordhead on July 25 2023 at 12:41:28 PM
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Yes Husets runs weekly
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July 25, 2023 at
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...on the subject of substance abuse.
Thanx,
Bruce
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July 25, 2023 at
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Posted By: moparfarmer on July 25 2023 at 02:26:05 PM
I hope the best for Jacob..During his interviews he always seams spaced out..Hope this is not substance related..He's a good kid, hate to think of substance abuse..If its related hope help comes for him..Not saying but you never know..
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Whaaa???
He seems perfectly alright to me.....
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July 25, 2023 at
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Lets not forget that Logan started racing at a much younger age & is just a better driver
But Jacob has improved tremendously & I wish him the best. He was still moving up
All these Pa. team breakups are bumming me out...
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July 25, 2023 at
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Bobby has always said that Logan is his Moneyball....
It oly seems right to give the money backing to the money earner on the team.....
Jacob has been totally inconsistent this year and must be a drain on the team now that he has a full crew and hauler.....
I too like what Jacob has done, but he must pay his way, or else he is gone.....
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July 25, 2023 at
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The same guy who's going to win af Knoxville the week after the Nationals.
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July 25, 2023 at
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I think a huge percentage of people Jacobs age use the words UMM, YA, and FOR SURE at random, weird and unnecessary places in regular conversation. If he is spaced out a large portion of generation is spaced out.
On the thought of Jacob getting the inferior pieces, seems doubtful. Are we to believe when Jacob needs a piece he gets the used one from Logan and Logan gets the fresh part? Is Logan's back up car loaded with new quality pieces while Jacobs on track car is built from left overs I dunno.
who really knows how much each driver gets. Most hired drivers have an agreement I know. But this family is untraditional in every way. Rumours are that when they started it was nickels and dimes. Maybe Bobby paid it all and kept it all. Logan didn't keep a million dollars last week. He got his percentage which obviously was huge but the remainder went to a two car team. As a father I would not be asking my son to use sub-par parts after that windfall.
Even though I may not know you, I
care what most of you think!
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July 26, 2023 at
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Posted By: JonR on July 25 2023 at 02:20:48 PM
While the spirit of what you are saying may be true, the mechanics of what you are saying is not. I sincerly doubt that the days of people coming to Bobby wanting to sponsor both cars are over. They want to sponsor a specific car. If all of the sponsors coming to the door want to put the name on the 1S and not the 1A, there is not a lot the team can do. If the 1S has more sponsorship dollars coming in that the 1A, it only makes sense that he has better equipment than the 1A. While they can get creative wih some of the dollars, at the end of the day they have to be able to provide proof to the sponsor on where the money is going.
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Oh I agree that sponsors are not coming over simply because Bobby Allen owns the car and those days may have actually never existed based on how Scruff has had to do things. And I understand that most likely a sponsor is probably going to want to go to the 1S than the 1A as it currently sits. What we do not know nor is it any of our business is how actively is the team looking for sponsors for both or is that on the drivers or is the primary focus on the 1S. My point is that while that while the performance of the 1S is better than the 1A and has been historically, Jacob has not necessarily completely sucked. He also came from the same nickel and dime operation and has won what 5 WoO races? Including a Knoxville Prelim night which is no easy feat, plus he has been up there in the fight countless times for the win. One would think that would count for something but just as an observation whenever I have walked past those two trailers the past couple years it appears no matter how good the 1A does it gets less an the 1S keeps getting more. It just makes me think that it does not matter how well Jacob runs or how many races he wins, it does not look like he will be the priority of that team, ever. And I can think of a lot of teams out there in the country that probably have better equipment and resources than the 1A team but have drivers that are not as good as Jacob Allen. Put about 99% of drivers in his and situation and they would have been off the road in probably less than 2years.
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July 26, 2023 at
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With that line of logic there's not a track in the country with weekly sprint cars you clown
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July 26, 2023 at
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No need to speculate he has posted on Facebook the reason which I don't have and can't paste here but encourage you all to just Google search Jacob Allen Racing and look at one of his posts near the top. Don't need Facebook to do so, so I was able to read it that way.
Long story short cliff notes version - Mental exhaustion. Not home enough and hard on relationships with everyone on the team and around the team. Doesn't sound like specific fall outs just needing a break from the grind to regroup. It sure reads like he will be back soon. Did mention WoO officials get vacations but they don't get any time off. Wasn't knocking them but just saying the drivers might not have it as cherry as we may think. He was also then appreciative of the WoO and what they have done for him and his career. He has went farther than he could imagine. Many others in the WoO have similar feelings but have to grind on cause it's their job. Full version is much longer but this is the general tone.
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Jacob opened up about how tuff it is on the road. Physically and mentally. Probably good reason why some guys on tour today are flying in and out because it gives them a chance to live somewhat of a normal life.
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July 26, 2023 at
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it's really cool how open he was. ultimately i guess it's none of our business why lance leaves the 69k, macri leaves the 39m, etc. we are invested as fans spending a good deal of our time and money supporting these guys. i feel like an honest explanation isn't too much to ask.
i think what bothers me is some of these guys act like tough guys and yet they have more drama around them than a high school cafeteria. not being up front adds to the drama. if you got pissed about a t-shirt trailer...at least be honest about it. don't just bail on your fans without any kind of explanation.
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