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December 11, 2012 at
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All these people you name have had him and I hear them knocking down his door to put him back in their car its such a thunderous roar,you may need ear plugs.Like it was said previously this may or may not have anything to do with his ability to drive,a lot goes into a team and some people just don't fit and it takes awhile for others to see it.Some never do. I can't get over people trying to get certain people a ride,not necessarily Leppo,let drivers and car owners do their own searching and signing,its that time of year, all the also rans, have these "talent" scouts out trying to sell their boy.Don't ever think these owners don't talk among themselves out of earshot of us "talent scouts".Many owners talk several times a week and are not all the enemies people think they are.I'm sure they have wrung the oil out of this subject may times.
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: LatshPA on December 11 2012 at 11:40:39 AM
Now you are wrong. When Brian ran full time at either Lincoln or Williams Grove he was always hovering in the top 5 in points, (won the williams grove diamond series points a few years ago) which sure as hell doesn't put you at the front in a handicap show. He DOES take advantage of the time trial shows where you start up front based on your performance throughout the night before the feature. His weakness is back in traffic for sure and I don't think his head is always on straight when the car isn't right, but in those cases he doesn't tear up cars like a lot of other guys do in that situation. As for your watchful eye in the pits, well who gives a shit? You don't have a seat to offer, and the people that do,
the Stewarts, Swopes, Heffners, Zemaitis's, Clemens, and Keens of the world,
clearly disagree with your viewpoint.
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How do you know I don't have a seat to offer!!! My point being on this thread is this!! Leppo is no different than 90 % of the drivers out on the track. The top 10% are always finishing up front, or on the way to the front. If leppo had to start 15th or better every night, he would not finish in the top 10!!
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December 11, 2012 at
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Hambone is a complete, clueless moron, and that is at the very best.
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: TNT41 on December 11 2012 at 10:18:40 AM
Per his website... he made 35 starts with only two victories.
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Yea, in a car that...Shaffer, Walker, and Pittman ALL did poorly in (Keen 17). His other car is a ride at Lincoln that every driver has done poorly in.
He had two good rides, Zemco and 51, both of which he did well in. Hambone and anyone who agrees with him are putting their cluelessness on display.
Beyond this, since when is 2 wins out of 35 bad, and it's even more impressive when he was in cars that no one has ever been able to find success in. Go back to your hole Hambone, you are a moron.
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December 11, 2012 at
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No one has said Leppo is a bad driver,just like the other 24 starters in features to day, anyone can win, the competition is that good most nights,but as much as I loved the 17 car and Jesse putting a first rate car out there its performance 90% of the time was way below the monetary effort that was put into that car,it was surprising, but I still salute Jesse and his team for trying.
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: Bet n Housen on December 11 2012 at 02:15:53 PM
No one has said Leppo is a bad driver,just like the other 24 starters in features to day, anyone can win, the competition is that good most nights,but as much as I loved the 17 car and Jesse putting a first rate car out there its performance 90% of the time was way below the monetary effort that was put into that car,it was surprising, but I still salute Jesse and his team for trying.
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I don't think anyone was, I know I wasn't ripping the owner, but no one can deny that the car never seemed to achieve anything no matter who drove it. Same with the Dietz car. There *has* to be a reason for it though.
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: Hambone28 on December 11 2012 at 01:25:32 PM
How do you know I don't have a seat to offer!!! My point being on this thread is this!! Leppo is no different than 90 % of the drivers out on the track. The top 10% are always finishing up front, or on the way to the front. If leppo had to start 15th or better every night, he would not finish in the top 10!!
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I would say your wrong, but I'm not going to call you a moron for your opinion.
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December 11, 2012 at
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December 11, 2012 at
05:27:19 PM by SLINK51
mwilaski why is it everytime someone has a dif. opinion they are a moron? First there was One driver who had the 14 in the top 5 almost every week before getting ousted for Leppo. That would be Kevin Nouse. Lets not forget the car was also the #43 when Doug Dodson drove it and also had many good runs in it.
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December 11, 2012 at
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We will see how well that dietz car runs this year with new driver Gerard McIntyre Jr. He seems to run better in other people's equipment.
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December 11, 2012 at
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Leppo came closer than Rahmer did in his what 3 races in the 51 compared to Rahmers 3/4 of a season this year?? Yes Leppo does have his on and off nights every driver does. But I do applaud hm for pulling off the track when things are not going right as apposed to the other idiots tearing up equipment that usually most teams are low on. Whatever ride Leppo lands, if he does, will have a great sponsorship in Swopes coming with him. Wins and top 5's do not mean anything to a drivers ability. Are we gonna say Pittman is not a great driver because he barely won this year? or had top 5's? As stated Gerard is a damn good driver in the 85, but when he got in his family owned car, could barely wheel the thing.
