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Skipping Perris makes sense and if you would have actually read through the original post you would have known I felt that way. And I already addressed the other points regarding natives and such but I guess you missed that too. Try reading through something before you make comments on it. You reference the WoO guys in the last sentence but are chest pumping about those same WoO guys in the sentence before, lol. 

The WoO won 5 races out of a possible 6 this year in Northern California.

Based on your first statement I would say you have never been to a local show in Central Pennsylvania. Kind of funny how someone like that can have such strong opinions about something they've never witnessed themselves - your typical he said, she said situation. Hell you seem to believe that you know what "most fans in most areas" think about this racing scene that you've never been to. Come to PA and we'll do our best to accomdate you (and your ego) and if you don't like it, then you have full entitlement of saying whatever you want. 

Back to the topic at hand, I posted factual information regarding statistics of a local show and a WoO show at the same track within a 3 week period of each other. I was given some excellent feedback and insightful knowledge about the 3 series championship. But that doesn't change the fact there were cars that could have represented California very well at the KWS opener but not at the WoO show. They have their reasons, some very valid, but it was disappointing to see as a race fan. 

A couple of weeks ago when the World of Outlaws invaded Tulare there were 29 cars - that includes the 17 or so cars the travelers brought. Last night at a local King of the West show the same track drew 31 cars. 

When the World of Outlaws are in town in Central PA, Ohio and Knoxville - very few shy away from running against the best. Some of those cars roll into the pits with minimal expectations but that doesn't stop them from coming. That's how all 3 of those regions get 40+ cars every time the invaders roll through and that speaks volumes about their respective local racing scenes. Sure, there are some guys that put away and save what little equipment they have for local shows because they don't have the finances or strong enough equipment to run with the big boys but for some of these NorCal drivers to skip the Tulare WoO show simply burdens their local racing scene well. 

Last night's KWS winner Tommy Tarlton was noticeably absent when the Outlaws were in town at the exact same track. I've watched Tommy progress and turn into one of the premier short track drivers in not only the area but in the country as well and are you telling me Tommy couldn't have beat the WoO at Tulare because you'd have a hard time convincing me of that...

Last year Shane Golobic won an Outlaw show - proving he has the skills and the equipment to do so - but doesn't show for a majority of the races including what everyone refers to as the best track in California. He had no problem rolling through the gates last night on the way to a top 10 finish. 

Willie Croft, 2nd in points last year for the KWS, was absent all month when the Outlaws are in town but rolls the car out last night and was one of the quickest cars on the track all night. 

Other drivers in the top 10 last night with the KWS that didn't come when the best of the world were in town were Sean Becker, Jason Statler and Mason Moore.

6 of the top 10 last night at a local show at Tulare didn't show up when the World of Outlaws were in Tulare. This simply will never happen in Central PA, Ohio and Knoxville. 

And after looking at results and statistics like that, it's no wonder the travelers took 5 of the 6 shows in California. Not counting Perris, because you would be stupid to pass up a televised race in your backyard to go down to one of the worst winged tracks in the country...

I'm sure the first responses will be - well we have Paul McMahan, Brad Sweet and Tim Kaeding who were raised in California out on the tour running well and Kyle Larson who's the driver of the decade. How many people does PA, OH and IA have doing that. And no one, no one can argue that point and you have the right to be proud of that, but I'm talking about the local racing. Because in reality, everyone on the country can watch Paul, Brad, TK and Kyle just as much if not not more than you fellas. But not everyone can see the local talent that their respective region has on a regular basis, so for some of the top guns in the region to not show up is disappointing and quite frankly a little embarassing for everyone that is saying that California has the best local racing. 

Shoutout to Dominic Scelzi, DJ Netto, Bud Kaeding and Kyle Hirst for their perfect attendance during the WoO NorCal swing. Rico as well as he missed the last show to go dominate in Kokomo...guy is insane. 

Looking forward to debating this topic with everyone. Stay safe and support your local tracks.

