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Which car was Pylant driving?

Pylant in the 09. GSC has never had a good count at Santa Maria in the 10 years I've been going there. Don't know what their problem is, but a lot of folks didn't care much for BK flapping his trap about a crappy track and at least maybe they could have some fun with the wheelie contest. Maybe if he and his buddies worked more at getting a good car count we'd all have a little more fun.

Walker was untouchable.

MAN, It really sucks to hear that. 14 cars? WOW! I know the economy sucks, but that's kinda weak. Probably won't do much to generate interest from the locals. Bummer. Sounds like it was a little disappointing Not so in P-ville. 32 cars with shoes like Ronnie Day, Jason Statler, Bobby McMahan, Greg DeCaires, Roger Crockett, Becker, Hirst, Trulli, and Aussie Trevor Green, just to name a few, all gunning for 5,000 to win. Great racing with top six being Becker, Hirst, McMahan, DeCaires, Crockett, and Statler. I sure hope that the GSC and Santa Maria can be successful in the future......... Anyways, way to go Tyler! At least there's a hell of a points battle going on for the GSC crown!

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It was a real nice night and, as said, the place was packed. A message to to those promoters who feel PROMOTION is not part of their job description or responsibility you need to take a page from Chris Kerns playbook. Like John Prentice at Watsonville, Kerns has created a great atmosphere and needs to be acknowledged. I believe the car count had a lot more to do with the competing ($5K to win) race at P-ville than the fact it was Santa Maria.......the car count will be better next time. Last night was a building block in my view and hopefully the plan will be to add SM to the GSC "rotation" going forward.

glad you had a good crowd on hand. SMS has usually turned out for winged cars. if BK would have won he wouldn't have had anything bad to say about the track so don't give it much thought. a hooked up track is better than a slick track. GSC car counts have been down everywhere, and with a big 360 show running pretty local to most and SMS being.... well a 200+ mile tow for some, you get the picture. i don't know who scheduled against who, but the GSC for the most part never seems to worry about that. after all they're the great GSC series that shut down NARC so why bother worrying about anyone else, right? 360's have been adding car counts to both the GSC and fri chico shows, but why would they drive a 400 mile or so round trip to race against the 410's with a big 360 race in their back yard? even with the $500 to start. also teams like statler who had 360's put them in and ran local rather than pay travel costs. still that's not your fault. the main thing is that people come away with a feeling that they were treated well, and saw a good race even with fewer cars. a person can't watch every car at once! so if you have a race with good battles for position, that get a persons attention, they really forget how many cars there are!

You can't blame local drivers for not hauling 9+ hours to run a $5k to win show. Since GSC runs every weekend if it wasn't the SMS show it would have been another even if it was local.

Unfortunately it's a sign of the times, many of the smaller teams that run GSC like the Statlers, just don't have the money now to tow all the way down to SMS with a competing show of $5k to win.

To the point among cooperation among promoters...I believe thats what the workshop is for. I'm sure Pville knew when they were running the Forni and it's about the same time every year. All SMS had to do when booking the GSC date was to find out if there were any conflicting big draw shows up north. It's much like when there aren't many shows run in Norcal when they are running the Dirt Cup...

The dwindling car counts among the GSC ranks is something they need to address in the offseason. But more and more cars are running 360s as opposed to 410s. Maybe the promoters of the GSC series will be able to find a way to get more cars to run GSC.

if i am correct, SMS got the date GSC gave them, i don't think tracks have that much of a choice over dates for civil war or GSC just as woo controls who gets what and when in their series. and since the same promotors run pville and GSC, they knew the dates clashed. you think Handy (jpm) wanted to put on a GSC show in the same area the same night as another big competing show of theirs and split the fans? i don't fault their idea, it just limited the SMS race to the die hard 410 cars or the money cars.

If I'm not mistaken the way the workshop goes for the series is that they have open dates that are not already accounted for. They meet with different tracks and those tracks select the dates they would like out of what is left available.

Your point that running a competing show in Norcal, for a big show at one of their own tracks is, based on no grounds. They do it every other weekend when GSC runs in Norcal and they still run their weekly shows and Civil War Shows on the same days and weekends.