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December 11, 2012 at
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If we are going to compare here...Rahmer had two wins in 80 starts. Thats over double what Leppo competed in and way more track time to get comfortable as well.
And those two wins came in a car that every other driver that got in it afterwards and said its the fastest seat they ever sat in. Just sayin
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: bmd5229 on December 11 2012 at 07:14:47 PM
Leppo came closer than Rahmer did in his what 3 races in the 51 compared to Rahmers 3/4 of a season this year?? Yes Leppo does have his on and off nights every driver does. But I do applaud hm for pulling off the track when things are not going right as apposed to the other idiots tearing up equipment that usually most teams are low on. Whatever ride Leppo lands, if he does, will have a great sponsorship in Swopes coming with him. Wins and top 5's do not mean anything to a drivers ability. Are we gonna say Pittman is not a great driver because he barely won this year? or had top 5's? As stated Gerard is a damn good driver in the 85, but when he got in his family owned car, could barely wheel the thing.
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Wouldn't you drive a little safer when you're footing the bill? He's won in his 16 but showed less aggressive driving when he's paying for it.
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December 11, 2012 at
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maybe lasoski could bring more to zemco's table than any of the other choices. and maybe he wasnt the first choice right off jump street........ as far as leppo....he showed that given good equipment and a crew that can give him a car that is nice for him, he can get the job done. up till i saw his performance at the open, i wasnt too impressed but he did a very good job....worked donny over a few times........ kinda makes you wonder why rahmer and jackson didnt "click" when you have a crew that can take 2 drivers and put them both out on the track and make them look that good.......or was there some "behind the scenes" shit going on?
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: chekered on December 11 2012 at 07:38:02 PM
If we are going to compare here...Rahmer had two wins in 80 starts. Thats over double what Leppo competed in and way more track time to get comfortable as well.
And those two wins came in a car that every other driver that got in it afterwards and said its the fastest seat they ever sat in. Just sayin
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Thats my point. Leppo was in the car for 3 races as opposed to 80, and still only fell a couple positions short everytime and set fast time one night. Where did Rahmer finish at the Natty Open?? oh yeah didnt make it. Not saying Rahmers a bad driver but people need to start giving Leppo credit. And yes I would drive safer, thats what I was making in my point. When Leppo was in the family 71 he drove like hell, yeah he did have bad nights where he pulled off but everyone does that. Let everyone bash me and let everyone say Leppo is a bad driver and dont deserve a ride but he also had 18 top 10s in his 35 starts, so over 50 percent of his races finished in the top 10. Anytime you can finish in the top 10 against the field of cars he goes against in mediocre equipment, your a fairly decent driver to me
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: bmd5229 on December 11 2012 at 08:09:32 PM
Thats my point. Leppo was in the car for 3 races as opposed to 80, and still only fell a couple positions short everytime and set fast time one night. Where did Rahmer finish at the Natty Open?? oh yeah didnt make it. Not saying Rahmers a bad driver but people need to start giving Leppo credit. And yes I would drive safer, thats what I was making in my point. When Leppo was in the family 71 he drove like hell, yeah he did have bad nights where he pulled off but everyone does that. Let everyone bash me and let everyone say Leppo is a bad driver and dont deserve a ride but he also had 18 top 10s in his 35 starts, so over 50 percent of his races finished in the top 10. Anytime you can finish in the top 10 against the field of cars he goes against in mediocre equipment, your a fairly decent driver to me
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Never mind that Brian has had some of the worst luck in Floyd's 71. There's was something going sour on that car beyond his control so many times.
But then I saw nights at Lincoln where he'd start 9th and be up in the front of the field and check out.
I saw a year where He, Fred, and Doug Esh were the only multi-time winners at WG.
His main weakness, and even I, with a 71 in my username, can admit it, is that when he starts going backwards early in a race, he doesn't really know how to recover, but then even he showed he could do that in his one night in the Zemco car when he outduelled Monteith.
The only knock against "Brian would be great in a good car" was the weekend that he got to drive the Heffner car, and couldn't get anything done in it.
I'd love to see him get a real shot at the 27, with being able to bring some of his own input into the team, but it's sounding like Heffner's not going to run the car, and lend the engines to Stevie instead.
I wanted to see Leppo in the 1z, I still remember Stevie shilling his ass off for Brian the night after that All-Star race.
