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I always thought it was stupid to ask permission to be able to race.   That is what you had to do until last year.

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Then name one?

The Woo always made there drivers ask if they could race a non sanctioned race, and yes they could deny them to be able to race.  If I remember it also had to be at a track they were going to visit or did visit during the year.   That stank/stinks as bad as the 4 race deal.

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Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

The "outrage" over the 4 race deal is way overblown and really a nothing burger.  Not all the Outlaws even used their 4 freebies.  Gravel came out and said the only other race he would have run if he had more than 4 was the Tusky finale and that was only possible due to the rainout/reschedule.

In 2023. Dietrich and Kofoid were the only ones who ran more than the "restricted" Brock Zearfoss.  Of the 11 guys who ran 80 or more times in a 410 last year, 8 were WoO Platinum members.  Nothing burger. 

So that could have taken an additional 60 grand away from him.  WRG is Wrong with the 4 race deal.

You would see  more outlaws at the 20 grand to win shows midweek.  

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Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

uh, that would be your issue, not there's...what is a "long road trip to you" ?

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

Any WoO platinum member could run any race they wanted. What they couldn't do, was continue to get town money because they had signed a contract that said they'd get the tow money if they agreed to the WoO terms. Didn't Jason Sides try to contest the legality of that contract?

But you can't give an example right? That's what I thought.

Oh I'm well aware of the terms. But they all signed and nobody really complained.

Then why didn't they run last year? As stated Gravel only used one if it was such a big deal shouldn't they all have maxed out their 4 allowed non Woo races? What gives?

Just ask any Woo member they will tell you.  WRG always had to give permission for them to race a non sanctioned race.

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Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Stupidest rule ever!  

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

He raced 4 non outlaw shows he was out of freebies.  You should get your facts before posting 

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Jason Sides.

One series is announcing huge money, and a vison for the future. The other is announcing Bill Rose as a huge announcement. Lmao. It is time for change! 

Jason Sides and Lil Haud have both asked and been denied.  Sides sued WRG over it because they denied him and let someone else race outside of WRG ( I don't remember the details why) and pulled his tow and point money.  I believe the lawsuit said he lost something like 70 grand.  I don't know exactly how that ended though.

yeah because a race that pays $250,000 to win isn't "huge" money... and another aspect you overlook in this whole highlimit ordeal is that they literally need to go out and create a buzz and announce their vision to the fans, drivers, and whoever else. If they fail to create interest then their series fails as a whole. Whereas the Outlaws have a built in base audience and can announce following drivers and big races. They don't need to worry about initial failure like Highlimit does.

I remember the Sides deal was a little while ago forgot about Lil Hauds deal with I think was Wayne county? Ironic how both teams are signed up again.

I just signed up on the message board today. Long time follower, 1st time caller. I have been reading the message board about High Limit vs. WoO. As a latemodel fan ( I also enjoy sprint cars) I have been blessed with 2 national tours for the past 20years. Having 2 national tours has only allowed the sport to grow. We have had 8 to 10 drivers win more than or around 1 million dollars in the last 2 years. Minus Logan's eldora million win. How many sprint car drivers can say that? Gravel was easily the highest sprint car earner and he would not be in the top 5 in latemodel earnings. This was inevitable that 2nd national tour was to be created. It needed to be done. Too many good teams being left on the sideline. One single series could not sustain 20 teams. I am going to try and put a positive view and objective view on this debate.

To me the Hight Limit series is already doing what it was intended to do. It has almost doubled the amount money sprint car teams can run for by 4 to 5 million in purse money. The Outlaws increased their benefits for their teams. AFCS in Ohio has increased theie purses and benefits. I hear they destroyed the Allstars. As an outsider I can assure you the Allstars appeard to be dying. Only 2 drivers completed the entire season with them last year(Windom and Morrell) Others were replaced or injured for part of the year and missed races. Never had a clue who was going to be at an Allstar race. That is not always a good thing. If it was, I don't think Tony would have sold it. Now there is a chance for another existing series in Ohio to grow. The FAST Series. They already have the speedweek.

It appears to me the Highlimit Series has a more accomplished roster top to bottom. (12 HL to 10 WoO right now) That can't be argued. Just look at the resumes of each. However, the outlaws are not going to hurt for talent. I expect both series to add drivers to their rosters and put on great shows. Again, only good for the sports growth. I think it also important to listen to the drivers and why they joined Highlimit. Some enjoyed the chance to get time off. Some will still get to race their local tracks or other races without being penalized. The latemodels have enjoyed this luxory for 20 years. Currently the WoO sprints have 2 off weekends. Fourth of July and Weekend before world finals.

Highlimit is creating a buzz as they should be, but so are the outlaws as they should be. The outlaws have always created a buzz. I just think we have become numb to it or ignored it because it was the only one. What is going to happen if Larson and Sweet win 40 to 60% of the races? I don't know. What happened when Kinser, Swindell and Schatz were winning all the races? I do know Highlimit is here and those that don't like it, better at least accept it, because unlike the upstart series in the past, I think it is here to stay. As a latemodel fan, I am so excited for you sprint car fans. You will get to experience what we in the latemodel community have enjoyed for 20 years.

I do not care who wins as long as the racing is good. I really don't like the winner starting on the pole for heats, dashes, any mains,etc.Although there can be good racing once in awhile when the winner started on the pole. So yes I like inverts, dashes and quailifying. Passing points are interesting if the event is multiple days.

I think the IRA 410 fields may be diluted by HL and WoO attracting the drivers than ran their races.

I have been watching more midget races lately and they seem to have pretty good races often.