Let's not over look the fact that Trey Starks has left Cali to attend a spring semester at Posse U...

the post above is why fans in most areas have no respct for the posse fans.

most of the cali drivers that didn't run the tulare woo are going to run 3 different series for the triple crown championship in nor cal.

since many of them come from the sacramento area near marysville, traveling half way down the state to run on fri then driving half way back up the state on the night before your local series opener just wasn't i think made sense to them

california is a big state you can't stand on your porch and piss across it like some others.

A couple of weeks ago when the World of Outlaws invaded Tulare there were 29 cars - that includes the 17 or so cars the travelers brought. Last night at a local King of the West show the same track drew 31 cars. 

When the World of Outlaws are in town in Central PA, Ohio and Knoxville - very few shy away from running against the best. Some of those cars roll into the pits with minimal expectations but that doesn't stop them from coming. That's how all 3 of those regions get 40+ cars every time the invaders roll through and that speaks volumes about their respective local racing scenes. Sure, there are some guys that put away and save what little equipment they have for local shows because they don't have the finances or strong enough equipment to run with the big boys but for some of these NorCal drivers to skip the Tulare WoO show simply burdens their local racing scene well. 

Last night's KWS winner Tommy Tarlton was noticeably absent when the Outlaws were in town at the exact same track. I've watched Tommy progress and turn into one of the premier short track drivers in not only the area but in the country as well and are you telling me Tommy couldn't have beat the WoO at Tulare because you'd have a hard time convincing me of that...

Last year Shane Golobic won an Outlaw show - proving he has the skills and the equipment to do so - but doesn't show for a majority of the races including what everyone refers to as the best track in California. He had no problem rolling through the gates last night on the way to a top 10 finish. 

Willie Croft, 2nd in points last year for the KWS, was absent all month when the Outlaws are in town but rolls the car out last night and was one of the quickest cars on the track all night. 

Other drivers in the top 10 last night with the KWS that didn't come when the best of the world were in town were Sean Becker, Jason Statler and Mason Moore.

6 of the top 10 last night at a local show at Tulare didn't show up when the World of Outlaws were in Tulare. This simply will never happen in Central PA, Ohio and Knoxville. 

And after looking at results and statistics like that, it's no wonder the travelers took 5 of the 6 shows in California. Not counting Perris, because you would be stupid to pass up a televised race in your backyard to go down to one of the worst winged tracks in the country...

I'm sure the first responses will be - well we have Paul McMahan, Brad Sweet and Tim Kaeding who were raised in California out on the tour running well and Kyle Larson who's the driver of the decade. How many people does PA, OH and IA have doing that. And no one, no one can argue that point and you have the right to be proud of that, but I'm talking about the local racing. Because in reality, everyone on the country can watch Paul, Brad, TK and Kyle just as much if not not more than you fellas. But not everyone can see the local talent that their respective region has on a regular basis, so for some of the top guns in the region to not show up is disappointing and quite frankly a little embarassing for everyone that is saying that California has the best local racing. 

Shoutout to Dominic Scelzi, DJ Netto, Bud Kaeding and Kyle Hirst for their perfect attendance during the WoO NorCal swing. Rico as well as he missed the last show to go dominate in Kokomo...guy is insane. 

Looking forward to debating this topic with everyone. Stay safe and support your local tracks.

Lots of excuses from from Cali. people in this thread. The locals sat on the porch rather than run with the Outlaws. Make excuses, act belligerent, peddle some BS. But the facts don't lie. Given the chance to run with the Outlaws, the Cali drivers chose to hide.

what does going or not to a show in central PA have to do with understanding why the actions of posse fans get no respect?

there are plenty of reasons why some KWS cars didn't represent at the woo show and they were explained. just because you choose to ignore them doesn't make them any less valid. also you ignore the fact cali cars left town to support the woo out of state.

you are the one making determinations about the racing in another area of the country without a full understanding or appreciation of the facts.

if you make a shit disturber post with a shit disturber title slamming another region for supporting their local series then don't be surprised at the reponses you get.

Get a life. You make a shit stirring post like this then you better damn well bet on getting people fired up. You're a disgrace of a fan if you really believe this drivel you posted. You're from California originally and yet you act like this? Pathetic.

You want to be proud of the racing you have in PA then go right ahead but to do it at the expense of another region is just plain stupid. Personally I love CA racing because you actually get to watch elbows up bullring action. The big frieght train snoozer tracks are not for me so you can have em. The facts are the best racers coming through the ranks are doing it by way of an education on bullring racetracks not the big half miles.