It just wasn't enough.
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: bmd5229 on December 11 2012 at 08:09:32 PM
Thats my point. Leppo was in the car for 3 races as opposed to 80, and still only fell a couple positions short everytime and set fast time one night. Where did Rahmer finish at the Natty Open?? oh yeah didnt make it. Not saying Rahmers a bad driver but people need to start giving Leppo credit. And yes I would drive safer, thats what I was making in my point. When Leppo was in the family 71 he drove like hell, yeah he did have bad nights where he pulled off but everyone does that. Let everyone bash me and let everyone say Leppo is a bad driver and dont deserve a ride but he also had 18 top 10s in his 35 starts, so over 50 percent of his races finished in the top 10. Anytime you can finish in the top 10 against the field of cars he goes against in mediocre equipment, your a fairly decent driver to me
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If you are going to compare Rahmer's finishes in the 51 to Leppo's finishes in the 51, do so, but do so fairly. Rahmer had alot of top five finishes in that car all year!!!! I would bet Rahmer has a higher avg. finish in the 51!!
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: Hambone28 on December 11 2012 at 08:56:37 PM
If you are going to compare Rahmer's finishes in the 51 to Leppo's finishes in the 51, do so, but do so fairly. Rahmer had alot of top five finishes in that car all year!!!! I would bet Rahmer has a higher avg. finish in the 51!!
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In 80 starts Rahmer had 2 wins 28 top 5's and 48 top 10 finishes.
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December 11, 2012 at
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December 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: SLINK51 on December 11 2012 at 05:26:22 PM
mwilaski why is it everytime someone has a dif. opinion they are a moron? First there was One driver who had the 14 in the top 5 almost every week before getting ousted for Leppo. That would be Kevin Nouse. Lets not forget the car was also the #43 when Doug Dodson drove it and also had many good runs in it.
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A very limited sample of races you are basing that off of, and one where the field was the same top 10 roughly on many occasions at Lincoln. He didn't win and don't believe he ever competed for a win. Marks didn't either, Dodson won, several years ago, and not in his last few in the car as far as I know. Your argument holds no weight, even the 17 could put a top 5 run together.
If Leppo is not in the top 5/6 in PA (Hodnett, Dewease, Rahmer, Montieth, Dietrich, Pittman), he is definitely in the top 10 (Leppo, Marks, Layton, Krimes). Maybe Haas, Esh and Buckwalter are in that top 10 group. But the point is that Leppo is definitely, without a doubt, a top 10 PA driver, and he has the ability to be top 5 if he got a full season in a great car.
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December 12, 2012 at
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Again I don't believe anyone thinks Brian can't drive a racecar,like everyone and I mean everyone,they all have a bad night or bad race,some more frequently than others,all beside that point. In looking at what Fred did in 80 starts 2 wins ,28 top fives and 48 top tens, look at it this way too,you are the owner of that car, how many different chassis were used and how many engines were used and rears to just get to this point,I remember seeing a line of chassis in a picture from Freds shop , thats how I judge who really does what with the least amount of parts,say it right, money used,to get to that point,every damn car out there has some expenses and brother I mean expenses,wow,if some people just knew,so its not the win and lose column thats the big picture to owners its how they did it without sacrificing safety and money to get there. This what cost a lot of drivers over the years rides,even though they won tons of races. I just want Brian to get a good ride and prove all the nay sayers wrong it depends upon who the car owner is but it will happen it will take time for this person to step up. Oh yes, it isn't always the racecar costs that is high some of the maintenance and insurance on some of these towing rigs is, oh brother,enormous also.Deep pockets are definitely needed.Oh for the days of the pick-up and open trailer.
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December 12, 2012 at
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lets look at it this way.....it seems to me that leppo AND rahmer need EXCELLENT crew chiefs to give them cars they are comfortable in. it seems to me that fred has not had that since timmy and brian has not ever had a consistant wrench that can make the right calls, night after night. rahmer didnt forget how to drive and brian has shown he can win with the right guys setting up the car. i dont care how many cars are lined up in the shop, or how many motors are on the floor or how big the trailer is. it all comes down to all the members on the team doing their job and "jelling" and the ONE car that rolls out onto the track being set up so the driver can do the best job possible.......and rahmer didnt jell with jackson....leppo apparently did and so did paulie mc......same cars and motors as rahmer had.......does that make rahmer a shitty racer? and no....he didnt make the show at the open....cause he left half the bottom of his motor out on the track.....was that cause he cant drive anymore? i dont think so.
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