It made the SMS race the people who were running for the Point championship or the Rookie of the year. Tracks also need a support base of their own cars to run with/against the GSC boys. In a venture like that think of it as a WoO show....They only bring about 12 cars but the rest of the field is made out of locals.

Need to build that local support for 410 winged sprinters

Not only was it the Placerville show, there was also another show in Chowchilla, which hosted 360 wing and non-wing. It all just happen to come together the same weekend with 3 shows I hope no one see's a downfall to a low car count at SMS just know that the future will be better. With a crowd like that I don't see why they would'nt come back. T-Dub was haulin' and that alone was fun to watch. So i hope next year can be even better and maybe even a couple shows next year!! P.S Chris Kearns your doing a great job keep doing what your doing bud!!

workshop smirkshop, GSC and civil war pretty much give you the dates they want. if they happen to fall on the dates you want with no conflicts to them then ok. also they don't run a 5k to win show every week competing against the GSC. stop and think about it. pville and SDS are jpm tracks, GSC and civil war are jpm series. i said why would they want to pull fans away from a big race at one of their own tracks (pville) when they could go run out of the area. look at the schedules and figure it out for yourself. they try not to schedule races at one of their tracks or races in one of their series that would take away from them somewhere else. you can't blame them for it and i don't think i did. i was giving my answer as to why the SMS race was run against the 5k race. since chico is the only 410 track running in cali, it is hard to build a 410 car base. as mentioned, even then that field is filled by 360's.

So how many drivers realistically were at Pville that would have run SMS if it were a normal point night?

Maybe 3 MAX.

Statler. And although this season Statler has been running most of the GSC races I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have made the haul all the way down to SMS for financial reasons.

Hirst, maybe, but even he seems to rather run 360 shows than the 410 shows. Shown by him running Civil War when there were chances to run GSC instead.

Gregg would be a maybe also because he was not running his normal ride last night at Pville and I'm not sure they would have made the haul either.

I don't think they really gained that many cars for their $5k to win show from the GSC ranks. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't because they were afraid of having a GSC race up north to compete against it.

Like I said before it would be 410s vs 360s. Unfortunately now there are more 360s everywhere than 410s. And many drivers/owners would rather compete the 360 shows because they feel their cars are on more of a level playing field. Not many can compete among 410s night in and night out. The 360 series from Civil War or GLR are much closer in competition from top to bottom than GSC.

And to the point about the fans...there werent that many more fans at the Pville show than a normal point show night. Just more cars.

my thought is about who would have run the GSC show and how would it have split the fans if they were BOTH in the same area, not who would have gone to SMS. we know with the way things are that some teams are not going to travel. i am saying that is my opinion as to why the GSC race was scheduled at SMS against against pville. because it didn't split the fans AND jpm doesn't care how many cars went in the back gate at SMS or how many are in the stands as they do pville. understand? did SMS specifically ASK for this date or was it the date jpm said they had available? jpm gets a sanction fee from SMS, they don't get back gate money or front gate money. they do at pville. why would they want to split the cars AND the fans when they are paying a LARGER purse than normal at pville? don't you think they would want to draw as many cars and fans as they could to pville? again i am not faulting jpm, just giving my opinion about why this GSC race was scheduled against pville. yes it could have been run anywhere, as GSC runs most every week, but if you could move it from the area where you were running another high paying race, at your own track, so they wouldn't compete with each other, wouldn't that make sence?

Don't you think jpm wants GSC to succeed? It is their series. Their sanctioning fees are not astronomical if I remember correctly and mainly to maintain the points fund.

We are just outsiders looking in, but I still don't see jpm trying to rid the area of GSC on a weekend they are having a $5k to win night. Whats going to happen when they have the Al Hinds or the Brownell. They still run GSC at tracks like Petaluma or Watsonville.

According to MapQuest, it is roughly (very) fifty miles further to Santa Maria than Placerville for the Statler team. I doubt that distance was the deciding factor for Jason as to where to run on Saturday.

Any input Pops???