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TV station report with his father, posted this afternoon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvPf0LEmX_s 

No ambulance on site?  What in the holy F ?

I'm not completely following your post.  Are you saying that you think because there's a flip count sponsored corporately that drivers will intentionally wreck their own equipment?  If that's what you're saying, no I don't think the Chili Bowl needs to change.  If that's not what you're saying, what are you saying?  This doesn't make much sense to me.

chili bowl has no chassis specs that I know of.  Some chassis made just for the indoor races have lighter tubes in some areas of frame.  Maybe they should rule in only one frame spec like they use on bigger tracks.  I  like run what you brung in some cases but  some things may not be very smart.

I'm saying that promoting a flip count almost makes crashing not seem like a big deal. Couple that with not even having an ambulance on site gives off the impression that its safer than what it really is or at least minimizes the danger. 

When the arm restraints first came out it was a real concern because they could get under the latch and pop the belts open. A lot of guys worked on placement on the arm,  most try to hold that steering wheel as tight as you can, in some instances that is just not possible and it's a good chance that's what happened to this kid. As for no ambulance, really, as long as they have qualified  emt personal on site  thats  what's  important. You first need to get a person stabilized before you can transport. 

There has always been an ambulance at the Chili Bowl, it sits just outside the building. There are also multiple paramedics and first responders in the infield. You people, people who have probably never been, need to stop speculating. You are just as bad for the sport as your stupid conspiracies.

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100% agree.  Ambulance is kept outside the building due to space issues I believe.  Some of the keyboard warriors on here need to do a little bit of research before spouting off opinions. 

I stand corrected and I'm glad to be wrong on this one. I made the mistake of going off what others here and elsewhere had stated. Also, some the statements I read and heard from people who were there (including competitors) referenced having to get an ambulance on site. I'm now interpreting that to mean inside the the building to the where it was needed. 

Then why did they say they was making a plan to get the Ambulance to the seen on the Flo broadcast

Close to 5 minutes after the accident? They either wrong or it took a long time to get the door open!

Maybe we need a Fact check!

Ihis is  apples and oranges, but back in jalopy stock car days Eddy Flip Tucker rolled his car on a regular basis because drivers got PAID if they rolled a car.  An ambulance would always go out to haul driver away.

I'm confused too

They had EMT's in the infield that were on the scene.  The first thing they had to do was determine his condition and stabalize him.  They ambulance is used for transport and if deemed not adequate they would call in a life flight.  When there is outrage about no ambulance on the scene it's because of situations where there is no ambulance and no EMT's.  That was not the case in this incident so there really isn't an issue.  If they had needed a life flight that would have taken longer than getting a vehicle already on premises into the infield.  
 

There is nothing wrong about the way this was handled and it had a positive outcome.  

Stan Meissner

OK, thanks for clearing that up

Is there no chance of fire at the Chili bowl? The officials that run out on the track are in short sleeves.

Hawker. Just so you understand you're correct about. The ambulance parked Outback. But it was just a band aid ambulance. By that, I mean? If you would have fallen while you were taking a picture, And got a bloody nose. Or scun your elbow. They would have went to that ambulance and got a band aid. If you would have broke your arm. I needed to go to the hospital. That ambulance would not have moved. It is not a transport ambulance. That ambulance cannot move. If somebody needs to be transported. They need to call an ambulance. A transport ambulance. As we seen Wednesday night. If it would have been more serious Wednesday night. That driver could have passed away on the race track. Thankfully. By the grace of God. That didn't happen. Not by anything the Chili Bowl did. That ambulance had to come from the hospital on the south side of Tulsa. And that is a pretty good distance from the racetrack. I've seen several estimates that it took 20 minutes. All I can say is they're damn lucky. As for their flip count Board. I always thought it was stupid. I don't know if these people realize what it cost to fix a racecar. But evidently somebody thought it was cute? But the cuteness went away real fast Wednesday night. I was one of the people that complained on Facebook. And it must have been seen by somebody. Because Thursday it was gone, and it's been gone the rest of the week. And I hope it's gone forever.     Glen Murra

I haven't been there since 1998. I remember a few sex dolls floating around the crowd but I don'r remember these turn 2 shenanigans. Is that like the student section at a HS basketball game or something?

We will have to agree to disagree. Since I have only been to 28 Chili Bowls and I lived in tulsa for 34 years, I can only speak to the ambulance and hospital information from my personal experience. During those 28 Chili Bowls that I have been to, there has always been an EMSA ambulance there. Up until a number of years ago, it sat inside the building at the base of the ramp, but it was in a precarious position and has since been moved just ouside the south door. As far as hostpitals in close proximity to the Tulsa Fairgrounds, St Johns Medical Center is 2 miles away...Hillcrest Medical Center is 3 miles away...

And to the previous poster on fire preparedness, there are numerous personnel there in full nomex suits positioned at both ends and the center of the infield.

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The problem without having an ambulance dedicate on the grounds is there is no guarantee that an ambulance will be available if needed. With a national shortage of Emts and paramedics, what if all the ambulances were already out on a call and delayed to respond to the track, any track for that matter. My opinion every track should have an ambulance on the grounds that is capable of transporting. Worse case scenario if someone dies, they can at least put them in the ambulance out of view of the fans rather the letting them lay with a sheet on them for all to see. 

I was at Irwindale Speedway in 2002 for the Turkey Night Grand Prix and saw the Aaron Fike and Tony Stewart accident in turn #4, I thought Stewart was dead. That was the hardest midget smack against a crash wall I've ever seen. That terrible dull thud carried all the way to the grandstands, Absolutely horrible. Stuck throttle by Fike did it. IIRC, Stewart drove to Las Vegas for the next midget car race.