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I agree. I have probably put the same amount of money into my motors in the past 3 years, that it would take to by a crate. I know that may be why I run in the middle of the pack instead of up front but I am like you and don't have that kind-of money to put into one motor for the whole year when that is usually all that I have for the whole year. It is just going to be hard for them to go back to what they started with in the cast pistons and stock rods, crank, etc.. because of the fact that it has got so out of hand. Maybe they should just leave the rules the way that they are or step back one year.

Once again I agree.

The crate motor idea is a little bit late I think. You've got alot of local engine builders that have been researching and building these motors and stock piling parts for them, and your gonna cut them outa the loop in favor of a chevy built motor? I don't think its fair to do that to them now. If ur talking about chevy kicking back money from the engine purchases, I highly doubt they would do that very willingly and if so not that high of a percent. Maybe like 1-2%. Unless this is already done, then I would have to retract my comment and say good job to whoever got it done. I like the holly carb rule though. Make the whole class run the same carb.

#85 Limited Mod!! THAT JUST HAPPENED!!!

car counts are decreasing at all race tracks in all divisions. sanctoining bodies --promoters and racers are all scratching there heads trying to figure out how to keep the merry go round spinning. the biggest cost to a racer is his motor and what he spends weekly getting to and from the race track. there not a whole lot you can do about the weekly expense but the crate motor is a pretty good option at 3250$ as far as motor expense goes. the way imca wrote the rule of crates bieng chipped at 6200 rpm the guy like sportmod75 should be able to run his homegrown motor against the crates and be fine. the biggest problem i see with the crate deal in oklahoma is you are going to be limited as to where you can race it. but i GAURANTEE you within two years they will be legal at all tracks that run sportmods. NCRA will figure out they will have a hard time getting promoters to book a sportmod race anywhere south of okc because just about all the tracks intexas or close to the texas line are going to allow the crate. but im sure the people in charge of ncra are looking at the whole situation and will try to work it out to where it is best for all involved.

I wish they would have left the rules alone two years ago and not allowed the aftermarket crap in the motors. Stock 350 parts only. But they had to go ahead and open the motor rules up then. I think the crate motor is a good option and should be allowed to run, with the chip, against all the other motors. jmo.

#85 Limited Mod!! THAT JUST HAPPENED!!!

I personally think the create motor is a great thing. Like the rule states a create motor cannot be claimed BUT a machine shop motor can be. I think that is good as long as the create motor has not any of the seals CHANGED or REPLACED now I know that you have to break the seal sometimes for something that go wrong BUT it must be replaced BY a CREAT MOTOR DEALER and they will have to show proof of why it was changed. That’s the only way i see this is going to be a good thing BUT I like it for the cost.

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I have no dog in the fight regarding the sport mods however I have seen this very thing with the focus midgets. Everyone thought that this little motor would save the midget world. But, instead the same people that built the focus motors, which are sealed motors, are building the eco tech motors now.

You can have the worlds best idea on how to save the racer money but it all comes down to teching the motors and cars.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

In my opinion in order to save racing in Tulsa and OKC we need a top notch racing facility like Outlaw in each as close to the cities as possible each seating 8,000 people and big time promoter's to go with who are willing to invest the kinda money needed to make these tracks work. I think if the guy who built Outlaw was wise enough at the time he would have built the track in between Muskogee and Tulsa but I guess at the time he built it Tulsa Speedway was still running and no one knew it would be closing down.

If I had the funding available to build it I would go straight to the city council and ask them where they wanted me to put it because they could probably throw in some land and give me a prime spot as close to the cities as possible. I think the new facility would reinvigerate the racing scenes in both cities and just like the BOK and the Ford Center we would pack the house like it was in the 50's thru the 80's.

I think the crate engine should be an option with x amount of time to phase out all other engines or they need to make it a "stock" class. These are so called economy cars but the let them get out of control, if they are economy then keep them that way and quit changing rules. You are afraid to build a car in the winter because as soon as you get done they change they rules a month before race season and then your stuck spending more money because you are not legal now. I think the next year rules should be engraved a few weeks after the season is over. I agree with 48mini that we need a state of the art race track, maybe get lucas oil and some nascar cup drivers involved and build a track or tracks that Oklahoma can be proud of. Maybe even get some televised events.

They should chip them all at 6200rpm open ones two.

What rpm are most sport mods running. I was thinking most ran around 7000-7200, have not run my car yet so i really do not know.

This is good stuff and reading, especially those of us still learning. Keep it up guys!

David Smith Jr.
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USRA rules (owned by USMTS headman Todd Staley) has their 2011 rules out and the official press release is located here http://www.oklahomatidbits.com/pressrelease.cfm.. It talks about a crate motor option for the modifieds and a chip.

Read and see what your thoughts are. Would you run a weekly track under these rules? I may have a vested interested is all I am going to say.

Thanks!

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

winners dont cry when they lose , they go back to the 
drawing board and come back for round 2 !

Only if you promise not to do a Joey Chitwood like show.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

The chips that MSD provides with the boxes are very incosistent!! They do more damage than good.

The only way to do it correctly is to have MSD build an ignition box with a desired rpm limit built into it and have it sealed. Then your next problem is getting the tracks to buy "X" amount of ignition boxes and distribute them to the racers each week.

This is the only way it will work