How does this have to do with me getting a life? I am passionate about sprint car racing and I'm actively debating and hearing opinions about this. I'm not surprised at all about people getting fired up but if every post on this board was advertisements with no controversy no one would check it. 

People are proud of California racing all the time at the expense of the PA racing. Your buddy buzz makes assumptions about the entire PA racing fan base without stepping foot out of California. 

And I validated that California has produced some of the best drivers in the world both on the WoO tour and in the higher ranks. But that doesn't change what this post is about. I'm talking about the local racing in Northern California currently. 

If the Outlaws came to Central PA and won 5 of the 6 shows, there would be 15 threads about how terrible the Posse is. Just like the threads that say the Posse never leaves the porch. And the Posse boys have solid "excuses" as well, yet they aren't excused however when the California locals don't even show up to a majority of the races against the best of the world - there was nothing being said. 

I presented facts. People gave me reasons why said locals didn't show up - some extremely valid - but those reasons don't change the facts. 

But those reasons are also facts and keep in mind the biggest fact is called MONEY.  The fact that there was a the opening triple crown race 350+ miles north from Tulare the next night is what some teams had scheduled over the WoO race, it just means more to them. Facts are, owners have $$$ to consider, on a Friday night race, they have their crews times to consider, as most have regular jobs/school, and their equiopment to consider. One fact they dont have to consider often is their egos. Owners are business men first, at least the better owners are, and will race their cars where it aligns with their big picture goals best.  A guy like Shane Golobic has never gone to Tulare against the WoO, and had only raced KOW at Tulare one time previously. This year, he is running for the Tripple Crown, so he showed up there on Sat night. Croft ran Tulare last year in the 3C car, a very well funded operation, that Jonathan Allard is driving this year. Otherwise, I dont believe he has ever run with WoO there before that. Statler normally runs all outlaws shows in Ca. I can speculate his car was not ready for tulare, as he was at Stockton the week after, as was Golobic. Both Golobic's and Croft's teams are not huge funded teams, so picking and choosing their schedule is very strategic, one that stretches the dollar as far as it can go. Austin Wheatley chose to pass up going to the PAS show and ran KWS, making better financial sense for his team, since they were in Hanford the night before. Also, just about the same locals that showed up this year to tulare also showed up last year, and those are the drivers that are more located near that track already. There were still 10 of 31 cars at Friday night Tulare that are local Nor Car teams, which is about what they had their last year. Those are also the facts. 

Finally, a poster that doesn't attack what I said and actually provides a logical response. I was not aware of the Triple Crown series this year - that's great for the local teams. As a race fan - interested in seeing how local teams fare against the travelers - it was dissapointing to know of all the talent in the state and not see them in the pits. In a perfect world, the Triple Crown series puts the WoO shows in the mix next year so the rest of the country can see how talented the likes of Tarlton, Golobic, Moore, etc. are. 

Then go ahead and change the idiotic title of this thread unless your really just trying to troll. Don't know anybody leaving Cali to move to PA to watch sprint car racing. Having attended a couple of PA races I see very little difference in fan support and enjoyment between the regions except for bigger tracks with less passing In PA. 

DH, yikes I doubt you thought you were gonna get beat up with this but.....

The CA drivers win all over the State where for the most part (until Lincoln the last 2 years) the Posse only wins at the Grove and occasionally at Lernerville where for the most part they don't really show up other than the big dogs.  Double D has beaten the Outlaws the last two years but has mostly been brutal with them the rest of the time hasn't he (I don't pay much attention anymore).  Prior to that the Outlaws had really dominated that place going back decades....

Over the years CA has produced guys who can beat the Outlaws on the road,  PA has not done much of that, of course they haven't ventured far either....

It should be a lot easier beating the Outlaws at the Grove these days without Myers and Dollansky and yes I know Jason has been gone a while now.  Sammy and Steve are a step back it would appear and they have a ton of wins between them back in the good ol' days, could be a good year for your locals.....

Enjoy, hope to find you at the Nat's this year if you head back, all the best, Take It Easy.....